<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Abi79 @ Jun 15 2006, 06:10 PM) [snapback]237007[/snapback]</div>Now: Norman.

Sh*t! I just tried to update Norman, but got a page error message!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Japofran @ Jun 15 2006, 01:51 PM) [snapback]236961[/snapback]</div>go for this one :bleh:

Thanks, I guess :( but alas. I only have one partition. HDD size, you know... and me being a stupid git :wallbash:

Get another HDD. That's what I do and now when my system drive malfunctions I have all my data safe on the other drive.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mighty Midget @ Jun 15 2006, 06:58 PM) [snapback]237014[/snapback]</div>Partition magic can solve your problem if you want to devide the disk without loosing any data. All you need to do is defragment it and use Parittion magic. You then set up your partitions.

As for start up. i noticed on my windows (it just started to occur) that if i leave soem files in My recent documents folder the windows (explorer) will crash next time i start up the computer.

Another thing i have is the shutdown problme same as you. only beside form all that the computer tends to reboot by itself sometimes. it is very bizzare. i thought it had something to do with overheating.

However i so far installed new fans, new power supply unit, new processor with advanced cooling... but it still does it. And the funny thing is it does that only when i turn it on. it just freezes a couple of times. and after a few resets it works ok. but if i leave it on over the night it works perfectly normal the next day. no freezing, no rebooting, no nothing...

oh and when it does reboot - it doesn't do it propperly. the BIOS is doesn't start up. there is no beep form motherboard and no numbers and RAM check.

i am still unsure if it is all software or hardware error. cause i dont' think it does this if i start it up in DOS.

Hard drives can also overheat. They don't benefit from the CPU cooling and barely at all from case cooling. And then they break down really fast.

Personally, next time I get a PC I'll be installing extensive liquid cooling system for the HDD's. Don't see any other way.

Duh i never thought of that. i have stacked in that side of the box: CD unit, DVD unit, 2 HD drives and a Floppy drive. It could well be overheating. Althought it is a bit strange that is does that only on or just after the startup.

In a way it makes sense. still if that is the case why don't the put in a thermal sensor. The CPU has one...

Well it really seems that liquid cooling is a must these days. Either that or a good AC in the room :)

They do have thermal sensors, except their readouts are not readily accessible. You need something that allows you to check SMART data - like Everest - and hey presto, temperature readout.

Also, when the electronics suffer a critical overheating that damages them, the results may not be immediately noticeable. Only later, as the damaged electronics continue to deteriorate, you begin noticing strange symptoms.

Microfractures on the drive's PCB can also lead to this kind of situation, as when the drive heats up, the metal of circuits expands a little and can "bridge" the fracture, while when cold the fracture opens the circuit. (reverse situations also happen).