<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(troop18546 @ Aug 29 2006, 03:05 PM) [snapback]251630[/snapback]</div>Yep, it's a normal deal for a key. About Andariel's Visage, it depends on it's variable stats. One with 100% enhanced defense, 25 to strength and only 8% leeched life would cost only a Pul rune. One with 150% enhanced defense, 30 to strength and 10% leeched life could cost an Ist rune. In any case, at least you should be able to get an Um for both Harle and Andy, or if it's a good Andy, even Ist + Pul for both, depending on what "customer" you'll find.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Scatty @ Aug 29 2006, 04:11 PM) [snapback]251632[/snapback]</div>Yep, it's a normal deal for a key. About Andariel's Visage, it depends on it's variable stats. One with 100% enhanced defense, 25 to strength and only 8% leeched life would cost only a Pul rune. One with 150% enhanced defense, 30 to strength and 10% leeched life could cost an Ist rune. In any case, at least you should be able to get an Um for both Harle and Andy, or if it's a good Andy, even Ist + Pul for both, depending on what "customer" you'll find.
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Actually, the guy has both, but had to leave to work. I think I may take both of them, but I could only use one at a time. Which could be better for a necromancer? I need resists (Andy's), mana and health (Harle), mf (Harle), skillpts (both) and strength (Andy's). Hmm, Andy's I couldn't get very cheap tho, but I'll try to grab either of them, the skillpts do give me the best boost. :)
BTW, answer my previous question about my Bone Spear's low damage, I got skillpts to boot, why is it so weak??? :wallbash:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(troop18546 @ Aug 29 2006, 04:14 PM) [snapback]251659[/snapback]</div>Did you max out Bone Wall, Teeth and Bone Spirit as the synergies for Bone Spear? If you want a good damage in Bone Spear you'll have to skill at least those three synergies, and spend the rest of the points into Bone Prison as the fourth synergy along the coming levels. If you didn't skill it like that, and don't have many items that give +to all skills, and no skillers, your damage won't be that high.
Can't expect a Nec who tries both bone skills, some summoning skills, and melee attacking to be even close as strong as a pure p/b nec (won't get me on that anymore, Piggy). For a good start, you would be well advised to give up your attempt of a melee necro and get a White runeword in a wand. That will give you already a large bonus in damage to Bone Spear. And maybe you'll need to start a new nec and skill him more correctly, if you want really good Bone Spear / Bone Spirit damage. Bone Spear is stronger on long term, though, with all the synergies for it.

P.S. I would take Harle if I was you, Andy looks first of all ugly on Necromancer, and second your mercenary would be much better suited with it than you. He is meant (except the one in act 3) to attack while you as a nec are meant to cast as the most effective combination.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Scatty @ Aug 29 2006, 05:48 PM) [snapback]251680[/snapback]</div>Did you max out Bone Wall, Teeth and Bone Spirit as the synergies for Bone Spear? If you want a good damage in Bone Spear you'll have to skill at least those three synergies, and spend the rest of the points into Bone Prison as the fourth synergy along the coming levels. If you didn't skill it like that, and don't have many items that give +to all skills, and no skillers, your damage won't be that high.
Can't expect a Nec who tries both bone skills, some summoning skills, and melee attacking to be even close as strong as a pure p/b nec (won't get me on that anymore, Piggy). For a good start, you would be well advised to give up your attempt of a melee necro and get a White runeword in a wand. That will give you already a large bonus in damage to Bone Spear. And maybe you'll need to start a new nec and skill him more correctly, if you want really good Bone Spear / Bone Spirit damage. Bone Spear is stronger on long term, though, with all the synergies for it.

P.S. I would take Harle if I was you, Andy looks first of all ugly on Necromancer, and second your mercenary would be much better suited with it than you. He is meant (except the one in act 3) to attack while you as a nec are meant to cast as the most effective combination.
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Omfg :tai: . Dude, I already use: White, Homunculus, Bone - for the skills (the Harlequin will be next).

My skill pts are as:
Teeth: lvl27 (not maxed yet)
BSpear: lvl32 (maxed)
BSpirit: lvl30 (maxed)
BWall: lvl11 (not maxed yet)

I should get atleast 3K with this, but it only gives me 1.5K with Bspirit. Furthermore, I am not melee anymore. It was until I got better spells, althought I'm good at that already too.
I can put the next point into BPrison, and it will turn into lvl11 as BWall, because of all the +skills stuff (done now). EDIT: firgured out that the +skillpts from items don't boost as synergies to skills :( . Damn, it should be like that, but it isn't. Crap.

I can do anything with my kind of necro, but now I specialize in Bone skills and Clay Golem. I will rock, when I get some double power from Bone Spear with my build. BTW, anyone who says that Necro hasn't got protection and is weak - is a fool. Casting a few bone walls, makes him an unreachable target. :D

EDIT:

BTW, found my first Terror Key! YAY! :brain: Now have 3 TKey's.

Wtf dewd, it's taking forever to level up.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Blood-Pigggy @ Aug 29 2006, 11:10 PM) [snapback]251734[/snapback]</div>I know, it's boring to lvl up, but in Hell - 5-6 Countess runs make a lvl :).
BTW, sold my 3 Keys: 2xTKeys and 1xHKey for as follows - Ko, Fal and Fal.
A nice deal, considering that only two of them cost me 2 amns to buy and the third one I had found myself, L-O-L.
BTW, got a Thul for Ral+Tir, and other nice deals like Sol for Eld. LOL

EDIT: why weren't you online today?
BTW, I see u two nerds reading every word I write :DDDD.

I'm not "reading every word you write", I'm discussing here with you and helping occasionally as it's a thread about D2. Anyway, if you want to get the 5.5k damage in Bone Spear like my Nec whom you know, you need:
1. Maxed out Bone Spear (you have already)
2. Maxed out Bone Spirit (you have already)
3. Maxed out Teeth (yet to be done)
4. Maxed out Bone Wall (yet to be done)
5. As many as possible skills in Bone Prison (not maxable due to lack of points which are needed for other skills too)
6. To have all these items - Harle, Maras, White in a wand with +3 to Bone Spear / Bone Spirit automod (depends on which main attack skill you prefer, Bone Spear is better, both skills on wand are good too) which will give you +8 to Bone Spear in the end, Boneflame or Darkforce Spawn with +3 to B/P skills, Arachnid Mesh, 2x Sojs or 2x Bul-Kathos' rings, armor with +2 skills (Enigma, Coh, Bone), Annihilus, Necro Hellfire Torch and 7+ P/B skillers.

One or two of these items missed is ok, but more or less you'll need such equipment to reach high damage value. Without all these items Bone Spear won't be that really strong (and Bone Spirit even weaker) with the synergies alone, expect only 2k in the end.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Scatty @ Aug 30 2006, 01:41 AM) [snapback]251758[/snapback]</div>That's more like it :). All these items would require much stuff, but I think I'll just stick to my Bone, White, Harlequin, Homunculus for the +toskills (I didn't even think then to maybe create White from that kind of wand - oh well, another day maybe :)). All synergies will be fine, I will now try to finish Teeth maxing at lvl87 or so.

bk's are cheaper from what i see.. you can try and get some 3% ones for starter, necro torch could be the same and a pb skiller issomething like pul...so it's cheap.
btw scatty isn't that gear for pvp's? troop's gonna be a pvper? :D

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Himmler @ Aug 30 2006, 09:40 AM) [snapback]251803[/snapback]</div>No, I use that stuff in PVM with great success. :blink:
Though I don't drag behind in PVP either, that's for sure, prefer my chars always to be able in both areas in case some PK will show up that waits for a lesson :D