I start this topic at most forums I belong to, so let's get this site down then shall we?

My view on metal is that it is probably one of the best form of music, it has energy, emotion, rhythym...and it pisses off adults!

Slayer is my favorite metal band...they changed the way we look at intensity.

The list is a bit small and its hard to choose from because there all so good... it's missing Pantera :unsure:

I'll go with the Knot

Hmmm I am a prenapster fan of Metallica, meaning before they became money hungry *****s. And Slayer is like Metallica ripoffs in a bad way, and numetal is quite ordinary and boring, but Black Sabbath , Manowar and alot of other metal I like, but as usual, I like everything from classical music, to power metal (Nightwish and Sonata Arctica), and a hell of other great music. So that is my point of view :)

Missing 2 very influential bands, Iron Maiden and Judas Priest and heck will even put in Motorhead for leading the wave of British Heavy Metal.

Metallica is without a doubt an influnetial band, Kill Em All, Ride The Lightning, Master of Puppets and Justice for All, 4 great metal albums, personally though Kill Em All, which got them notice a lot of credit should go to Dave Mustaine for coming up with majority of the riffs and such, Master was their peak though. Now though, they aren't metal anymore imo, just hard rock, since Load it's been downhill for them in terms of music, no longer interest me.

Slayer, really think they should drop the whole anti religion image. And yes it's an image, Kerry King can write all he wants about it, but in the end it's so forced when it's sung and doesn't look real, and really it's getting old, they haven't put out a good album since 1990 Seasons In the Abyss.

Even though Slipknot is nu-metal, technically not metal metal, like other bands because of chord progression and the way they arrange their songs.

My fav bands Iron Maiden, still going strong after all these years, never have come close to selling out, and still one of the best bands today, Dream Theater for being a great band and great set of musicians, John Petrucci FTW! and usually myself just listen mostly to progressive, power or thrash, other favs I like include Megadeth, Queensryche, Strapping Young Lad, The Devin Townsend Band, Blind Guardian, Symphony X, Nevermore, Iced Earth, Rhapsody, Kamelot, Stratovarius, Kreator, Demons And Wizards, Sonata Arctica, Dio,

Whatever metal heads around the world want to make you belive, led zeppelin is NOT metal! They are a rock band that inspired the sound that later became metal. It's like calling the troggs punk...sheeesh

80 per cent of the people so far have voted for "other" as their favourite band. How many of those would have voted for Iron Maiden for example?

I say extend it to include rock'n'roll and hard rock, like AC/DC and Motörhead.

DeathDude, faralar, Japofran, Mighty Midget:

I agree with you all, and if Iron maiden, and Manowar had been there too, and alot of the names DeathDude mentioned , then I would alot have voted for alot.

Right then, *cracks knuckles* let's address these replies.

I would first off like to sincerely apologize to the general public for leaving off Pantera...you really don't even know how much i'm kicking myself over this :wallbash: .

Shunk Eat Enemy:What era of Slipknot are you reffering to? All three albums? Pre-"Subliminal Messages"? "Iowa"?
Because Slipknot completely changed styles in each album...


Wolverine DK: I couldn't disagree with you more, but i'm not in the mood to make an enemy right now, so i'll just leave it at that.

Deathdude:The anti-religion image basically is Slayer. If they dropped that, they'd be just like any other death-themed metal band in the world. And while I do agree that Seasons is an awesome album, you're forgetting "God Hates Us All". This one got me into death metal, and really should get better reviews than it has (in my opinion)...I mean, look at my signature, that's from "New Faith" which is undisputedly one of the best Slayer songs ever written.


I can't say anything about Metallica, because to tell you the truth, i've only heard two of their songs: "Enter Sandman" and "Master of Puppets"...the latter being the better one in my opinion.

I also can't mention Iron Maiden because...i've never heard a single song from them...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Iowa @ Aug 9 2006, 06:32 PM) [snapback]247633[/snapback]</div>
I think you need some education, since Iron Maiden has made so much music, that you couldn´t have forgotten to noticed it, and you don´t want to make me an enemy ?

Well then

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icAzyx8EsKU

the number of the beast

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type...p;search=Search

here is all that I could find with them on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQLGUWjr6Co

fear of the dark

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type...p;search=Search

all I could find with Manowar.

I don´t care if you feel I am an enemy or not of you, just go into the line.

Just because I don´t like Slayer, then you all out of sudden begin to say, you don´t want me as an enemy ?

Are we having a real fanboy here ?

Yeah, I feel Slayer is a metallica ripoff, and numetal is very ordinary , mediocre, and very boring. The only numetal song I like is In The End by Linkin Park, and by the way numetal is not even metal.

I saw that in a program about punk history, and other stuff some time ago in the telly.

heck, you can always find other info about numetal. on perhaps wikipedia, but I am sorry I can´t remember the name of that television show, but I think it was about the history of Punk, and it went from The Sex Pistols, and on to the newest.

And you have only heard two of metallicas songs ?

I don´t even know why you made this thread in the first place, without even having a kind of knowledge about it. To me you just mashed it all together, and made a mess out of it. Sorry if I offend you, but if you hate me now, then begin to listen to alot of songs.

We had a thread earlier in the music thread, and that was about metal too, without polls, and there we discussed it , perhaps a bit emotionally, but it was in very sober tone, and we all had some serious good discussion. To the moderators, if I am too out of line, then give me a warning, since that I can live with.
Or lock this thread, if it gets out of line.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np8TP0mZPCo

afraid to shoot strangers live

And any extreme PMs will be reported instantly to the moderators. , when I read them.

I get what you're saying and, on a wide scale, you're probably right. I'm more into the new kind of metal (Mushroomhead, Slipknot, Motograter, American Head Charge), and I do submit to not have listened to much of the old metal because, well, I like new metal more.

I thought about putting Iron Maiden on in the first place, but didn't because I thought most people here would like the newer kinds of metal like I do. I'll try to check out some IM when I can, they sound like they'll be pretty good, and it's cool that you've linked to the videos, but for the last bloody time I have dial-up and cannot view any video!

...sorry, but throughout the course of my internet surfing over the years i've had about one thousand people try to link me to videos, and i'd have to reply with the same answer I gave above.

And when I meant I don't want to make you as an enemy, I said it because I have a WWW-renowned reputation for getting into long, long arguements with people and eventually having them hate me. I decided to kill it before that could happen because on this forum, what with the rule-crunching admins and all, I don't need enemies.

Iowa: mate I don´t need you as an enemy either :)

(those I have a couple of)

But hmmm you could always ask a mate, or two , if they have broadband connection, then you could always check the links that way :) or ask a couple of friends for MP3 files or make them burn some CD´s and so forth, and it is a bloody pain in the arse not having a broadband connection.

I like there second album, the self titled one, along with iowa and Mate Feed Kill Repeat, there 4th one Vol 3 is good but i like the older stuff better, it's more raw sounding.

As for the term "numetal" i hate it sounds like your belittling the heavy metal of this generation, i do dislike most of it like, "Bury your dead" "Atreyu" "Avenged Sevenfold" and "Unearth" for example. I do appreciate the good classic metal like Judas Preist and what not. If you have never listened to any classic metal you can't possiably call yourself a metal fan. :tomato: Thats just my thoughts.

Hay Iowa check out this thread.
http://www.abandonia.com/forum/index...howtopic=11562
I hope its not against the law to link to other threads here :whistling:

also check out www.mfkr1.com

I understand your views, and I, for the most part, agree.

It's funny because I used to think Iowa sucked and hated it because it lacked tune and was chock full of screaming...but now i've started to really get into it. "People Equal muck" is the best track on the CD, after "I Am Hated" and "Left Behind".

I've heard one Avenged Sevenfold song that I like, can't remember the name, but it started with a really fast guitar riff and was featured on Burnout Revenge.

Atreyu is...well...I don't like it.

Bury Your Dead is, from the MTV video I saw, pretty much meaningless...I do, however like Korn. Especially "Y'all Want A Single?" and "Freak On A Leash".

WolverineDK: you don't know how glad I am that you decided to not hate me, and if you've never had dial-up...you can't even possibly fathom how *blank space intentionally left by poster for want of a negative enough adjective and not wanting to use profanity* bad it is. Glad to have you as a buddy! ^_^

Hello there!

Firstly I would like to say metal is very very good.

As for fave metal band though, that's harder. There's so many to choose from, it really depends what kind of mood I'm in at the time.

Recently I've been listening to the first few albums by Ulver (after the 3 folk/black metal style albums they went in a very electronic direction. The more electronic stuff is well worth checking out as well actually). Umm, also been listening to the Nightfall in Middle Earth album by Blind Guardian a lot. And... *thinks* I was listening to Chimaira's self-titled album earlier today.

Oh and Iowa, you need some Maiden!!

I use to really like metal, but have grown over it I guess. That's why I voted 'mediocre'.

But I always was a huge Metallica-fan, until that black album of theirs. I also liked Megadeth :) I once (1992) went to a great concert in Rotterdam where both Metallica AND Megadeth played (and Suicidal Tendencies, but they kinda sucked) :ok:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Cloudy @ Aug 10 2006, 07:15 PM) [snapback]247816[/snapback]</div>Did you say Electro ? ;-)

http://www.abandonia.com/forum/index.php?s...ic=6302&hl=

and here is the old metal thread.

http://www.abandonia.com/forum/index.php?s...ic=6145&hl=

Im kinda finding my way into this kind of music, and one band ive found to be pretty sick is Opeth. I've only got two albums, but lovin it. Another one is wednesday 13, a cd i stole off a friend for a joke (got pummelled :wallbash: ) and i started listening to it and i liked that too. I got Slayers 'God hates us all' which i listened to for a bit and liked, but their anti-christ attitude got a bit old after a few days. And no matter what i do, i can never seem to get my hands on Slipknot for some reason. But anyway yeah, 's pretty good stuff. Im kind of in the middle of a metal/frank sinatra phase now for some reason. Dunno how that happened... :huh:

Opeth is a cool band, especially their latest Ghost Reveries, but for me at least they are starting to get really samey, and really not too much of a fan of their longer songs, don't like the way they pull it off, if want to listen to a long song, Dream Theater is my fav (A Change Of Seasons 24 mins and all good)

Lot of good albums coming out the end of this month and next month, Iron Maidens new one A matter of life and death, Dream Theater's live album Score, Blind Guardians A Twist in the Mist in September, Rhapsody of Fire's in September as well, and the Gigantour DVD. Very Sweet. :)

*laughs* My god, Maiden must be good, what with all the people urging me to listen to it...

Oh, and if anybody watching this topic ever gets the chance to obtain "Sun Doesn't Rise" by Mushroomhead, take it!. It isn't very intense stuff, but the total greatness of the vocalized rhythym in the song makes up for it!

#Blakhole#:Well, you got off to a very good start on metal with "God Hates Us All", and I can see why people would get tired of their anti-christ attitude rather quickly. The main reason why I can say that I won't get tired of it for some time is the fact that I have the same beliefs that they do. Also, if you need some Slipknot (or any other awesome music for that matter), a really sick and awesome [legal!] MP3 site is: This! The songs are around eleven cents apiece!


And lastly, can any Metallica fan explain something to me? Ok, I was at Hot Topic and I saw a Metallica shirt that said "Metal Up Your behind" with a knife sticking out of a toilet. I don't recall seeing this on the list of albums that they released...did I miss it, or is it something different?

Ah yes the first album was actually scheduled to be called that Metal up your a**, but the record label didn't like the idea of such a violent name so they told the band to change it, that's when Cliff Burton came up with the name Kill Em All for the title of the first album.

Oh and of course Maiden is good, they haven't sold 70-80 million albums for nothing. ;)

Hay :tai: if ya want a really great under-rated metal band check out Devil Driver, it's got Dez Faffara from Coal Chamber because they broke up :tai:

Heres there Ecard i know not everyone here has DSL but it shouldn't take too long.
Listen to Hold Back the Day, the video for it is good if you find it on you tube. The vid is a tribute to Black Sabbath's video Paranoid
http://flashenhanced.com/devildriver...evildriver.htm

I got both there cd's and the DVD :sneaky:

Bleh devildriver, I saw them on tour when they were with Dark Tranquality and Opeth, honestly boring stuff, sounds like so many other screaming bands out there, only good thing they did was got the crowd going by asking for a circle pit. They replaced The Devin Townsend Band which really made me mad :tai: , cause would have rather seen Devin than them any day of the week.

