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Nothing to do with "open source beer," it has to do with the ambiguity of the word "free" (and is a common clarification to the usage of the phrase "free software"). "Free as in beer" means that the software has no cost, i.e. gratis. "Free as in speech" means that the source code is open to be viewed by all, but is not necessarily "free as in beer." Another important distinction is that "free as in speech" doesn't imply "free as in beer" and vise-versa.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ("Blood-Pigggy")</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Listen A.J. , this isn't technical, this is just human decency, as far as I can tell, his comment was uncalled for and that's all that I ever meant.[/b][/quote]
I'll admit my tone wasn't polite, but I'd hardly call the comment uncalled for. The comment in question wasn't even inflammatory. I was irritated that my suggestions were met with indifference -- if not complete disregard -- and I expressed that irritation. I fail to see how expressing that makes my comment somehow inflammatory, uncalled-for, or unfair.

My contention all along has been that you making the alterations in your original post would reduce redundancy and confusion in the thread. If every modification requires reposting the entire guide in a new post the entire thread is going to very rapidly become quite a mess.

Secondly, I'd rather not make the modifications to the document myself unless you're pretty lax about the "don't make big changes" note. I personally have no interest in creating my own version of the guide, so my changes are solely for the benefit of you guys and I don't want to make these changes myself unless I know that they're not going to be for naught.

Then dont complain if you wont do something yourself about it!

How about you just lay this to rest?
This is a senseless argument, everyone has made their point, almost no one agrees, and no one is going to get anywhere.

Just calm yourselves down, there's no need for this.

Are you kidding me?

I already did a good bit of work doing the initial research (albeit I did the research for myself and my own guide long before Abandonia even existed). That in-and-of itself is taking initiative, it's you that is unwilling to do any work whatsoever. I even went so far as to offer rewriting the entire damn thing so long as I was assured that it wouldn't be rejected because the changes were judged to affect too much change.

My initial intent was to help improve the accuracy and usefulness of your guide. What the response thus far has been is little more than tell me to do the entire thing myself and to do so only under a restrictive set of conditions with which I'm doubtful of in the first place.

And I'm the one being called rude!

Well, I for one thank you for your input plix :ok:
Personally I believe there's been a somewhat exagerated response to your postings, and that this has been dragging on long enough.

Hell, I'll rewrite the bloody thing myself once I find the time.
*Writes note in agenda*

Well, I have to say that I agree with Plix. Some people on this site seem to think that because we do what we're told by the ESA, that makes the site perfectly legitimate. Not so. Abandonware is illegal. If it was not, it would be called freeware. I especially suggest altering this phrase:

All the games on this site are copyrighted. Not all of them are protected, and the copyright for most of them isn't enforced, but as Plix said that doesn't make it any more legal. I think it's only fair to be open and frank, and tell people that they may be breaking the law (however stupid that law may be), when they download games from the site. Trying to sugarcoat it just seems dishonest (not that I think any of you guys are dishonest, nor do I think you're purposefully trying to mislead anybody).

Read the posts.
This issue has been resolved, there is no more need for ellaboration, this is now just devolving into spam, just stop already, yeesh, don't drag it on.

Well, if the issue has been resolved (although I'm not sure how), why don't we just close the thread? It doesn't seem like there is much interest in criticism anyway.

How exactly is this delving into spam? From what I see we're having a very rational conversation. I'm not quite sure how it's been resolved, either. The posts with the least significance to this thread are the ones where you complain about everyone else.

I take the issues I've raised seriously. I've been involved in abandonware a long time, and it bothers me that you and the original author of the guide have such disregard for the significance and reality of international copyright law, the reality of the ESA (I've been dealing with them since they were the SPA), and such a poor understanding of how copyright works (for example, the complete misunderstanding of "open source").

How about you read my guide, Blood-Piggy. Then let me know what you think about this guide.