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xoopx 20-01-2005 10:56 AM

the thing i find interesting about the ban on gay marriage thing.......
it made sure a lot of right-wingers turned up to vote...
and now bush isnt so sure he wants the amendment after all.
he just uses the 'patriotism', 'faith' etc of the south/midwest states for his own benefit.

Rogue 20-01-2005 01:26 PM

Bush's supporter used churches to promote him under logo that newer before church was so close to government.

Gay marriage, abortion (Kerry said also it's not so simple as president Bush is trying to make it. What about girls that have been raped???) and stream cell research, cloning, and similar things.... Bush told them all what they liked to hear.

xoopx 20-01-2005 01:49 PM

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Originally posted by Anubis@Jan 20 2005, 02:26 PM
Bush's supporter used churches to promote him under logo that newer before church was so close to government.

Gay marriage, abortion (Kerry said also it's not so simple as president Bush is trying to make it. What about girls that have been raped???) and stream cell research, cloning, and similar things.... Bush told them all what they liked to hear.

someone told me that their voting place was a baptist church, and the church staff handed out these leaflets to the queuing people saying that god expected them to vote republican. they complained to the cop or whoever and they said 'oh'
the religious right in usa seem to have trouble noticing that everyone else religious including the pope, isnt right wing and condemned the iraq war.

Borodin 20-01-2005 02:07 PM

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Originally posted by xoopx@Jan 20 2005, 02:49 PM
someone told me that their voting place was a baptist church, and the church staff handed out these leaflets to the queuing people saying that god expected them to vote republican. they complained to the cop or whoever and they said 'oh'

Um, no. That would be illegal, and a federal offense. You can't vote for a US public office in a religious institution: separation of Church and State.

I'm not saying that a lot of people weren't getting their dose of heavy propaganda from their local churches. But the above is simply an urban legend.

Dream 20-01-2005 02:38 PM

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Originally posted by Unknown Hero@Jan 18 2005, 11:43 PM
I really hate that sdfljsdlfčh salkgjlksadgj sagj isgj BUSH!!! :ranting: :ranting: :ranting: :ranting: :ranting:
And I tell you this - he wont stop just like that on Iran, I think he will go further (maybe China?)!

About gazavat or dzhihad or jihad, I would say it WAS somekind of a holy war, BUT for that time (7th century)! And there were different circumstances.

First of all why do you hate him?

Secondly, jihad does not mean holy war. It means "struggle" literally. Not necessarily armed struggle.

Dream 20-01-2005 02:43 PM

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Originally posted by FreeFreddy@Jan 19 2005, 12:46 PM
Wtf does this Bush think what he is? What (excuse me) damn right does he have to declare a war on any country? Iran simply saw the need to get some nuclear weapons, because USA has any. As with that thing where Russia and USA agreed to destroy their mass destruction weapons, Russia did it. USA didn't. Now they claim to have the right to attack someone who has them? I really didn't want to say that, but I hope that sometime later a brutal blow will be dealt to USA which will destroy their economy power at all. That would teach them to not to put their nose in things that aren't of their concern. :not_ok:
Tell me what you want, I think the terrorists are on the right side there. They at least dare to do something against USA, while other countries simply hold their heads back and don't dare to say anything against.

What you said is so...very...wrong.

First of all, Russia plans to build new generation of nuclear missiles, they hardly did they part of the deal, secondly they did not agree to eliminate all nuclear weapons, they merely agreed to reduce their numbers.

They don't attack just "someone" who has nuclear weapons, for one israel has them.

They deal with North Korea and Iran to get off them in diplomatical way, both states are dictatorships, if they want to charge in with all guns blazing then I fully support them, who knows what can breed in sick minds of leaders of these countries?

They do something against USA? They do it against whole world. Besides terrorists and Iran and Korea are not the one thing, before saying something against USA, besides blowing up things in madrid is hardly just a sign of protest against USA being a superpower. If you want to do something against that, vote RALPH NADER!

God I wish people would learn something about politics and geography before spilling out such bs.

Fawfulhasfury 20-01-2005 02:45 PM

.1 - It was not your country that those planes bombed.
.2 - If we had not done anything, do you think that the attacks would have stopped?? No.
.3 - If you all hate America, think about this. Who lets out all the foreign aid money to Europe???
.4 - Don't believe everything you hear in the news. I know someone in Iraq, and he'll tell you that 99% of the Iraqi people are glad that we are there. Imagine what it was like for them before. You've all seen the pictures and the horror, and you're still against helping those people. Sometimes you've got to step in, whether it makes you the enemy or not.
.5 - You'll find that most of the soldiers aren't going for college money, they are going cause they believe in it. And I know good guys who have left their wife and kids more than once to fight for their country.

Now I hope I've made my point.

Dream 20-01-2005 02:46 PM

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Originally posted by cheesegrater@Jan 20 2005, 03:21 AM
A u-boat commander once said there is no such a thing as an atheist soldier.

Bush claims to be religious, yet, the he is breaking the most important commandment - do not kill. I do not know how possibly American Christians can buy this hypocracy. Perhaps it's because they are hypocritical themselves.

Er no that is error of translation there is not "thous shall not kill" the jews are deeply offended by it, instead there's something like "thou shall not murder" or something like that stating that killing is sometimes necessary and inevitable. Unless you expect god to send all soldiers to hell...

Fawfulhasfury 20-01-2005 02:48 PM

Read above.

Also, when it comes to Bush, I don't like him. But if I had a choice between Bush and Kerry, Bush would be it every time.

einherjar 20-01-2005 02:54 PM

Although I think America shouldn't have declared war on Iraq, I think America should declare war on many European countries for refusing to repay their debts to America from World War 2.


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