Hey, thanks guys! I personally would have fought the label to keep the "Metal Up Your ***" title, but Kill 'Em All works too.

Shunk, I envy you so much right now...

I've heard one Devildriver song a long time ago, can't remember anything about it, but I liked it. It's a pity Coal Chamber broke up, "Loco" was awesome...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DeathDude @ Aug 11 2006, 03:05 PM) [snapback]247949[/snapback]</div>Opeth are one of my favourite bands, ever ^_^ I love their longer songs especially, and I'm hopefully going to see them for the second time later this year.

Dream Theater are.. okay. I find tem a bit tedious sometimes. But their last 2 albums in particular are excellent, especially Train of Thought. That's my fave DT album.

Just got my Anathema and SikTh tickets today though, looking forward to seeing them. Especially Anathema, I saw them supporting Porcupine Tree last year and they were amazing. All their albums are incredible too.

I just remembered another band, Disturbed, which i thought everyone would know, what with all that Down with the Sickness craziness. Course my favourite song of theirs would definately have to be Ten Thousand Fists. Anyone else like Disturbed?

Disturbed is awsome man i got back about a week ago from ozzfest and they were there. They are so much better live :max:

heres a pic of them you can barely make out the 3rd album cover as the curtain behind them

Disturbed Live@Bristow VA

Best metal band is probably Dream theater...
Rush is better, but not metal...

I've only heard "Down With the Sickness" from Disturbed, but I really like that song.

Another kick-behind metal band is Fear Factory! :titan:

I've only heard a couple of Disturbed tracks but they didn't really sound like my kinda thing.

Some of you guys seem to be into technical stuff like Dream Theater, etc. Well, if you can stand a bit (well.. a lot) of screaming and brutality, check out Necrophagist. They're a very brutal death metal band from Germany. But their songs are quite possibly more technical than even Dream Theater. Some of the guitar work is insane.

http://www.last.fm/user/ApocKing/ - there's my last.fm list thing, if anyone's interested. ^_^

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Iowa @ Aug 13 2006, 02:37 PM) [snapback]248242[/snapback]</div>"Kick behind" ?

Im not sure i know the definition of that, although they are very good.

Soul Of a New Machine, brutal with some great grind elements, but not without its hooks in the riffing, and some interesting lyrics as well. With Demanufacture and Obsolete i enjoyed how these where both somewhat concept albums, with Demaufacture being cold and really machined... And Obsolete feeling a little more organic - atmosphereically speaking. Perhaps a bit more human in a way. On both releases Raymond Herrera's drumming is pretty innovative on tracks like Freedom or Fire, blending almost a Drum & Bass style beat into a metal song. Works well and the end result is heavy as f... really cool.

I was extremely disappointed when i bought that cd. I hate the cannibal corpse style crap growling :tomato: Don't get me wrong i love how Burton screams in some songs like Slave Labor and Cyberwaste.

I was also disappointed at Remanufacture. It was just pure annoying techno. I cant believe they let somebody do that to there songs :unsure:

If anyone wants to check out a band that hasn't changed it's style and really stayed true to form Kreator is definitely one of them, pure thrash, Enemy of God a their latest good to check out.

And if ya want to check out some insane drumming and brutal music all around, Strapping Young Lad great band browse around youtube, plenty of stuff from them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6AtBoTlQd4 - Wrong Side off their latest album, The New Black
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wA8NbwJK4_k - Zen off their last one, Alien.

Finally Blind Guardian also a sweet band, really sweet, Nightfall in Middle Earth, Somewhere Far Beyond, or Imaginations From the Other Side good places to start with their discography. If ya fan of power metal.

Necrophagist seen some of their stuff, impressive on the technical but more technical than Petrucci, you should check out his solo album if you want technical, shredder, has played some jazz so knows that, and technical player, make him an all around legend in the metal community.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DeathDude @ Aug 13 2006, 07:04 PM) [snapback]248382[/snapback]</div>Kreator, Strapping Young Lad, Blind Guardian. All excellent stuff.

And you're right about John Petrucci's solo stuff, it's pretty crazy.

That reminds me, I still need to check out Liquid Tension Experiment or whatever they're called.

Indeed that's what they are called, my suggestion pick up Liquid Tension Experiment 2 before you pick up 1, it's the better album of the two. :ok:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DeathDude @ Aug 13 2006, 08:01 PM) [snapback]248395[/snapback]</div>I'll keep that in mind, thanks ^_^ :ok:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(#BlakhOle# @ Aug 13 2006, 01:57 AM) [snapback]248210[/snapback]</div>Disturbed reminds me of a more heavy version of an "old" Danish band with the name Dizzy Mizz Lizzy. So I like them :) or at least Down With The Sickness :) behind = arse, so even though we can´t write "a s s" , then we can always write arse, and shite :) there are ways around the system :)

The stupid word filter on the forum censors out any bad language you type by replacing it with pre-programmed synonyms.

Just picked up Divine Intervention today..."Dittohead" is the fastest song i've heard in my life! :boxing:

Re : Kick Behind

Ohhh right i get ya now.

Divine Intervention is actually pretty good, though im not a huge Slayer fan, especially in the albums following Divine Intervention. All that came before it though was indeed pretty cool though. But at the point where most of my friends were listening to Slayer and the like i was listening to stuff like Possessed, Sodom, Bathory etc so i never really caught onto them as much i suppose.

Yeah, alot of people are like that...from what i've heard of it, Seasons In the Abyss is awesome; "Spirits In Black" just plain rocks! Right now i'm in the process of getting Slipknot's self-titled album...

"coils of the serpent unwind..."

Ya should check out South Of Heaven too by Slayer, some fans actually like that a bit more than Seasons in the Abyss. But both still good albums.

Metallica............................rulez for ever.

Yes, alot of people tend to believe that way.

Deathdude: do you like "God Hates Us All", or are you another one of those "they changed too much, so that album sucks" people?

Not really a lot, most of the hard core fans who have been with the band since they started have turned their backs on them for there attitude and music change, think unless they put out a stellar and I mean stellar record it'll be over for them.

Honestly I haven't heard that album main reason I'm not huge into Slayer, main reason, the general consensus though around lot of the metal boards though that I have read is that not a popular album among those circles, so I've read.

I disagree with that concensus, "God Hates Us All" has more energy than other Slayer albums, and the songs just seem louder. Plus, the lyrics are better than the previous albums i've heard...

Personally I thought reign in blood had a lot of energy and same with south of heaven and seasons in the abyss, heard a bit of the new album christ illusion and really Tom has lost his voice and not as good as he used to be, Kerry still using the same solos he has been for the last 20 years, but Dave being back has helped them.

But looking forward to Iron Maiden's new album the 29th can't wait, will be awesome. :brain:

Yeah, I heard a preview of a song off CI on MTV...it sucked.

I like metal a lot !

I'm mostly into doom metal though, especially stuff like early Anathema, early Paradise Lost and My Dying Bride (my #1 favourite of all time :) ). And a lot of the classic stuff too, Saint Vitus, Candlemass, Count Raven and Sleep.
Sunn O))) is also great, but they being metal, or even music, is a bit questionable. :P
While I'm at it at the noisy stuff I might as well mention Khanate and Burning Witch.

I listen to a some black metal too. Mostly old stuff, like early Ulver, Darkthrone, Ved Buens Ende (brilliant experimental stuff), Satyricon (the old stuff is as brilliant as the new the new stuff is the final proof that they have become total cocksmokers... :wallbash: ) and Mayhem (Freezing mooooooooooon !!! :titan: Damn good Attilla is back. ).

As for deathmetal I like a lot of overly technical stuff (something I in most other genres can't stand :P ).
Atheist (something inbetween prog and death), Mithras, Suffocation, Nile, Death and Origin are among the favourites.

I HATE that so called "new metal". Slipknot has made so many ignorant, stupid kids that think they know what metal is. Korn was good on their first album but 98% of the other numetal stuff sucks in a way that there are no words to describe... The funny thing about most of those bands is that they can't play live at all. :P I've seen several live videos that proves that and even saw Slipknot live on a festival once. Bands that can only play well in a studio where they can stitch their songs together from an abnormal lot of takes earn no respect from me... :not_ok:



Since many others post youtube links I figured I might post some ( a lot :P ) myself:

My Dying Bride - The Songless Bird
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOMfcSeUdUk

My Dying Bride - I Am The Bloody Earth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWoKMO7067c

My Dying Bride - Cry Of Mankind
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGV1VaIZ7Mk

My Dying Bride - For You
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOMfcSeUdUk

Anathema - Sweet Tears (this is the good old stuff, the new stuff is just shite)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24DhCviMKqE

Virgin Black - Our Wings Are Burning (Great Australian doom band)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAKfJ-w5H0o

Sunn O))) - Live (a bit bad sound but it doesn't matter anyway, to get the full experience of these guys you would HAVE to be there)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xq9S9UY-I0

Khanate - Pieces Of Quiet ( Live )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD4EGN2MQjk...ted&search=

Origin - Portal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbETbs8YvNY

Nile - Sarcophagus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCjwCSlcCOA

edit: a couple more links :)

Psycroptic - Lacertine Forest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAkkWF23Wfs

Psycroptic - The Scepter Of Jaar-Gilon ( This one is so damn good. I never get tired of it... )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8GX6jyu-OU...ted&search=

Well gee thanks for the comment, your a real jerk. I'd start flaming you right now but i don't feel like being banned. Just because we like something different does not mean you get the right to bash the fans of it. I think "death" metal is total crap because they can't carry a tune for muck singing wise. I could less about goddamn genre names, It's the media that has to label everything with a different name, as far as i'm concerned it's all metal.

The thing is stuff like nu-metal, isn't metal at all. It has more elements into rock and chord progression especially and is far from metal to begin with. There are some excessive genres out there, but really there has to be some differeniation, especially when you get bands like System Of A Down and people saying they are metal, which they clearly aren't. So in some cases there has to be some distinctions, otherwise you start comparing a band like Dream Theater who are progressive with a band like Judas Priest.

Well, since I'm more of an old school Rock'n'Roll kind of guy, I'd say bands like Mot?rhead and AC/DC (please, no debate whether they're metal or not :P), but lately I found Anthrax a bit interesting as well. For the record, I used to be a Sabbath and Maiden fan. Still listen to their music every now and then.

But truth is: No other band rocks like the deranged accadacca. Evidence: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUiehLy-cLY

Emperor (top of the list), Negura Bunget, Burzum(yeah), Opera IX, Ragnarok(Blackdoor Miracle), some Gorgoroth(not much ...few songs), Helheim, Einherjer, Finntroll, Falkenbach, Ancient(mostly Svartalvheim album), Krieg(The Blue Miasma :D), Bathory ( :wub: ) and some others.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Moonstrider @ Aug 19 2006, 01:42 AM) [snapback]249555[/snapback]</div>I like you! You like a lot of the same bands as me. Sunn o))), Ulver, Darkthrone, Satyricon, Nile, Death... ^_^

As for the death metal thing, I agree also, I love technical death metal, but in other genres of metal, and music in general, overly technical stuff annoys me a bit. In death metal it just seems.. right :P


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DeathDude @ Aug 19 2006, 07:28 AM) [snapback]249571[/snapback]</div>Agree also. Nu-metal isn't really metal, it's mainstream rock. That isn't to say it's all bad though. Some of it is pretty good.

And also, I would say System of a Down are metal. But I haven't listened to any of their more recent stuff, only the first 2 albums, so for all I know their style has changed.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Shunk Eat Enemy @ Aug 19 2006, 04:32 AM) [snapback]249564[/snapback]</div>Hey, there's no need to flame me, it's just my personal opinion... And it wasn't a personal attack on anyone. And yes, I sort of blame media too. It's the know-it-all journalists fault that these bands are labeled as metal in the first place. Sorry if it offended you...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Cloudy @ Aug 19 2006, 05:09 PM) [snapback]249626[/snapback]</div>Have you ever been to a Sunn O))) concert ? If you ever get the chance, go there. And you should check out Earth, Burning Witch and Khanate too. They have some common bandmembers, and as you might or might not know, Sunn O))) started out as a Earth tribute band. And if you like early Ulver you should definately check out Ved Buens Ende.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Cloudy @ Aug 19 2006, 05:09 PM) [snapback]249626[/snapback]</div>In my opinion, recent System Of A Down has lots more similarities to hiphop than metal, from the chord progression to the singing and even the videos... That goes for most numetal bands really.

Remembered one more good numetal band though. Rage Against The Machine.

System of A Down I would put more into hard rock although some call it nu-metal as well, but definitely aren't metal.

I know a big debate on a metal band is Tool. A great band and one that I enjoy listening to, but again common misconception they are metal, they are more hard rock, even with the crazy time changes and chord progressions, not to belittle the band, they are still wicked. :ok:

Moonstrider: Well, because my username is based off of a Slipknot album, I guess you know where this is going...

I really do disagree with your dislike for Slipknot and "new" metal, personally I think Slipknot carries a very unique style in that even though most of the tune to their music is absolutely incomprehensible (try listening to "Heretic Anthem", you'll know what I mean), it carries a great beat ("Surfacing") and [in their self-titled] really neat lyrics ("Sic"). Furthermore, my personal 'Knot experience is enhanced by the inability to stop listening...I don't even know why. I could understand your opinions, but i'd like to know just how much Slipknot you've heard before you make such accusations. Who know? Maybe you have listened to alot of them and are making a theory based on fact...if so, then i'll simply say "if that's the way you think" and walk away. However, you could be making assumptions based on their worst songs ("Eyeless", "Circle") or have not much experience...if that's the case i'll just shake my head and say "you're really making the wrong descision and missing out" and walk away, either way we avoid fighting. Don't you see how my method works? ;)

To address the talk about "nu-metal"...well I don't particularly think it's metal either, but I do like it.

Never heard any black metal...but I wouldn't mind giving it a go (nor would I any other type of metal [except for glam, hate that crap!]).

Agreed on glam metal, dark time for metal, it was. Haven't heard a ton of black metal, not really a huge fan of it.

Band that I hate hearing people call metal? Kiss, honestly they are not metal, yet get classified in, bleh.

I honestly don't believe that glam is even called metal in a time when bands such as Korn are being debated...I think Korn is more metal than Twisted Sister will ever be.

I also don't think that guys dressing up as girls [and taking it so far, even Manson would cringe] is classified as a publicity stunt, no, publicity stunts draw the line at violence, drug abuse, and sex scandals.

To anyone who is wondering what exactly i'm talking about, watch VH1 Classic, and you're sure to accidentally stumble upon Poison's "We're Not Gonna Take It" video...*shudders* I actually felt myself go cross-eyed.

Oh, and when I was addressing Moonstrider I left out a point: I think live music sounds like crap anyway, so I wouldn't care even if Slipknot was bad at making live music. If you do think they're bad, though, watch "Heretic Athem Live"...at least I think that's the one...if it's not here's what i'm getting at: the drummer's set rises up into the air (with him on it and still drumming the entire way through) and starts moving and twisting and turning upside down until it completes its image: the Slipknotagram. Face it, it doesn't get any more awesome than that! :band:

Korn isn't metal though again fall into the nu-metal category.

And that song was not done by Poison, but by Twisted Sister "We're not going to take it."

Live music can be good but it's not easy to find great live albums, some of my favourite ones though.

Iced Earth- Alive In Athens- One of the best live albums of all time, will go on a limb to say that, 3 Disc and really strong performance all around from everyone in the band, any metal fan needs to check this one out.

Iron Maiden- Rock in Rio- Another superb live show with a great setlist, the entire bands sounds awesome as a 6 piece and Bruce D sounds insanely wicked singing, 250,000 people were at this concert, and a few million more watched it on tv.

Dream Theater- Live At Budokan- One of there best live concerts minus a subpar performnce by the singer, but a sweet set list with about 18 or 19 songs, the band was superb and really the dvd itself is incredible, the way it was filmed looks like your watching a movie, very professional and some sweet special features on the dvd.

Dream Theater- Live Scenes From New York- Another great dvd from them, they played the entire Scenes From A Memory CD and with band commentary on the concert, some great bonus tracks, including the 24 min song Change Of Seasons performed in it's entirety, just a sweet concert that really needs to be seen to see how a great concept album can be told.

Megadeth- Rude Awakening- Megadeth's only real live cd and dvd collection, incredible set list, although the band itself was strong, minus Al Petrelli who was decent at times and butchered some solos of Marty Friedman's but still incredible all around with the energy and music being solid.

That's odd, I didn't even know good live albums existed I find it hard to believe you after hearing Rammstein: Live Aus Berlin. I know i've heard other live songs, but I can't put a finger on them right now...but I will say that Marylin Manson's "Antichrist Superstar" is pretty much the only live song I like.

Oh, and Deathdude's right, WNGTI is by Twisted Sister...still creepy though...

I think slipknot was alot better live during the Iowa era, like on disasterpeices DVD, when corey's voice was at its peak. Now he seems to be straining himself.
To Iowa
I'm not sure if you were saying your confused about slipknots song meanings but heres a link on them.
Theres also the real meaning about "purity" its actually about a girl in a box. Theres FBI files to back it up. Slipknot song meanings

Also another great live album is i think it's Judas Preist live in london, it doesn't have Halford but its great.
I've seen KoRn live once and they sound better then any studio album of theres. I'm gonna see them again real soon too.

I sorta like some of the glam stuff it's catchy, like Ratt or Wasp, but poison just ruined the name of "metal"
so did Balads. Why did every band have to have a balad :-(
Nope Twisted Sister does that song. I happen to like it :bleh:
Vh1 classic does have great stuff on there show, metallica, pantera, Judas Priest and so on.

I was thinking of getting one of there albums (not live) , but they have so many, you got any advice? I've only heard one song "frankenstein" and i like it alot.

I just watched The History of Metal on VH1 and they actually portray hair/glam metal as the golden age of metal, they also put Led Zeppelin and AC/DC into metal witch they just aren't they have too much blues/rock n' roll elements...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Moonstrider @ Aug 19 2006, 04:29 PM) [snapback]249628[/snapback]</div>
I missed Sunn O))) a while back.. but if they're ever back in Glasgow I'll make sure I get a ticket. I've heard it's quite an experience.

And I'll definetely check out those bands you mentioned too, thanks ^_^

Menowar is very cool to.. :bleh: :w00t: :brain:

@Tulac- Yeah I saw the same show you did and your right most media put AC/DC, Kiss, Led Zeppllin in metal when really none of them fit, I see AC/DC more as hard rock, cutting it close to metal but not quite and same with the other two, Zepplin did have elements that did integrate into metal later on, but still most music shows like VH1, mtv, do a bad job of identifying metal, they think Guns and Roses are metal too, bleh. Slowly they are coming around though I've noticed with the older groups, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Dream Theater, and so on, sad it's when they have been around so long but better than never I suppose.

Shunk Eat Enemy- That song was off their album Horror Show, honestly it's not my favourite but it has a few good songs here and there. My recommendation, pick up Something Wicked This Way Comes, great all around album, and if you like that go with Dante's Inferno and The Dark Saga, and then Horror Show. But recommended Something Wicked first and go from there, once you grow accustomed to the songs, you can pick up Night Of the StormRider and then Iced Earth, but those two albums have different singers, both of them, so be warned.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Shunk Eat Enemy @ Aug 19 2006, 11:03 PM) [snapback]249707[/snapback]</div>No, I meant that it's just hard to actually understand what Corey is saying I mean, "You can't see California without Marlon Brando's eyes!"? You've got to be lieing if you understood that the first time you heard "Eyeless". But when you can understand what he's saying, alot of the time the lyrics are awesome (like the chorus of "Surfacing" :D).

That certainly was an interesting link...but how is that connected with the FBI?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Iowa @ Aug 20 2006, 06:41 PM) [snapback]249770[/snapback]</div>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvHiqqOqu8U

*giggle*

I dunno if you'll be able to see this on dial up, but it's a funny interpratation of the words of Eyeless.

Stupid dial-up...I'LL KILL YOU IF ITS THE LAST THING I DO! When i've taken over the world, every single person that wants it will have a 1MBPS connection!

I'd love to watch it, but no, I have to have [b]dial-up![b].

Okay, ranting over...continue with normal conversation...

Back on topic: isn't it horrible how during "Iowa" concerts Corey vomits in his mask, and because he can't take it off, has to do the entire thing with puke right in front of his face? I couldn't imagine having to do that! :vomit: :hairpull: :not_ok: :omg2: :vomit:

Bit of hardcore emoticon usage going down here at the "Metal" thread.:D

First of all, metal is mediocre. By this I don't mean that there aren't any great metal bands, only that the majority of metal bands doesn't interest me at all. There are many other genres with better quality on average. My favourite metal band is probably Tiamat, though I also like early Iron Maiden and Metallica.

While I understand how you could feel this way, I highly disagree. You must be one of those people that just can't stand the noise (I know, I used to be that way...then Slayer came along in my life and...), and the majority of metal bands probably don't interest you because...let's face it, there are alot of metal bands that suck.

And what do you mean by "better quality"?

Ahhh.. i had a sneaking suspicion there might be a few people here into more extreme forms of metal/music.. Cheers to those who had mentioned : Ved Buens Ende, Saint Vitus, (older) Darkthrone, Gorgoroth, Ulver, Sunn O, (older) Satyricon, (older) Ancient etc, Helheim and Krieg!

I enjoy all of these, as well as a lot more obscure atrists as well.. although am just somewhat reluctant to name many of them.

Great to see the blend of oldschool gaming and such advanced forms of art reach more than just a few it seems.

Also, Moonstride, i notice you've posted a number of Australian acts on here, yet your profile says you are from Norway? Was just wondering about your interest in Aussie stuff. So.. "Good on ya" to you. ;)

This is actually only my second year of being a metalhead :whistling: ...I haven't heard of any of the bands you just mentioned (except for Ulver).

For some reason I have trouble finding metal that I actually like...Iowa is probably the most intense stuff that I can like, because any more and it's just off-beat drums, tuneless vocals, and pointless guitar riffs. Well, I don't know if you'd consider Mudvayne, but I do really, really like "Dig". :titan:

Show of hands, who likes "Dig"? :w00t:

I dig "Dig" a bit...

And though i am predominantly into black metal music i also dig Slipknot as well, although i have no shortage of people telling me what i am not supposed to like though. Though for bands like Slipkknot, it seems very much that many people are all too happy to jump on the f*ck!ng bandwagon of ragging on Slipknot, or that its "cool" to rag on them. Im not interested in following this trend.

I actually respect the fact that youve said youre only just getting into this style of music and havent heard this or that rather than coming out and pretending that you had (been around for years and heard this that and the other) so bravo to ye. Its when people do come out and make all these claims to be deeply into this or that, im thankful still as it makes posers easy to spot from a mile away. ;)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Heretic @ Aug 21 2006, 06:09 PM) [snapback]250019[/snapback]</div>Dark Throne ? Dimmu Borgia ?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Heretic @ Aug 21 2006, 08:09 PM) [snapback]250019[/snapback]</div>Nothing more to it than there happens to be a lot of great bands from Australia. Are you from Australia ? If you are, and know any members of those bands tell them to get their asses up here and have a concert for us. :w00t: Especially Virgin Black and Psycroptic (they were here not so long ago btw, great concert).

I like Cryptal Darkness a lot too. The old stuff anyway. I'm not too into the Eternal stuff...

And please name your obscurities. I want to hear them !

Norway rocks :)

Correction: Norway is made of rock :P. And I'm not talking music. Man, if you knew how many half-a$$ bands we got here, you would have flipped it. With a few exeptions, it seems to me that the majority of Norwegian rock/metal bands are about a decade too late. Geez, some are still living in the 80's. and they're not being ironic about it either. Ok, you got BM and that crowd, but I believe they are being caught up by bands from other countries, and the 'Scandinavian Rawk' scene is terminally ill.

Personally, I think the best (as a rock guy) metal comes from the UK or the USA. I never got that German Speed Metal scene.

England for sure there are some, the notables, Priest and Maiden, the U.S doesn't have many that are still stellar as used to be, Dream Theater, Kamelot, maybe Queensryche, Megadeth.

