<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Morrin @ Oct 22 2007, 02:02 PM) [snapback]316941[/snapback]</div>Speaking of it, I also know (and know them really good) several Roma families, hard workers, nice people, and yes, they love their children too.
Know other Romas too, worthless fathers and mothers, lazy, no-goods......

I also know people as 'us', good families, hard workers , blablabla........
Know also other people as 'us', worthless fathers and mothers, lazy, no-goods ......

(a slight sarcasm here) So if I go with you, Romas are no good, but also people as 'us' (Ã*nd fuc*ing YOU, Morrin) are no good.

Conclusion, Morrin is a no good lousy social leecher and a criminal, CAUSE I know 'some' people as the Morrin kind that are no good.

Feeling swell Morrin?

I haven't really seen any Romas do anything bad or good personally, and as anyone knows, only the bad stuff gets on the news, so I can't really say anything about them.

Yes, there are leechers and people like that, but I don't treat Romas any better or worse than other people, unless they proof themselves to be bad people.

Oh yes Dosraider, bring the old good generalization sh1t of yours.
That there are a lots of shitheads amongs us, it doesn't nullify the fact that there are A LOT of shitheads rromas.

edit: and Im stopping this conversation. Don't except replies from me

How about all Romas I've seen ever (and I've seen many) are no good criminals? I am no racist but I am yet to meet an honest Roma that won't be cocky, rude and try to provocue you for no reason at all.
True there may be honest Romad but they sure the hell are minority here.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Morrin @ Oct 22 2007, 05:40 AM) [snapback]316917[/snapback]</div>Okay, now that I can agree with. ROFL

edit - hey, how come I can't say bastard or something, but muck isn't auto-edited???

edit #2 - Nevermind LOL

People sure get uptight about race.

The only thing I've learned is that an idiot is an idiot no matter where he or she comes from.

Now, who feels like a burger? :)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE("Lulu_Jane")</div>Are you trying to imply that the thread's gone off-topic? :whistling:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tulac @ Oct 22 2007, 05:29 PM) [snapback]316957[/snapback]</div>Definitely not!

However it is true that most of them are really scrapping the bottom when it comes to interpersonal relationship.

I've worked with a few families because I was the one who got assigned to teach their children Slovene (they really didn't know enough to pass elementary school) and got to know them better, but I've already met quite a few Gypsy families before that.

The thing is, that they are mostly all from the bottom of the barrel - society wise. So you can not compare an average Gypsy with an average middle class resident of a country - they'll be at least two classes lower (be it because of prejudice against them, their own incapability to get a normal job - lack of education, skills... - or something completely different). This means you could maybe compare them with the social group of people who are between homeless bums and street thieves (because on the social ladder they really are at that position). That's why the appearance is, that they all really are thieves. But that's not because they'd be a special race, but simply because they are in that kind of a social position.

This is even more noticeable in cities, where gangs form in order to give power to certain people with similar backgrounds and so even those that wouldn't otherwise behave in such a manor now have to, to be a part of the group which offers them at least some protection (I've met some who tried to get out of such groups - only one succeeded out of about a dozen who tried).

The situation does change, however, if you look at rural areas where there is only Gypsy population, or only one Gypsy family in a normal environment. Such families get either assimilated (if they are the only family) - I even know a guy who went to the same high school with me (he was a Gypsy). His brother couldn't, because he went to work - so that his younger brother could get an education. But as I said they were the only family in town.

Again the situation is changed if there is a town of only Gypsies. They will establish their own order and will try to keep what they have achieved. True, other people rarely get close to such places, fearing the different, but there never once was a problem with settlements of only Gypsies. They actually turned into normal citizens, still middle class at the most - usually lower class, but nevertheless normal law abiding citizens with their own organizations and representatives in broader local community. And the crime rate near such settlements is lower then the national average - so NO, they don't steal.
But since they live somewhat isolated, people don't see that, don't know that, don't care or understand that... they just see those gangs that roam the cities stealing, extorting, causing trouble and don't identify them as just another hoodlum gang, but as no good Gypsies - even if they are not really any better or worse then other similar groups (like drunk football fans, skinheads, neonazis, or just plain old simple gangs of thugs).

I sense that this may not end well...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE("Lulu_Jane")</div>Wo0t!
I'm not picking up on prejudice so much as a good, old-fashioned dislike of different cultural attitudes.
And agree or disagree, I'd say that's fair enough.
I have noticed while driving through certain areas in my bentley (with the windows rolled up) that there is a good size chunk of the commoners that share the "look after your family and to buggery with the rest" attitude that seems to be the rule with gypsy people.

:whistling: