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29-04-2005 10:26 PM
racer
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Why? You think something bad is gonna happen?

No, your machine will not explode, simply that DOS stores information in memory buffers so that it will be available when requested by a program. The more buffers set in the config file with the buffers command, the faster DOS will be able to access the information requested. It´s just a matter of making your DOS faster and safer.

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I don't sugest you to use DOS6.22. I use 7.1 (Win98's DOS) and it is true that is full version of dos, with everything you need to run properly DOS games.
The W98 DOS is not full version, but you´re partially right. Is enough for running DOS games.
29-04-2005 07:36 PM
dr_st I have been running the setup I described for years and have no problems neither with DOS games, nor with Windows ones. But, like you said - you're free to believe.
29-04-2005 07:04 PM
Rogue You are free to believe what do you like to.

I used to mess with Win98/DOS setup, and I know how messy it becames with Win98 after you make changes like that.

I don't sugest you to use DOS6.22. I use 7.1 (Win98's DOS) and it is true that is full version of dos, with everything you need to run properly DOS games.
29-04-2005 06:37 PM
dr_st
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If you change your system like that, then you are more likely to have some problem with windows games, as windows got confused by controlling the memory.
No.

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This option is good only if you plan to use ONLY dos on that computer.
No.

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But, why to do that, when you can have all of this, plus clean windows 98 on the top?!
To avoid the mess with having extra OS. Because DOS 6 only supports FAT16 and 8GB hard disks.

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Win 98 is built on top of a customized DOS. By pressing Ctrl at startup and switching to command prompt only, you´re not in pure DOS. You´re in DOS Windows version without some of the main commands, and without memory management.
It's true that some programs that were in DOS6 aren't in Win98's DOS, but none of the major ones. Win98 comes with its own versions of HiMem and EMM386.

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A suggestion: put BUFFERS=40 in your config
Why? You think something bad is gonna happen?
29-04-2005 05:12 PM
racer
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Originally posted by dr_st@Apr 29 2005, 04:21 PM

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2) Win98 is built on top of DOS. You have the option to prevent Windows from loading at startup, and then you will have pure DOS.
Win 98 is built on top of a customized DOS. By pressing Ctrl at startup and switching to command prompt only, you´re not in pure DOS. You´re in DOS Windows version without some of the main commands, and without memory management.

A suggestion: put BUFFERS=40 in your config k:
29-04-2005 05:00 PM
Rogue If you change your system like that, then you are more likely to have some problem with windows games, as windows got confused by controlling the memory.

This option is good only if you plan to use ONLY dos on that computer.

But, why to do that, when you can have all of this, plus clean windows 98 on the top?!
29-04-2005 04:21 PM
dr_st OK, to set things straight:

1) DOS inside Win98, i.e. running COMMAND.COM from Windows is different from pure DOS. While Windows runs in the background it still controls certain resources - it's not pure DOS.

2) Win98 is built on top of DOS. You have the option to prevent Windows from loading at startup, and then you will have pure DOS.

My question to the_fifth_horseman was whether he had had any games that didn't work under Win98 PURE DOS mode. I know of no such games. Hence I don't see the reason to dual boot with an old version of DOS.

All you need it to properly set your startup files. Consider mine:

MSDOS.SYS

[Paths]
WinDir=G:\WINDOWS
WinBootDir=G:\WINDOWS
HostWinBootDrv=G

[Options]
BootMulti=1
BootGUI=0
BootMenu=0
DoubleBuffer=1
Logo=0
AutoScan=0
WinVer=4.10.2222

This way Windows doesn't load on startup (and I don't even see its logo).

CONFIG.SYS

DOS=HIGH,UMB
DEVICEHIGH=C:\DOSW\HIMEM.SYS
DEVICEHIGH=C:\DOSW\EMM386.EXE RAM I=B400-B7FF I=CA00-CBFF AUTO
BUFFERS=20
FILES=60
LASTDRIVE=Z
STACKS=9,128
BREAK=ON
SHELL=C:\COMMAND.COM /E:512 /P
DEVICEHIGH=C:\CDROM\VIDECDD.SYS /D:IDECDROM

The extra EMM switches give me EMS loads of free upper memory. The CDROM driver I use takes only 5K of RAM.

AUTOEXEC.BAT

@ECHO OFF
LH C:\DOSW\MSCDEX.EXE /D:IDECDROM /E
LH C:\DOSW\SMARTDRV.EXE /X /B:1024
LH C:\DOSW\DOSKEY.COM /INSERT
LH C:\MOUSE\CTMOUSE.EXE /R33 /3
LH C:\NAV\NAVTSR30.EXE
SET COMSPEC=C:\COMMAND.COM
SET COPYCMD=/-Y
SET DIRCMD=/P/O:GEN/A
SET PATH=C:\BATCH;C:\DOSW;G:\WINDOWS;G:\WINDOWS\COMMAN D;C:\NC5;C:\NAV;C:\XTG;C:\CDROM;C:\PV;C:\ARCHIVE;C :\MOUSE;C:\DOSUTIL;C:\SB16;C:\NETDRV
SET PROMPT=$P$G
SET TEMP=C:\TEMP
SET SOUND=C:\SB16
SET MIDI=SYNTH:1 MAP:E
SET BLASTER=A220 I5 D1 H5 P330 T6
C:\SB16\CTCME.EXE
C:\SB16\MIXERSET.EXE /P /Q
C:\DOSUTIL\FASTKEYS.COM
C:
CD\
CLS

Loads all the drivers I need, initializes everything I need, and I still end up with around 620K of free conventional memory.

Very few games have problem with the above configuration. When a certain DOS game doesn't run on that machine of mine, in 99% it's hardware-related (fast CPU - K6-475 or new video card - Voodoo 3000).
29-04-2005 04:09 PM
Rogue If you don't type exit in DOS Mode, but rebote or shut down your computer, it will boot again only to DOS mode. My gaming comp is in that mode, and I just simply turn it off by pressing the power button, instead of typing exit.

And DOS inside Win98 is no less real then one you boot with floppy boot disk.
29-04-2005 04:04 PM
The Fifth Horseman Booting from HDD has a certain speed advantage over boot floppy, though.
29-04-2005 03:56 PM
racer Personally, I prefer to boot in pure DOS. I boot with the good ol diskette to play DOS games right from the start, and use Win98 for other stuff. The two solutions are valid anyway (multiboot and shortcuts options k: ). As I´m in DOS almost all the time, I don´t use Windoze very often. Using W98SE (tweaked with Lite98) in a K5133 (my DOS games computer) isn´t a superb experience given the speed of K5 processors, so I stick with DOS. One can do ANYTHING in DOS much more faster than in Windows. My personal preference would be multiboot, but I tried Anubis shortcuts and worked very fine too.
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