Germany though has some good bands, have you forgotten one of the thrash legends, Kreator, legends who are still doing well today, Blind Guardian another excellent band that seems to be getting bigger year after year, let's not forget Edguy either another very talented band, there are some more but those are some of the bigger ones that thought would mention. ;)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Moonstrider @ Aug 22 2006, 06:35 AM) [snapback]250084[/snapback]</div>Firstly yes, im Australian born and bred, although im not a "Native Australian". Second its great to hear that you think so, so many people when asked what Aussie metal they like reply : ACDC, which is fair enough i suppose haha, but not particularly hard to not have heard. :P I cant really think of too many Aussie acts that wouldnt like to go to Norway to do some shows!

I wasnt aware that Psycroptic or Virgin Black had visited you guys, but its cool to hear they had. I wonder how was the response/turnout? Because as you know it costs more than a few shiny gold pieces to trek to Norway. I do know a number of promoters here in W.A as well as in the eastern and southern states so if you know of many bands that might 'pull' well there then give them a mention and ill see what the promoters and bands think if i know them. I have personal contact with a few of the bands i suppose, but the rest is through no more than mere emails which of course anyone can find should they look.

Some personal favourites from my homeland would be : Abyssic Hate, Impact Winter, Darklord, Nazxul, Portal, Hated By Humanity, Destroyer666, Pestilential Shadows, Lord Kaos (r.i.p/defunct) Disembowelment, Avrigus.. i could go on and on, but this is a short list of ones that i thouroughly enjoy.

World wide.. aside from more 'known' acts like Immortal or Dissection (farwell Jon N) i llisten to stuff like Behexen, Sargeist, Velvet Cacoon, Blut Aus Nord, Deathspell Omega etc.. i figured id just name again, some of the more well known 'obscure' bands.. though there are more than a handful of artists i know of that would rather themselves not to be named publicly. Wishes which i respect.

Maybe sometime in the future ill even drag one of my bands up to nice sunny Norway ;)

Cheerz

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Iowa @ Aug 21 2006, 07:45 PM) [snapback]250004[/snapback]</div>You don't know how far off you are. :hysterical:

I don't find metal to be noisy at all. But I do think I have several records in my collection that are so noisy, YOU would probably not be able to listen to them very long. :sneaky:

All depends on what you call noise. Metal just builds a solid wall of sound, that is best consumed at high volume. If you like to call that noise, then go ahead, I just have a different opinion. If you want to have an idea what noise is really about, you could try to get your hands on some Merzbow for instance, or perhaps some good old SPK. Compared to that, most metal music is just boring. :yawn:

Besides, if I thought metal was too noisy, I wouldn't mention my favourite metal bands, would I ? :hammer:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Iowa @ Aug 21 2006, 07:45 PM) [snapback]250004[/snapback]</div>Now you say it yourself : there are alot of metal bands that suck. Which means metal as a genre is not that great, though some individual metal bands are really great. In some other genres (psychedelic rock, jazz, industrial, etc), there are more interesting artists, and less artists that suck, which makes me value these genres a lot higher.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Heretic @ Aug 22 2006, 09:45 AM) [snapback]250132[/snapback]</div>These bands' choice of a name isn't really a sign of great creativity. And that was an understatement. :whistling:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mighty Midget @ Aug 22 2006, 02:42 AM) [snapback]250110[/snapback]</div>
Heh, I'm from the UK... and there are some really good bands from the UK, but many more terrible ones sadly. The USA also produces very few really good bands these days. That's not to say there are NO good American bands. Just, the vast majority of them seem to be very.. awful. The American sound is very.. commercial these days, and most of the stuff from over there just sounds far too over-produced for me a lot of the time. Even the unknown American bands sound very over-produced! I guess it's just part of the American sound.. but there's really only a handful of American bands I listen to much these days.

I'm really into Scandinavian stuff though. And I have a big liking for Japanese rock music too.

In terms of metal, most of the stuff I listen to comes from Norway, Sweden, Finland, or Germany (of course many other places too, but I think more of the metal bands I listen to are from those countries than anywhere else).

Horoma, you should try listening to Slipknot's "Iowa", if you're in to the whole "wall-of-sound" metal. The entire album manages to have an extremely addictive quality to it, it's hard to sit still while listening to "People = muck".

As for me, I personally hate metal that is absolutely nothing but blank, downtuned sound <_< ; that's why I like Slayer's "God Hates Us All" so much, it's intense, it's gritty, and it has tune! :w00t:

Just a thought bubble i was discussing with my brother.

has anyone noticed how some metal bands ( I do not care what genre they are or if there even not "metal" ) get really toned down, or aren't as good as the first album. After a few albums i noticed Godsmack, Disturbed, Stone Sour and some others i cant remember became less load and less angry sounding.
All i know is godsmacks "Faceless" is crappy, and Disturbed's "10,000 fists" wasn't that heavy.
Stone Sour's new album is just plain good. I can not critisize it at all.

That probably just happens because the idea of experimentation in metal is alive and well...but it isn't always a good thing...

Well Sully Erna from godsmack does have a kid now so i guess thats why they got less heavy. :unsure:

Well sometimes that happens, mostly it's experimentation with sound, especially if it's a debut or second album, but the examples you mentioned all mainstream metal and really it's obvious why they would tone it down, to make it more accessable to the mainstream, for profit. So really it usually half the time happens with bands that want to move to the mainstream, a lot only make minor changes and keep on the style they have been playing.

Excuse me, but because you all seem to know so much about music, there's a question that's been bothering me for a while.

I used to think Linkin Park was the greatest band on earth, I still love their music, but now everywhere I go people are saying they "sold out"...how did they sell out, and what exactly does "selling out" mean?

It means they sold every ticket for their gigs :whistling:

Seriously, it means the band has given up their ideals in favour of (mostly) big money, giving them less artistic control, cred or whatever. I don't know the band, so I wouldn't know if they sold out.

A thing to remember is that most bands evolve. For some fans that is a tough pill to swallow. They want 'their' band to sound the same, record after record, to front the same ideals as before, disregarding the fact that most people, musicians included, grow up and change their view on things. It does not mean by itself that they sold out.

If you look it up, you will find in the entry "sold out", a picture of the Dead Kennedys. They opposed the big music industry with all the empty-minded 'stars' doing nothing but to sell brands, but after they thumped their only political aware member, they hired their guns to comercials. THAT, my friend, is a sell-out. :wallbash:

Or another example was Metallica, their first 4 albums were as has been mentioned serveral times, classic albums. That all changed with the black album where they began to make a more accessible sound of their music. Actually if you want to go back further, they said in the 80's that they will never make a music video, because they didn't like the way mtv protrayed bands, guess what happened in 1989, they made a music video for one, so that was the start. With Load and Reload they went even further mainstream with their sound, now look at them, with their last album St. Anger, they are no longer metal but hard rock, they turned their backs on the fans that got them to the point of getting recognized all for the quick buck.

Linken Park has turned to total mush, i completely gave up with them when they did that collision coarse cRAP. MTV ruins music!

MTV does do that, never listen to them much about their knowledge of metal, as half the time they are wrong on most bands. Especially Headbangers Ball, half the vids on that show are from subpar bands, some of which aren't even metal.

Maybe someday Linkin Park will get back on track and release another Meteora...hopefully...

By the way, let's say I wanted to start listening to Metallica...which album should I get?

Master of puppets or Ride the Lightning?

Master of Puppets imo, that's the pinnacle of their brilliance I think. Ride The Lightning is good but really gets wayy too much praise, it's a great album but not superb.

Personally this is the order you should go about if you want to get into Metallica: Master Of Puppets, Kill Em All, Ride The Lightning, And Justice For All.

Mmkay, will do! :ok:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Heretic @ Aug 22 2006, 09:45 AM) [snapback]250132[/snapback]</div>Virgin Black hasn't been here yet. Only Psycroptic. They were warming up for Nile. (In fact I prefer Psycroptic, especially after hearing them live.) I think they got a lot of new fans at that concert though.

I bet Virgin black would pull in a good crowd. And probably Disembowelment and Destroyer666 too as those are quite known. But I do understand the problem with the money very much. Why can't bands get government support to go touring ? ^_^ "HEY! Here are our bands, see how proud we are of them!"

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DeathDude @ Aug 28 2006, 05:08 AM) [snapback]251329[/snapback]</div>My personal favourite is Kill Em All, but they're all great albums. Just check them all out, no matter what order, and forget all their later crap. :ok:

Okay...now for those of you who even care or listen to Slipknot: Which album is better, their self-titled or Iowa?

I like Iowa better, personally... (no way!:D)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Iowa @ Aug 28 2006, 05:16 PM) [snapback]251494[/snapback]</div>Iowa is probably the better album, but the self titled one and the newer one that I forget the name of are both good too.

As for Metallica, personally I'm not a big fan of any of their stuff (to put it mildly) but I think if you're gonna check out anything by them, get Master of Puppets.

anyone listened to peccatum - strangling from within? man i love the album (from the time when ihsahn was in the band)
i'm gonna try and find The return from bathory... wish me luck LOL

Anyone ever listen to some Kamelot? Just been getting back into some of their albums recently and yeah superb albums, from Karma, to Epica, to their latest with The Black Halo, I totally recommend any metal fan to pick up The Black Halo, as it's a masterpiece, that is going to be hard to top by these guys, but I have faith they will. :)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Cloudy @ Aug 29 2006, 01:39 PM) [snapback]251739[/snapback]</div>Iowa is probably the better album, but the self titled one and the newer one that I forget the name of are both good too.

As for Metallica, personally I'm not a big fan of any of their stuff (to put it mildly) but I think if you're gonna check out anything by them, get Master of Puppets.
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Slipknot's new album is a masterpiece, they managed to write great lyrics and compose stunning music, and it all still has the "Corey Taylor" energy...

I haven't listened to any Stone Sour...are they any good?

stone sour is okay and slipknot suck. cmon... they have some listenable songs, but they're highly overrated. i'm sick of hearing one of my colleagues talking about slipknot.


my favourite band would probably be Cult of Luna... next in the list may be Atreyu, though their last album didn't feel as good as the other ones. I also like Between the Buried and Me and Number Twelve Looks Like You a lot. You guys should also give a listen to Raein, Saetia and Daitro.


by the way, best metallica album ever was ride the lightning followed by and justice for all. i also love master of puppets obviously, but these are my favourites. :P

And I can't stand listening to a whole Iron maiden or manowar album. it bores the hell out of me, same for dragonforce. i know they are very good musicieans... but too much leather-spikes-shred metal bores me.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Iberian Wolf @ Aug 30 2006, 10:30 AM) [snapback]251811[/snapback]</div>I guess you won't laugh at Gwar then? :P LOL

I'll give dragonforce props on their muscianship but don't like their singer, can't stand his voice. Manowar yeah wayy too cheesy, anyone get to hear the new Iron Maiden album? Have only heard 3 tracks off of it, but lot of people saying this is one of their best, some of the really hardcore fans who still think they haven't produced a good album since Somewhere in Time and or Seventh Son are saying finally that it's a great album.

they look like clowns..or some sort of action-heroes...idk

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Iberian Wolf @ Aug 30 2006, 01:30 AM) [snapback]251811[/snapback]</div>Actually, in my opinion all Slipknot songs are listenable, in fact, their songs range from listenable to masterpiece...

Moonstrider : I hadnt imagined that the government would be terribly keen to fund extreme metal acts flying across the globe given its content? Im not saying it would be impossible, just never really considerred it.. i wonder if maybe things are different in Australia, in terms of metals popularity compared to Norway as i hear its really very well known across your way. <?>

Horoma : As with the remark you made concerning Destroyer666 and Hated By Humanity, i dont think that the bands in question were searching for an overly 'creative' title, more so that they were looking for a title that fits their work best. Being familiar with it, i think they were choices very well made. Nice to see another 'noise' listener here also.

As for people asking for opinions on Slipknot, it seems they have gained so much momentum, that theyre so commonly mentioned it can get a little annoying to hear people go on, but more often than not people are spending so much time talking about "How sheet (<---am i gonna get in trouble for that?) they are.. As i said before im not interested in jumping on the "youre cool if you rag on Slipknot wagon"

i think that all their records are really quite unique, and varied album to album.. And that it will come down to the individual to find a preference.

Someone mentioned Peccatum? Which after recieving a promo of the first album i was largely dissapointed with, i felt it had one or two decent tracks..Oh well.

Ill still be interested to hear this project Ihsahn has released (under the same name) but i dont hold particularly high hopes for it..

