That's a first I've heard of Sunn 0)) not being called a metal band, many of the boards I have frequent say they are a metal band moreso than other bands.

Ateryu may be part of the metalcore genre but that's not part of the metal genre at all it's been practically accepted by most people on metal boards if ya look around, just like nu-metal isn't either, really annoys me when I see their albums in the metal section cause they don't belong there.

Metal does indeed owe some of it's influences from rock, but yeah they both have there crossovers with instrumentation and the such. Some aspects like dual melodies originated from metal though, that you can owe to Judas Priest, it was Iron Maiden who took it further with their albums of having a dual guitar sound, and they were one of the first well known bands to integrate 3 rhythum tracks together. But they have there similarities that's for sure, look at progressive rock and progressive metal, essentially very similar with many bands owing some of their influences to progressive rock acts like Pink Floyd, Deep Purple, Yes, and so on.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DeathDude @ Sep 3 2006, 08:08 PM) [snapback]252570[/snapback]</div>Many people cite the lack of drums/solos/general structure as enough to exclude them from the genre.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DeathDude @ Sep 3 2006, 08:08 PM) [snapback]252570[/snapback]</div>I agree to an extent, metalcore is somewhere between hardcore and metal, and it's difficult to group it in with one or the other. I think a lot of the original metalcore bands are closer to punk, but a lot of the modern bands are closer to metal (in my opinion of course).

As for the metal section thing, I take it you're talking about record stores? I can only speak for the UK, but in record stores here there's usually a 'Rock/Pop' section, and a 'Metal' section (as well as 'Urban' and 'Electronic/Dance') but that's all. This generally means loads of bands are in sections they don't really belong in. Never mind Atreyu, in the metal section you'll find bands like Blink182 and Jimmy Eat World, as well as most of the punk bands...

bla bla bla.. you want metal? then you should listen to this http://rapidshare.de/files/31859322/BEZNA_...onului.mp3.html

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Himmler @ Sep 3 2006, 11:13 PM) [snapback]252587[/snapback]</div>Pah, it won't let be download because rapidshare thinks I'm a bot...

LOL!?

anyway it's trv black metal :D

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Himmler @ Sep 3 2006, 11:31 PM) [snapback]252589[/snapback]</div>Sounds good to me ^_^

Ah, fine, your theory makes sense and i'm not in the mood to argue anymore. You win...

By the way, what the hell is stoner metal?

Yeah whoops meant in music stores. Yeah here where I live they do the same thing, rock, metal, rap/r&b, classical, so yeah bunch of bands end up in the metal section that shouldn't be there, Ateryu, Korn, System Of a down, Slipknot, heck even Steve Vai is in metal oddly enough.

Impossible to name only one: Amorphis, Nightwish, Sentenced and To/Die/For are the first ones that came to my mind.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Iowa @ Sep 4 2006, 04:02 AM) [snapback]252604[/snapback]</div>Stoner metal... I'm not good at describing genres but it's usually quite riff oriented, with low guitars, and some solos, and a quite slow pace to the music (told you my descriptions sucked...).

Some bands would be Down, Kyuss, some Black Sabbath, Orange Goblin, Electric Wizard.

EDIT: Forgot to mention one of the best known stoner bands: Queens of the Stone Age