I know what you mean by it getting annoying listening to people talk about it, believe me, I experience the same thing at my school with System of A Down and Nickelback (both bands i've barely heard any music from).

What I can't seem to figure out though, is exactly how they became so mainstream. I mean, one listen to their title album and Iowa can surely tell you that it isn't exactly "casual listener" friendly...did they by any chance happen to go mainstream with their new album?

Thats an interesting question actually, and i can only really speculate as to why they recieved such attention. I dont really know much about the band even, just the very occasional thing that i have read, but anyway..

I suppose from the get go, that their sound on the demo was very promising, and that at no stage in those days did Slipknot really have any clones, nor do i think they attempted to clone other bands - so they had invariably their own, unique sound. Closest to it might have been something like Korn, Deftones, or some of those other Numetal bands i guess? (Not sure!)

Following that, i think they were signed directly to Roadrunner, which is a giant company and produces alot of more mainstream metal music, has the funds to promote and finance a band on a massive scale etc.

Then theres the content in general in the music, which at the time seemed to really cut back to the bone so to speak, on the level that it was so harsh and aggresive, yet strangely catchy. Engaging lyrical content, consisting of hatred, isolation, depression and self empowerment. So i think theres certainly a number of people out there able to identify with these elements.

Last but not least, theres the big fiasco concerning the masks, that so many people figured it to be a gimmick, and though i personally dont see it that way, regardless wether it was a gimmick or not, it does make one take a second glance at the bands image.

And i guess it just all really became an avalanche from the very beginning, that when bands do something rather unique, or different, it causes controversy, and so theres all a sudden this big stir about it and seems more and more people wanted to see what the big deal was. So i guess from here you have people who think this 'big deal' is overrated or ridiculous or whatever.. But i dont really believe that the band set out with this scale of popularuty in mind. Though of course i could be wrong, i really dont care, as im listening to it as music. And am not terribly interested in the 'politics' or whatever involved with it.

<edit> as with their new record, i assume you mean "The Subliminal Verses" - some might take it as a more commercial album actually, as theres many elements on the album that might suggest so. Though Corey's voice sounds in parts like its worn away a little, and the production on the sound is quite different than in the past. As for these elements i mentioned : Accoustic parts, clean vocal harmonies, piano, guitar solos, new approach to writing, No swearing in the lyrics, and even a track which sounds like a country song! (No really!!)

All things they had never before attempted, and for one i think the result was excellent. That theyve pushed the boundaries in not just metal, but music itself. And also have flipped off everyone that tried to 'pigeon hole' or box away this band into what they think they know about Slipknot. This album definately requires personal opinion, and i think its with that in mind that i like it so much. Because if you dont have at least that, then you have less than nothing.

Just picked up the new Dream Theater Live DVD 20th Anniversary, Score, incredible is the only way to describe it, lots of great songs, one from each album except octavarium which was their latest. What was great about this one is that they play the entire Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulance (Which is 42 mins long) with an orchestra, after that the remaining songs used the orchestra too, including Octavrium (24 mins of epic goodness :)) everyone in the band was solid on their parts, great DVD for any fans of the band and would definitely put it as one of the best live dvds of all time. 2 disc too which comes with a history of the band and bonus tracks never seen before on their live work.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Iberian Wolf @ Aug 30 2006, 09:30 AM) [snapback]251811[/snapback]</div>Cult of Luna are... utterly incredible.


Atreyu are... incredibly bad in my opinion :bleh:


Although I never thought I'd hear the two bands in the same sentence.. they're at completely opposite ends of the metal spectrum :max:

I love Cult of Luna though.. the way they mix post-rock-esque soundscapes with heavy doom metal is just beautiful and brutal at the same time.

I've tried to listen to Atreyu, but they always came across to me as a bit of a trendcore band. The vocals and lyrics are pretty awful, and the songs just sound painful to me. Although I do like the song 'lip gloss and black', it has a nice piano section if I recall correctly.

Well, Ateryu's not even metal to begin with. :P And from what I've heard not even that great at what they do, way overrated band.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Iowa @ Aug 31 2006, 03:26 AM) [snapback]251995[/snapback]</div>I think it's because they were around at the height of Nu-Metal when bands like Linkin Park and Limp Bizkit were doing quite well in the charts, but Slipknot are much heavier and more 'metal' than either of those bands.

I remember that Iowa was a number 1 album here in the UK, (where the number 1 album is usually some form of pop or some singer/songwriter thing). Although I think Limp Bizkit might have got a number 1 album with the Chocolate Starfish one, and I remember Staind's 'Break the Cycle' got there too.

So I believe that it was to do with the fact that Nu-Metal had brought rock and metal music back into the mainstream eye at that time, and bands like Slipknot were able to enjoy success off the back of that. My local radio station even played their songs a few times! They don't usually play anything heavier than the Goo Goo Dolls, heh.

What I don't understand is people calling Linkin Park and Limp Bizkit metal...they aren't even really nu-metal in my opinion, Limp Bizkit is just straight up rap (very good rap, in my opinion) and Linkin Park is alt-rock.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Iowa @ Sep 1 2006, 01:12 AM) [snapback]252199[/snapback]</div>
The proble is some iluminate, that don´t understand music say all kind of rocks it´s all the same, but they are wrong, and Metal is not rock.... :angry:

Oh there is a ton of bands that are called metal and the media loves to say it too, which makes it worse. Yeah Linkin park would prob actually call them more nu-metal, but not close to metal, Korn same is nu-metal, System of a down nu-metal, guns and roses hard rock not metal, AC/DC/ hard rock not metal, Tool progressive rock, or even hard rock, close to metal but not quite. So many more could list, cause yeah lot of places assume well it's a heavy sound must be metal.

Yeah...metal often falls victim to shameless mislabeling...

Indeed MTV and VH1 do that very often. It's a shame cause really they assume so much from certain bands, when really they should check around and see more often than not the so called bands they label are metal some are not.

But it's been good to see the last year that metal is hitting it's resurrangence thanks to in part to strong well known bands, which is causing other more obsecure bands to be checked out, granted for a lot of the cases, it's now happening like 10 or even more years after they started but least it's happening.

You couldn't have said it any better.

But lots of people who listen to metal would also listen to some of those listed there, so i guess thats why the media boxes them in with metal.

ooh BTW theres a new Mushroomhead cd coming out :w00t:
sadly i don't think J Mann is with the band anymore.

Indeed the main thing is what do the media outlets consider metal honestly, seems from what I see anything that has a really heavy sound. They sometimes get it right, but sometimes with bands like Ateryu, Linkin Park, Korn etc... they are way off the mark. Really should do some better research as it's the way songs are structured, chord progression and such that determines whether a band is metal or not, but till that happens they will continue to do so and really metal never was meant to be mainstream anyway, if you look back to when it was Black Sabbath, Motorhead, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest etc... grew from the underground, the fact that some bands now like Maiden or Priest get exposure today just shows there is an interest to show those bands for the hard work they have done for all the years they were performing.

What I don't understand is the difference between nu-metal and rap-metal. They're basically the same thing, I always thought that nu-metal was unique sound like Korn's, not Linkin Park or LB, they're more in the rap-metal column...aren't they?


A new Mushroomhead CD? :w00t: :max:

They are similar it's more in terms of what's added like more hiphop and rap, but again it's instrumentation, where there is more heaviness with nu-metal but with the other sorts of elements, like SlipKnot occasionly does which put them in the nu-metal category. Granted the bottom line is any band that falls in either or won't be seen as a true metal band, as if you look around different forums on the net not too many of the hardcore fans that will acknowledge these genres or give much if any praise.

Ah, I see. I personally think it's stupid to set yourself on liking one thing so much, that you lose the ability to even try new things and enjoy them...

Indeed well as is the case with some, that's probably the only genre of music they may listen to. Also when they hear talk of other bands like let's say Ateryu, Korn and the like getting labeled as metal by others, that's what probably annoys them, the thing is it does happen often where someone will come on a board like at gamefaqs and start asking what they think of Slipknot, and it just goes off from there.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(little fish @ Sep 1 2006, 01:15 AM) [snapback]252200[/snapback]</div>
The proble is some iluminate, that don´t understand music say all kind of rocks it´s all the same, but they are wrong, and Metal is not rock.... :angry:
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We could argue for years about this and not come to any conclusions. I can't be bothered arguing about genres any more, it's too much of a subjective thing. Everyone has their own ideas.

I don't know how you could possibly argue that metal is not rock though... that one baffles me.

Easy, we can argue about it because metal isn't rock!

Metal=

-double-pedal bass drum
-two guitars
-insanely fast solos
-a wall of sound
-grating vocals


Rock=

-harmonic music/vocals
-one guitar
-repeated chorus instead of solos

Well metal does owe some of it's sound and influences to rock, like Led Zepplin which was a big early outside influence on metal, but there are differences still usually most of the cases is instrumentation like has been said, dual guitar rthyums, double bass drums, fair amount of double kick, different vocal styles from harsh to clean, and just different ways of expressing the music, through long and drawn out passages with many melodies (progressive) lots of sound where the guitar and keyboard take the forefront (power) or blistering fast riffs and heavy drums (Thrash).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Iowa @ Sep 3 2006, 05:52 AM) [snapback]252521[/snapback]</div>That is certainly not a way to classify rock music, since it has so many different subtypes just like metal, your classification would count out the whole progressive rock genre for example...
IMO metal is tightly linked to rock and is a sort of evolution from it, just like rock evolved from blues and etc.

Let's see then...

It doesn't have to have that.
Again, not necessary.
Again, many metal bands don't even play solos.
True in most cases.
Not necessarily, metal can have very clean vocals too.

Metol can be harmonic too.
There are rock bands with three guitarists that I can think of.
Not necessarily. Some metal bands follow this song structure also.


The way I see it, metal IS rock. But rock is not necessarily metal.

Let me elaborate.

There is one big genre: rock music. Within rock, there are many subgenres: Metal is one of these subgenres, along with punk rock, progressive rock, glam rock, modern rock, whatever-else-rock...

And it can be differentiated further: there are various subgenres within the metal subgenre itself: traditional metal, progressive metal, death metal, industrial metal, alternative metal, doom metal, etc.

You could go even further than this, for example within the doom metal subgenre there is traditional doom, sludge doom, stoner doom, funeral doom, drone doom, etc. An example, many people don't consider Sunn 0)) a metal band, but they DO fit firmly in the drone doom subgenre.

Another example, look at Atreyu; many people do not consider them a metal band at all, and they're not, in the traditional sense. But they ARE a metalcore band (metalcore being being a hybrid of metal and hardcore punk influences), and their sound clearly puts them into this genre (although if you want to check out metalcore, there are much better bands to listen to than Atreyu, who are quite frankly terrible).

Ok, I've ramnled on long enough, and it's more than likely that someone's going to come back here and disagree with me immediately, so I'm going to shut up now :bleh:

That's a first I've heard of Sunn 0)) not being called a metal band, many of the boards I have frequent say they are a metal band moreso than other bands.

Ateryu may be part of the metalcore genre but that's not part of the metal genre at all it's been practically accepted by most people on metal boards if ya look around, just like nu-metal isn't either, really annoys me when I see their albums in the metal section cause they don't belong there.

Metal does indeed owe some of it's influences from rock, but yeah they both have there crossovers with instrumentation and the such. Some aspects like dual melodies originated from metal though, that you can owe to Judas Priest, it was Iron Maiden who took it further with their albums of having a dual guitar sound, and they were one of the first well known bands to integrate 3 rhythum tracks together. But they have there similarities that's for sure, look at progressive rock and progressive metal, essentially very similar with many bands owing some of their influences to progressive rock acts like Pink Floyd, Deep Purple, Yes, and so on.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DeathDude @ Sep 3 2006, 08:08 PM) [snapback]252570[/snapback]</div>Many people cite the lack of drums/solos/general structure as enough to exclude them from the genre.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DeathDude @ Sep 3 2006, 08:08 PM) [snapback]252570[/snapback]</div>I agree to an extent, metalcore is somewhere between hardcore and metal, and it's difficult to group it in with one or the other. I think a lot of the original metalcore bands are closer to punk, but a lot of the modern bands are closer to metal (in my opinion of course).

As for the metal section thing, I take it you're talking about record stores? I can only speak for the UK, but in record stores here there's usually a 'Rock/Pop' section, and a 'Metal' section (as well as 'Urban' and 'Electronic/Dance') but that's all. This generally means loads of bands are in sections they don't really belong in. Never mind Atreyu, in the metal section you'll find bands like Blink182 and Jimmy Eat World, as well as most of the punk bands...

bla bla bla.. you want metal? then you should listen to this http://rapidshare.de/files/31859322/BEZNA_...onului.mp3.html

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Himmler @ Sep 3 2006, 11:13 PM) [snapback]252587[/snapback]</div>Pah, it won't let be download because rapidshare thinks I'm a bot...

LOL!?

anyway it's trv black metal :D

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Himmler @ Sep 3 2006, 11:31 PM) [snapback]252589[/snapback]</div>Sounds good to me ^_^

Ah, fine, your theory makes sense and i'm not in the mood to argue anymore. You win...

By the way, what the hell is stoner metal?

Yeah whoops meant in music stores. Yeah here where I live they do the same thing, rock, metal, rap/r&b, classical, so yeah bunch of bands end up in the metal section that shouldn't be there, Ateryu, Korn, System Of a down, Slipknot, heck even Steve Vai is in metal oddly enough.

Impossible to name only one: Amorphis, Nightwish, Sentenced and To/Die/For are the first ones that came to my mind.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Iowa @ Sep 4 2006, 04:02 AM) [snapback]252604[/snapback]</div>Stoner metal... I'm not good at describing genres but it's usually quite riff oriented, with low guitars, and some solos, and a quite slow pace to the music (told you my descriptions sucked...).

Some bands would be Down, Kyuss, some Black Sabbath, Orange Goblin, Electric Wizard.

EDIT: Forgot to mention one of the best known stoner bands: Queens of the Stone Age

Heh didn't know that was an actual genre, granted haven't heard a bunch of those bands, anyways since half don't interest me, minus Sabbath, which going to pick up one of these days, but going to start with the dio years, mob rules and more, since big fan of Dio.

Kamelot's live DVD coming out October 30th, whoo excited for that, and Iced Earth's Live In Athens also coming out on dvd later not sure when, but also will be sweet since that's like one of the best live shows of all time. Plus gigantour's dvd comes out tomorrow, picking it up mainly for the Dream Theater tracks, and Megadeth moreso, but the Nevermore and Symphony X stuff will also will be cool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tVKRs4kfqc...ted&search=
darkthrone - too old too cold (MASTERPIECE :D)

By they way, I just got two new metal CDs: Mudvayne's "Lost and Found" and Slayer's "Reign In Blood"...the latter is awesome, but I have my concerns about the former.

To any Mudvayne fans or knowledgables reading this: what happened? I went in expecting stuff like LD 50, because tracks off that album are the only Mudvayne i've ever heard...and what I ended up with was harmony, singing...acoustics...how could this be Mudvayne? From what i've heard, all the tracks are like this except "Determined" (which, for the record, rocks).

I know that bands sometimes change their styles, such as Slipknot's "Volume 3"...but this smells an awful lot like a sell-out...

But I don't have many concerns about Reign, lightning fast guitar, satanic lyrics, Tom Araya, Kerry King...i'm happy.

Yeah Reign in blood is indeed a pinnacle album for Slayer, but most of those famous guitar licks Jeff Hanneman actually credited to him, he's the one who came up with most during the early and later days, Kerry has been playing the same solos for the last 20 years and think he's soooo good, needs to wake up and realize adding wah to a solo does not make you good.

But you have to admit he pulled of some truly memorable stuff in God Hates Us All, they're the best i've heard him do, and I don't mean by a standard of speed, a solo is nothing if it's lightning fast and sounds crappy, no, the solos in "Disciple", "God Send Death", and "Here Comes the Pain" are awesome...

Just a side note: That solo in Iron Maiden's "The Trooper", especially the last bit by Dave Murray... wow. How did he came up with that weird, spooky cry?

Actually minus one song in God Hates Us All that's one of their worst albums imo, he's been doing the same sort of soloing for 20 years and thinking he's some sort of guitar king, and bashing people like Dave Mustaine from Megadeth who can easily outsolo Kerry any day of the week, plenty of much better guitarists
John Petrucci, Joe Satriani, Steve Vai, Jeff Lomis, Micheal Romero, Luca Turilli, easily skate circles around Kerry, they know how to solo.

Murray's solo is masterful in The Trooper, no idea how he did it, but awesome, heck Adrian's is really good in that song, not his best but it sounds killer today when they dual solo it with him and Janick doing it.

Back to the mudvayne, yes i was also extremely disappointed with "Lost and Found" i bought it the day it came out because i heard determined so many times and i was expecting something great and it didn't happen.

If ya want old fashioned mudvayne check out MuDvAyNe:Live Dosage DVD, its great. They do "Nothing to gein" (which is my favorite song of theres) on it so well. :kosta:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DeathDude @ Sep 8 2006, 06:29 AM) [snapback]253683[/snapback]</div>Wow, Kerry's being very inconsiderate...I don't like that, but I do like his music. Why does every one hate GHUA so much? It's awesome, I mean, just listening to New Faith renews my hatred for religion!

By the way, you'll all be pleased to hear that i'm getting two new CDs this weekend: Mudvayne's "L.D. 50" and Metallica's "Kill 'Em All" (i'm taking whoever reccomended that's advice).

Good choice with Kill Em All, is a great album all around, and if ya like that one, you can move on to Ride The Lightning or Master Of Puppets, personally like Master bit more but both still good.

Parkway Drive and Arsis FTW!

Hmm... metal... I used to listen it when I was younger. Now it's not interesting for me anymore, although I still keep a few albums just to remember what I used to like. Now I listen to synth-pop, ebm, industrial and so on. I was always fond of metal which have used synths a lot so it was quite natural for me to go towards synth-based music. I even have basic synth at home and compose some old-school tracker-ish music from time to time for myself. I always keep an eye on mixed metal and electronic projects, especially sort of Vigilante where synthesizers play major role while guitars only provide metallish background. Front Line Assembly is also very interesting project, it was a first ebm band I heard, eventually it became my favourite and it was also bridge from metal to synth music.

Currently I don't listen to metal music, with exception of one unique band: Machinae Supremacy. I guess there is no need of explanation here at Abandonia. :-)

who are they? o.O

www.machinaesupremacy.com

Just listen to their music, most of it is avaliable freely from their website in high quality vorbis ogg format, you'll surely recognize some motives from good ol' classics, all that wrapped into some sort of weird power metal with lots of synthesizers and their special toy: modified SID chip synth (yea, the c64 music chip). Some tracks are purely instrumental, some have vocals, some don't even have guitars at all. Lyrics are even game-related (like "Player One" song). Just listen...

p.s. I thought MASU (short-hand sort-of-abbriveation for Machinae Supremacy) is well-known here... :-)

well I'm sorry to admit this but ive been listening to Six Feet Under recently, mostly covers songs. Whats funny is his singing is so bad its enjoyable like a B rated movie. The only songs ive heard that aren't a cover, that are tolerable is "Shadow of the Reaper" and "Amerika the Brutal". There pretty good.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Shunk Eat Enemy @ Sep 9 2006, 11:51 PM) [snapback]254026[/snapback]</div>Find "haunted" album, it doesn't contain covers and I must say it's pretty damn good, well at least it was so when I used to listen to that sort of music.

Hey Shunk, is L.D. 50 the best Mudvayne album, or what? (I really don't know, haven't got it yet).

Industrial metal isn't bad at all, Marilyn Manson is awesome! :titan:

LOL.

No, really.

he only has a good strategy. he's horrible and created a pokemon generation.
every time i see/hear him i can't stop :hysterical:

I wouldn't say its the best, they could really do without the tracks that aren't really songs because there way to long, and annoying.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Treewyrm @ Sep 9 2006, 02:53 PM) [snapback]253930[/snapback]</div>Oooh free tunes! Yay!

You said you liked some synth-oriented metal-type-stuff... sounds interesting to me, i like random experimental stuff. Got any recommendations?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Himmler @ Sep 10 2006, 10:32 AM) [snapback]254211[/snapback]</div>Okay, I admit, he does look a bit hilarious sometimes, but he does have good music, I mean, right now i'm listening to "The Beautiful People"...

well i didn't mean only his appearance...cause i'm used to it(black metal!?)
well you can't see him from my perspective cause we ...see things from a different angle.and hear LOL

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Himmler @ Sep 10 2006, 05:32 PM) [snapback]254211[/snapback]</div>his looks is this to me (not his music) he is the most transsexual looking man, I have ever seen. But his music is good :) (well his covers are, anyway) :)

good point...COVERS!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Himmler @ Sep 11 2006, 05:14 PM) [snapback]254454[/snapback]</div>Sweet Dreams (are made of this), and Tainted Love, and PJ aka. personal Jesus :D :) :brain:

Ill second TreeWyrms opinion about "Haunted" by Six Feet Under as their best work.. but still, I got really tired of Six feet under all the same, i found it didnt really have very much 'drive' after a while..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(WolverineDK @ Sep 11 2006, 10:45 AM) [snapback]254461[/snapback]</div>Sweet Dreams (are made of this), and Tainted Love, and PJ aka. personal Jesus :D :) :brain:
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I don't like Tainted Love, but those two are good...Dope Hat is addiction in song form...

If you want a band that does superb covers, Dream Theater is the band, they have done a ton, and too much to name so you can see all the covers they've done here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_songs...y_Dream_Theater

Noteables though are Iron Maidens- The Number Of The Beast, the entire album, Metallica-Master Of Puppets, the entire album and Pink Floyd's- Dark Side of the Moon, the entire album.

I listen gothic metal/rock/electro. Im slowing down when getting older.. :)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Morrin @ Sep 16 2006, 12:10 PM) [snapback]255338[/snapback]</div> :blink: Slowing down? :blink: As I got older I rather sped it up. You know, Kiss when I was 10, Exploited and Dead Kennedys by the time I was in my 20s... LARD...

^_^ I'm still all for steady pace rock'n'roll. AC/DC and the Ramones are still among my fav bands. Don't listen to metal that much, a bit of old Iron Maiden, Sabbath... I gave the BM a go, but I found it too pointless :huh:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DeathDude @ Sep 12 2006, 03:27 AM) [snapback]254528[/snapback]</div>I loved the Elton John cover they did on the A Change Of Seasons CD.

I heard a while back that a couple of those full-album covers that they did at gigs are bootlegged.. I would love to hear them to The Number Of The Beast ^_^

I heard one song they did from the Number Of The Beast album, and it was Children Of The Damned, not a bad cover have to say, here's master of puppets they did when they were doing the entire Master Of Puppets album.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAfgRb3X0NE

As for the albums, ya can get them off their own label YtseJam Records, here.

http://www.ytsejamrecords.com/default.asp

So let me get this straight, Iron Maiden's "Number of the Beast" and Metallica's "Master of Puppets" are pretty much Slayer's "Reign In Blood"? (That being their most appraised album)

Well for Metallica that is probably their generally regarded best album. Iron Maiden that's debateable although The Number Of The Beast is generally regarded as their best, there is a lot of praise for Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son, and Powerslave as well, those two are regarded just as high.

Hmm...

What's your least favorite metal band? Mine would probably have to be...I dunno, what i've heard of Arch Enemy is pretty crappy...

No waii!? There old stuff may be crap but there newest album (Doomsday machine) is very good IMO.

EDIT

I think Dir En Grey is the crappest band i've heard. I saw them at Family Values Tour yesterday, and there terriable. I enjoy bands that sing in different languages but Japanesse just isn't good for heavy metal.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Shunk Eat Enemy @ Sep 19 2006, 03:26 AM) [snapback]255963[/snapback]</div>Hey!

Dir en grey are one of my favourite bands ever! There is so much variety to their music, so many different influences from punk rock, metalcore, electronic, there's even a few piano ballads. Their vocalist has one of the best voices ever, he can do so many different styles, from singing to screaming. And the interplay between the two guitarists is incredible, they are almost never playing the same thing, sometimes playing completely different things, but it always sounds beautiful. The lyrics are also very good, if you can find translations of them, they are very cryptic at times and sometimes have several different meanings for one song.

Anyways if you were expecting a metal band you probably would hate them, cos.. what can I say? They're not a metal band. Their recent stuff is somewhat metalcore influenced, but they still are very hard to pin down into one genre.



EDIT

As for metal bands that I don't really like.

Hmm.

Metallica for one. Although their older stuff is decent-ish.

I don't like new In Flames much, although their old stuff is ok.

Trivium are awful.

Exodus are pretty awful too from what I've heard.

Yeah new Metallica since Load has stunk and agree with new In Flames, their older stuff is much much better, although Come Clarity their last album was decent not superb but decent, my least fav band though right now, Dragonforce cause of their awful vocalist bleh.

Just a side note on Iron Maiden: Some also hail "Piece of Mind" (sic) as their greatest album.... I tend to agree :)

It is one of my favourites too. :) But compared to Powerslave and Seventh Son, lot more people like those albums than Piece of Mind unfortunately, (Songs that hurt Piece of mind unfortunately is the too chessy quest for fire and To Tame A Land which isn't that great of an epic compared to other written by Steve Harris) least from many of the posts have seen on different boards, another one that also gets a lot of praise forgot to mention was Somewhere in Time, another stellar album.

So...if I may be so bold as to ask for guidance from all of you: what are some bands slightly reminiscent to Fear Factory, Mudvayne, or Slayer that you think i'd like?

Oh, and I forgot to mention Rammstein as one of my favorites, those guys freaking rock! :w00t:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Iowa @ Sep 19 2006, 12:15 AM) [snapback]255949[/snapback]</div>HA HA HA! LOL

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Iowa @ Sep 20 2006, 02:59 AM) [snapback]256172[/snapback]</div>Rammstein are a great band, their live show is incredible too hehe ^_^

One of my life's dreams is to go to one of those...

Mine would be to go to an Iron Maiden show, it's breathtaking with the amount of hardcore fans, if only they would visit Western Canada, sigh.

I know this girl who got to see Iron Maiden live...the only reason she really went was because Funeral For A Friend were the support act! It's so unfair! I hate Funeral For A Friend.

It's not much better this tour either, they got Trivium opening for them in Europe and Bullet For My Valentine in North America, bleh on the support bands, but really who goes to see a support band at an Iron Maiden Concert. :P Very few people.

Granted would be nice if they got someone like Megadeth like they did in 98 or even during the Brave New World Tour with Queensryche and Halford.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mighty Midget @ Sep 16 2006, 10:19 AM) [snapback]255340[/snapback]</div> :blink: Slowing down? :blink: As I got older I rather sped it up. You know, Kiss when I was 10, Exploited and Dead Kennedys by the time I was in my 20s... LARD...

^_^ I'm still all for steady pace rock'n'roll. AC/DC and the Ramones are still among my fav bands. Don't listen to metal that much, a bit of old Iron Maiden, Sabbath... I gave the BM a go, but I found it too pointless :huh:
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By slowing down, I meant that I have started to listen music that is usually slower, darker, less agressive, moodier. But that's just the top of the iceberg. I listen a lot of music, not just metal.

maan i went to tiamat... so coool :D

Well, last night I went to my first concert, nothing big, just a local band. Their name is "Awkward Silence" and they're pretty heavy...kind of a mix of Fear Factory and new Mudvayne.

We started moshing...fun...

i headbanged over some girls :D pretty funny...for me LOL almost swallowed a boot :D

Moshing? LOL That is fun, no lie. I went to see the Exploited a couple of years back, and the other fellows in the crowd had like 3 feet spikes pointing in every direction. A wonder noone was maimed hahaha. At that time I weighted in at about 120 kg, it was a mess... but a laugh.

Moshing/Circle pits can be good and bad. When I went to Kreator earlier this year it was an adults only show and that moshing and circle pits were alright, least when you got knocked down someone would help you back up, true metal fans who know all about it, not the idea to injure everyone around you.

When went to Opeth/Dark Tranquality/DevilDriver, it was an all ages show, and geez very agressive, when the moshing started, people would fall down and good luck getting back up, no one helped you up, very agressive and lots of emos that's also prob why, crazy. :tai:

I hate moshing it completely ruined my whole experience when i had ochestra seats and wanted to get to the front to see korn but all the drunk retards were moshing so i had to be in the back. Thats why I dont ever want pit tickets again. Thanks for ruining the concert MOSH TARDS! :tai:

No wonder why I protect my sister at concerts. Even though she is my bigsister, but since I am higher (and bigger) then it is my duty to protect her from the stupid mosher tards. Heck last time there were some woman, giving me a scolding, just because my sister wanted to see David Gahan. And we werent even close to the stage in Parken.

And well, I think my sisters claustrophobia, is worse than mine, but I take it easy at times. When it comes to concerts. But sometimes, like the Depeche Mode concert in Aarhus , damn I was SO close punching some guy in the face. When we were in the train, where people were so close to eachother, that not even Japanese rush hour trainrides. Can be compared.

When we moshed at that concert, I had no idea what was coming...I was just headbanging with the rest, right up infront of the amps ( :titan: ) and then all of a sudden, a senior smashed into me and I literally flew through the air!...First time i've ever been airborne like that...fun...

There weren't many injuries because the people in the circle didn't just want to hurt people, and I knew about 3/4 of them.

My friend went to Ozzfest and told me all about the huge moshpits where everybody runs around in a giant circle...someday i'll get to go...someday...

Yup that's a circle pit, where basically everyone goes around in a circle, can be fun depending on the crowd, as most "real" metal fans know that the purpose is not to hurt your fellow fans but just keep with the energy of the music.

Ew Ozzfest, that is turning to be one of the most hyped with hardly any good bands now, they used to have some great additions, now it's just half the time nu-metal/metalcore bands, and even then charging high ticket prices, I hope that festival stops at some point it's just turning into a cash grab now, much better ones are up and coming, Gigantour for one, the Unholy Alliance tour with Slayer, Children Of Bodom, Lamb Of God and Mastadon also this year was pretty good so I heard.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Himmler @ Sep 24 2006, 07:16 PM) [snapback]257153[/snapback]</div>Tiamat is one of the best bands ever!

yeah..i liked the show although i listen almost exclusevly extreme metal :D
"The Sleeping Beauty" and "Gaia" were the most appreciated

I guess you haven't heard of the wall of death? It's alot worse.

how's that? do they hold handsor something and sing Kumbaya?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Horoma @ Aug 21 2006, 06:54 PM) [snapback]249992[/snapback]</div><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Morrin @ Sep 27 2006, 11:23 AM) [snapback]257665[/snapback]</div>;)

I like tiamat's "Skeleton skeletron" and "Judas Christ" most

There should be an option for "used to".

well you can always vote for It sucks :P

btw: some videos with the show in romania http://www.youtube.com/results?search_quer...p;search=Search
there were also a crew filming but idk where i can see the video

I'm just getting into Mastodon, I downloaded a few tracks from Blood Mountain. I especially like "Crystal Skull"...

I just LOVE metal
Favorite band: Tristania
Kinda metal/operish :ok:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Himmler @ Sep 27 2006, 08:19 PM) [snapback]257831[/snapback]</div>A wall of death is where they split the crowd and make them charge each other. I saw Stampin' Ground do it when I was doing security at a local gig called Uxfest in 2004. It was great. One idiot decided to stand in the middle and he got sandwiched.

The list is missing Brittain's finest: Iron Maiden!
Also missing: Manowar, HammerFall, Stratovarius, Death, Saxon, Immortal, Queensrÿche, Helloween, Entombed, Pantera, Exodus, Vader, ...


Slipknot; worst band ever!!! Still angry they closed Graspop Metal Meeting on Saturday last year (headliner should've been Slayer, they deserve it, not those masked wannabes!)

For the last time, I wrote this poll at 11:30 at night and just wrote down the bands that immediately appeared in my head.

But I do agree with you on the Slayer deserving the opening instead of Slipknot, but 'Knot doesn't suck, they're just different than all the rest of the metal bands. [a little]

P.S.: for anybody that would know, what is GWAR's best album?

My fav. metal band is not even listed there...it's Dream Theater. But I listen to tons of other stuff, all genres.

Whoo another Dream Theater fan. :brain: Yeah Dream Theater is one of my favourite bands, just incredible all around, every member of the band is like tops in their category.

Have ya gotten a chance Xikarita to see "score" dvd of their 20th anniversary live performance yet? Just an amazing show honestly everyone was perfect that night, one of the best live dvds of all time, imo. :kosta:

Actually, and even though I acknowledge their extreme technical skill, that's not the main reason why I like them.

It's the way they manage to sound emotional despite of all that virtuoso stuff. Petrucci's lyrics can be so profound. Check out ''As I Am'', that's just how I feel.

Totally agree, they have some really strong songs for emotion, Hollow Years is one of my favs for that, and yeah As I am another strong song, as is Innocence Faded another great track off awake, Petrucci is one of the strongest writers in the group for lyrics, but Portnoy also can write some good ones like his twelve step program he is writing in the albums (The Glass Prison, This Dying Soul, The Root of All Evil.)

Now hear this: GWAR has the most twisted/weirdest metal lyrics on the planet.

...IMO, of course.

Anyone here like/heard of Gojira?

Never heard of them...

The new Negura Bunget album (OM) is great :D too bad it's so short

I've been getting into some Pain of Salvation recently picked up their album The Perfect Element Part 1, amazing progressive metal, just a very talented band, what makes them even more interesting is that every album they have made are all concept albums and not silly concepts but based on real things like childhood, love, war, and other ideas, ranks up there with Dream Theater and Symphony X imo. :D

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Himmler @ Oct 9 2006, 03:57 AM) [snapback]260141[/snapback]</div>Ha, i'll second that.

I just borrowed a bunch of CDs from one of my friends, some of them that I can remember are Seether's "Karma and Effect" Dope's "American Apathy" and Spineshank's "The Height of Callousness".

Seether is actually quite good...

Dope? *groan* Spineshank ain't that great either. Dunno about Seether. I think they're screamo/hardcore, though, not metal.

Seether is the closest thing to emo that I like so far...and the one song that i've heard from Spineshank is awesome! (New Disease).

Why does everybody hate Dope? They're not the worst band in the world...

Seether is most deafinitely not screamo, i have no clue where you got that idea but i dont listen to them at all anyway.
Spineshank, Ive heard 3 songs, smothered (very good IMO), Begining of the End (also great) and New Disease which sounds like mushed up noises and crap.

Dope? *shudders* i just cant stand rap elements and heavy metal, besides i cant even relate to there lyrics...
i mean F**K the police? wow...

Anyone heard of Shine Down? I cant stand them, but all my freinds are raving about them sorta. I saw them live. There singer is absolutely obnoxious with the way he drags everything out.

Come on now, you have to at least admit that "Bitch" is cool!

"The one I love, I hate, but the sex is great!"

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(chainsoar @ Oct 14 2006, 01:40 AM) [snapback]261170[/snapback]</div><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Iowa @ Oct 14 2006, 11:28 PM) [snapback]261312[/snapback]</div>
Seether are an awesome band, but they are neither metal, hardcore, emo, or screamo, they're a post-grunge band haha. I thought everyone knew that.


Recently I've been listening to some Ataraxie, Raventhrone and Via Mistica stuff. All good bands ^_^ Ataraxie are a French doom/death metal band, Raventhrone are epic black/gothic metal and Via Mistica are gothic metal.

This thread seems to have died somehow! Talk people :P

Going to see Opeth + Paradise Lost next week, kinda looking forward to that ^_^

I downloaded "Beast and the Harlot" by Avenged Sevenfold and I love the riff at the beginning...but the vocals make me lose respect for that band entirely. Rule number one of metal: you do NOT put in soft vocals at innapropriate times.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Iowa @ Nov 1 2006, 12:36 AM) [snapback]264704[/snapback]</div>
I liked Avenged Sevenfold when they played metalcore, but I hate their newest album (the one with Beast and the Harlot on it). The musicianship is good and there's some great riffs, but the vocals are absolutely terrible. And the band completely changed their style of music from metalcore with prog elements, to basically something that sounds like a rip off of Guns 'n' Roses (who were awful to start with).

I don't mind bands changing their style a bit from time to time, in fact I like it generally, but in Sevenfold's case they changed their style to a more mainstream sound upon signing to a major record label (which just screams 'sell-out'), and in the process they completely alienated most of their original fanbase (you might notice most fans of the old stuff hate the new stuff, and vice versa).

I'm also getting sick of seeing them trying to look tough in their videos and in photos in magazines all the time. To me they have become a band that is very much 'style over substance'.


But if you want to hear something good by the band, listen to 'I Won't See You Tonight' parts 1 and 2, from the 'Waking the Fallen' album. Part 1 is softer, with lots of piano and soft vocals (his singing was never very good, but he did used to be a bit better than he is now), and part 2 is harder with lots of screaming. It's a great song.

*Sigh* Whatever happened to style and substance?

...Ah well, at least we've got those few left with the courage not to sell out (Rammstein, Slayer).

There's a lot of bands that still haven't sold out, Ramenstein is not even metal first off, close but no cigar.

The tops being Iron Maiden which has both style and substance still to this very day and they are still going strong 80 mil albums and counting, then you can add bands like Dream Theater, Megadeth, Kamelot, Pain Of Salvation, Ayreon, Symphony X, Nevermore, Strapping Young Lad, Queensryche, Kreator, and many more. Most of these bands finally getting the exposure they deserve but it's not because of changing their music to fit a more mainstream audience it's just building up a fanbase through the years.

Whereas bands like Trivium, Mastadoon and others are in a way selling out, for the hits.

Post-grunge? Seether? No way! Have you been imbibing hallucinogenic substances of some kind or what? Translation - Are you on crack?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(chainsoar @ Nov 3 2006, 01:26 PM) [snapback]265163[/snapback]</div>What? They ARE post-grunge, I don't see how you can argue with that. Have you ever heard the band?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DeathDude @ Nov 2 2006, 09:53 PM) [snapback]265087[/snapback]</div>Mastodon selling out? Isn't Blood Mountain their newest album? Because if so, then from what i've heard of it, it's sure no Lost and Found (hence "The Wolf Is Loose").

Whoops Mastadoon LOL my bad ignore what I said, they aren't close to selling out, mental lapse think I had, anyways my point was that there is a lot of bands who haven't come close to selling out.

Yeah, I know...but it seems like it sometimes...

I love Metal, especially Black, Doom, Prog-Sympho; and naturally Heavy.

My favourite bands are :

Iron Maiden ; My Dying Bride ; Blind Guardian ; Immortal ; Satyricon ; Supuration (A French Doom Metal band, very cool) ; Megadeth ; Dream Theater ; Black Sabbath (just with Ozzy) ; Anathema ; Paradise Lost ; Rhapsody (of fire)...

And so many more...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Konnar le Barbant @ Nov 4 2006, 03:41 PM) [snapback]265327[/snapback]</div>All good bands ^_^

I saw Paradise Lost last night, supporting Opeth. It was awesome ^_^ two of my favourite bands on one night

I'll throw my hat in...

I have an interest in a few metal bands.

Strangely, I'm not into any one sub-genre of metal, and, as a matter of fact I often find that I like one band from a genre and not any of the others.
I'm into Machine Head, Metallica, Dragonforce (even though I dislike all other power metal bands), Drowning Pool (even though I disklike most other Nu-metal/Metalcore bands), Rage Against the Machine and System of a Down's earlier material. Most of the rest I'm fairly indifferent to.

When you say you like RATM's earlier music, is that an implication that you don't like The Battle of Los Angeles? Because that was one spectacular album...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Iowa @ Nov 9 2006, 02:47 PM) [snapback]266086[/snapback]</div>The Battle of Los Angeles is a cool album, but it's nothing on the first one. The first RATM album rules.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Iowa @ Nov 9 2006, 02:47 PM) [snapback]266086[/snapback]</div>No... I just forgot a comma. :wallbash:

I meant System's earlier music only.

Although I did prefer RATM's self-titled album to The Battle of Los Angeles

I just bought Rammsteins Sehnsucht album a week ago its an older one but damn its the best material ive heard from them. I have "Reise Reise" and "Mutter" as well but this one is great. I know there not technicaly metal but most people who listen to metal or have good taste in metal, have them in there collection am i wrong?

They come close to being metal at times, but really they don't quite get there, think the main draw is that they sing in german, but from what I read across different metal boards, they are decent but hugely overrated.

Spider Mastermind: Hmm, I really will have to check out their self-titled...everybody seems to like it alot, and the two tracks i've heard from it ("Bulls On Parade" and "Killing In the Name") are awesome.

Shunk Eat Enemy: Congratulations on your purchase of Sehn Sucht, it's a truly groundbreaking album. There are only two tracks off that CD that I do not like ("Kuss Mich" and "Stripped").

Deathdude, I can understand why some people might see Rammstein as overrated (given their world-reknownedness), but I think they deserve it. They have some truly creative lyrics as well as genius riffs. If you haven't yet heard them, take a listen to "Engel" and "Mein Teil".

Actually it's quite the opposite, that the band itself doesn't write anything that really stands out and just are another generic industrial rock band, with german singing. There are far better bands in their genre of music, plus it is annoying to hear that Rammenstein is assumed to be metal is the general consensus I have heard plenty around different metal boards.

most of music that i listen is some sort of metal although i listen everything from reggae to (almost) any form of metal and speaking of slayer (on the poll) gonna see slayer/inflames/children of bodom/lamb of god/thine eyes blind live next monday!! :brain: :bleh: :w00t: although slayer is the band that i want to see least of em :whistling:

:wallbash: Why can't that be me? :wallbash:

I'll never get to go to a metal concert...you see, they don't really notice backwater hick towns.

i could take camera with me & take some pics but its forbidden to bring camera to that gig :titan:

i'm not sure weter rammstien are metal or not but their sehnsucht album is decent, that much i can say. it certainly gives my subwoofer a good workout :P (especially to annoy the @ssholes below us)

Indeed...especially the chorus of "Klavier". :whistling:

idk if i posted this here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8wB7emt6ig

Rammstein is da awesome music. I don't really care if it is classified metal or not. I like the Herzeleid album more, but the Sehnsucht is also cool. I don't really like their recent releases, like Reise-Reise or Rosenrot... They are getting soft... meh...

Other than that, I mostly into REAL metal, like Hammerfall, Gamma Ray, Stratovarius, Nightwish(I miss Tarja :( ), and Lordi is my new favorite...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Himmler @ Nov 12 2006, 11:15 PM) [snapback]266586[/snapback]</div>That's amazing.. I'll need to look for more stuff by them

it's from their last album, OM, very recent. they have another known clip, older... look for Negura Bunget - Vazduh ;)

just got home from our 2 day trip to see slayer, inflames, lamb of god, children of bodom & thine eyes blind
and all i can say that gig was awesome! cant wait for next tour like this to see some major behind kicking metal live for almost 6 hours in row :brain:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(zori @ Nov 14 2006, 05:44 PM) [snapback]266957[/snapback]</div>I was gonna go to Unholy Alliance in Glasgow, but I couldnt be bothered. The only band that was playing that I really cared about was Mastodon, not too fussed about Slayer, In Flames, or Lamb of God really. Bodom are okay, but theyre still nowhere near as good as people make them out to be. Good musicianship, but the songs all sound the same...

That's just my overly fussy musical taste though :P I'm sure it would have been a good gig.

what suprised me most was thine eyes bleed as i listened few live songs few days before gig and didnt like it at all but was awesome when playing live and bout slayer i agree way too over rated few almost gray haired geezers that were 'heavy' & 'metal' prolly at 80's but not anymore :tai:
(i hope there are no slayer fans out there :whistling:

Thats just about the most narrow minded ignorant thing I've heard about metal

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Shunk Eat Enemy @ Nov 15 2006, 07:20 PM) [snapback]267161[/snapback]</div>I think he was only saying it about Slayer, not metal in general, and, from what I hear, he's not alone in that belief.

A lot of people I've talked to don't hold Slayer's current live-performances in the highest regard.

other bands interacted with the crowd & put their best to get up nice show
but once slayer started they stand still after few songs we just left as it was kinda big disapointment
(although its just my opinnion)

I've never been too keen on Slayer, I just don't find their music that interesting. And Kerry King has been playing the same freakin guitar solo for 20 years.

I'm really not keen on any of the big thrash metal bands tho, so it's probably just me :P

I don´t think it is fair, that I only revive one thread, and not the other. So here is another cool metal thread revived :)

Meh, same here, I never really liked Slayer, or any other Thrash metal. Mostly into Gothenburg metal now...

Black Metal.

Black-/Folk-/Doommetal, :E

Hmm i listen a lot of metal music,trash,death,epic.I love blind guardian because i play D&D and their music is fantastic for my adventures:D,megadeth was my first group that i had listen and i love it.My favourite group is the Death,very very technical.I'm not english,i'm italian and so i can't speak english very good!:p

if you can't speak english, why do you speak?
btw good going denmarkian =)

omg it posted

Jeez, Slipknot is not metal. It's nu metal, and that is blasphemy...

I mostly listen to power and a bit of folk, don't really feel like reading all the 28 pages so if what I just said has been said before, I most truthfully apologize.

Death.

That's an excellent combination of metal and rock... If you can say that. Well, in last albums actually. Earlier ones were good olde pecking.

I've been listening metal since I was 14 or something, the albums I've been lately purchasing have been almost without exceptions either black metal or doom metal. In my opinion, best thrash metal came in the 80s.

One thing that has always bugged me within metal circles, is what is up with those metal trendies, trying to show their "metal" attitude with stupid clothes and jewelry. Here in Finland, the Tuska Open Air Metal Festival has become more a fashion competition than a metal festival.

Fuck the fashion, it's the music that counts!

I agree, i hate those 'metal trendies' too...we've got cancer :I

Is this the kind of music with the random screaming?

..rapepr0n?

First, CP, now that?!?

I need variation :I...

Well then, try these two out. They're personally my favourite band.
Link1
Link2

i find this kind of metal funny

Open Fire (Romania)
 

Hey guys! My name is Vlad, I play in a metal band from Iasi,Romania,(Europe).
I'm a big "old games" fan, that's why i know about this site ( for like 4 years i think) ... Anyways... please visit www.myspace.com/openfireromania
tell me what you think. :rolleyes::cheesy::D

I normally never listen to deathmetal, but this actually isn't that bad at all
I like the riff that starts at 1:35 in Questioning Faith.

Bullet For My Valentine
 

Bullet For My Valentine

This metal band is great.

how DARE you calling the peace of crap a metal band?

also, some music forum mod censore the advertisement link=/, the band name is enough i guess

As has been said two years ago, no Iron Maiden = yet another Other vote.

Anyone here listen to Watchtower btw?

Favorite metal band would have to be Electric Wizard.

DragonForce.

*Burns your filthy leatherpants* SHAME! SHAME ON YOU!

Iron Maiden!

I listen to all metal actually but i'm mostly a metallica fan and will be for life.

Blackmetal is the only metal i've listened to for a long time now, as my attention has fallen over other genres.

That's ok. Black metal is probably my favorite style of metal anyway.

dunno where to write this but since i was gone, we released like two more things. BEZNA TVCI - Malebolgia and my project Craiu Mort - Androzoofilie
we're working on another project too which may be released on christmas

For avoiding music polices around here, I'll just name some basic genres I like:
Death, thrash, technical, grindcore, and some progressive.

Policies or police? Either way, name away! The more the merrier :)

I used to love metal, I still listen to some Judas Priest every now and then though.

But, I've sort of grown out of my whole metal phase..

my favorite band is Killswitch engage!!! :thumbs:

its Melodic Metalcore

Did I (or someone else) mention Meshuggah, Pantera, Megadeth or Fear Factory yet? Well, that's about as far as my interest goes on the subject of what I concider to be metal.

Iron Maiden's The Trooper is my favourite.

For whatever reason, this thread made me feel compelled to go listen to Whitechapel.
And anyone who knows Whitechapel should realize how strange a sensation that is...:mhh:

I'm a big fanatic of the old school of heavy metal... Manilla Road, Cirith Ungol, Deadly Blessing, Omen, Atlain, Stormwitch, Heavy Load, Mercyful Fate, Sortilege, Jaguar, Brocas Helm, Angel Witch, Pagan Altar, Saint Vitus... millions of bands from that style.

I think that Ronnie James Dio is the best Metal singer in the World!

LOOOL I just had to vote Gwar. Why? They're insane. :'D It's worth it just to watch them push their audience into a pit with giant clubs while wearing grotesque rubber masks.

The aesthetics of it all is just so amusing.