Vote :Titan:

What´s the point?
This is a highly respected ABANDONWARE site.

This was already decided:

Answer: NOOOOOOOOOO

So you can close this topic..

mmm... Most surely not!!!
I don't want to influence anybody but imo putting demos on the site would be a catastrophe
:sick: :ph34r:

It was for the Doom 2 demo :angel:

No DEMOS!!!

I thought we all decided to place never demos on site :angel:

Just waiting for Kosta to pass by :D

No, i actually think this shouldn't be closed( i want to see if anybody at all votes for yes :sneaky: :ph34r: )

Now that you said that,
somebody will...

Or then they read this post,
and never will...

Naaah... I don't want demos. This is abandonware ;)

I said this once before, but I will say it again for all the new members...


Demos are EVIL! They are the work of Satan!

Demos
Demons
Demos
Demons

Spot the similarity? :ranting:

Yes you're right just cool off :D

Indeed....

Abandonware
Andonware
Anware
Anre
An(g)e ...G= Good
An(g)e(L)...L=Life

Abandonware = angel = :angel:

Spot the similarity? :angel:

I was tempted to vote Yes for that very reason but common sense took over at the right moment.

Demos are ok but not here.
My real hatred is shareware. :ranting:

This is one of the best abandonware sites on the web, and my favourite! If we let demos in, shareware will be along before we know it!!!! :ranting:

I'm for high quality full abandoned games. Demos would only probably spoil the good look of the site, so I'm against them.

Maybe a total other discussion....but i love to see Freeware games on the site...

5 Days a stranger and 7 days a skeptic were very good games..hopefully there will be more on the site :ok:

OK people:
-DEMOS - no way: People looking for something type in the name and bang - there's the site :ok: wish to have the game :not_ok: oh, it's only a demo :wall: :rifle: the site that offred it.
-Shareware - not on this site please - except if you really find something that is good and would just have to be on the site (like that's ever gonna happen)!!!
-Freeware - a definite maybe - need to check the quality first - some games :ok: others :not_ok:
Now just look at the vote count and I think most of us agree.

I am new and know my opinion doesn't mean much, but I think of it this way. Demos are not great, but they do give you a good taste of what the full game is like. I think if a special section was annexed to abandonia...LOL....(demonia...)lmao...anyway. Special section for them and it says up front they are demos, it wouldn't be that bad. Especially if they are put through the tight scrutiny i know this site delivers.

Another thing that would make me like them is that I know I can trust you guys to not put out anything harmful to a system. Lot's of sites offer demos...but if i start recalling the number of bad downloads I've gotten over the past year, you'd run out of bandwidth. All I'm saying is no, don't put anything on that would hurt the site, but abandonware isn't going to be pumped out forever. Don't count on ever seeing Doom III released ...well, ever. LOL. Whatever you guys chose to do is cool and has my full support.

You made the cool site, therefore you own the cool site :ok:

:whistle: :tomato:

Well, somebody must provoke luke warm controversy, or else this would be a very one sided topic.... :tomato:

But the games on the site are quite small anyway so there would be no point having another section just to save people a few megabytes.

Another point is that you can often get demos from the games own websites and though huge they do tend to be good downloads. The thing that really puts me off downloading demos is that most of them these days is the size, especially for those of us who still have dial-up connections. Some demos are up around 250MB these days, if not more. I've just looked at the size of Doom 3 which is a 461MB download. That's going to use a lot of bandwidth if people start downloading them. Bandwidth that could be used for the true purpose of this site -Abandonware which (funnily enough) can't be downloaded from its manufacturer!

EDIT: My apologies. The download of Doom3 is 490MB. I have it on a magazine disc where it is only 461. This saves my poor dial-up connection doing it which would incidentally take 27 hours.

Everyone has made good points against introducing demos, but I'd like to nervously raise a hand in their favour. What if we just added demos of new games? It'd be an easy way to discover what was available. Sure, you could get the demos from the creator's website, IF you knew who the creator was and even if the game existed in the first place. Alternatively, if bandwidth is a problem for downloading big demos, what about just having links to where the demos can be downloaded and a few words about the kind of game it is and when it was released.

So if I understan you correctly, we'd make some sort of an advertise for the new games - just so we'd stay in touch, or so we'd share some things we like even if it would be illegal to put up a game it self.
At the same time - since this would only be a link in the lets say "what's new out there" sectionit wouldn't use any of our bandwith.
I must say I like the idea!

I'd go along with providing a list of demos with links to downloads elsewhere as long as the downloads were all checked before links were published (there are some sites out there that are just best avoided!). But I think we should avoid making demos a big feature of this site.

It only paves the way for the demon :twisted: that is shareware to get in! :ranting:

no big feature. But demos too have their place in life...even if many are evil

<<So if I understan you correctly, we'd make some sort of an advertise for the new games - just so we'd stay in touch, or so we'd share some things we like even if it would be illegal to put up a game it self.
At the same time - since this would only be a link in the lets say "what's new out there" sectionit wouldn't use any of our bandwith.>>

Exactly, Sebatianos. Glad you like the idea :ok:

<<But I think we should avoid making demos a big feature of this site.>>>

I agree. Abandonware should always be the main feature. It's more fun. At the same time, it'd be cool to know what's currently happening out there in the gaming world and talk about it. Most of us read computer or gaming mags occasionally, so we could all contribute info and links when we come across something. Maybe we could just have a section in the Blah, Blah, Blah Forum?

I have to agree with the idea.. I think even just having a section would be enough.
It would be nice to have a more personal reveiw on a game from someone we are familar with before forking out our 40$. Not to mention this site is about the roots of these new games.

I like the idea now!

:ok: :ok: :ok:

(I'm easily persuaded)

I just don't want the site full of demos. The main reason I came to this site was because (as someone mentioned above) every time you search for a game and you think you've found it.... ....it turns out to be a demo.

If all we are providing is a place where Abandonia members (and guests!) can find out and chat about the latest demos then that sounds great. But I think it should have its own category on the Games board in the forum so everyone can find it easily. :D :D

:blink: it said I already voted...? :blink:

Judging by this sites quality I have feeling all demos will be clearly marked if it comes to that. :ok:

I don't want demos whatsoever in the site unless you create a whole new section for them. Then I would not see them in the main list and I would not care at all about even their existence.

Demos are not worth the time we are giving in this thread anyways, so even less putting them on the site IMHO. If I want a real game I'll go for the full game instead.

A whole new section?! Try a whole new site... no one wants this gift of a site discustingly smothered by the hundreds of lame demos out there...

demos are one step closer to a warez site :sick:

Blah, blah, blah...I didn't vote, and I wont, cuz I don't have any problems of putting demos to the site, but if others DO have, then the idea is withdrawn!
@yamatcha565656
One more thing....PM-ing....

<<no one wants this gift of a site discustingly smothered by the hundreds of lame demos out there... >>

Too right. Only a section that would have links to new game demos that were interesting and innovative enough to discuss.

i think the poll says enough... LOL

Some voters might have changed their minds, evilded.

I have! :D :D :D

I think if it were confined to discussion in a category on the forum it would have very little effect on the site and it wouldn't spoil anyone's enjoyment of Abandonia!

I don't like the idea of demos, I don't like the idea of their own little section, and I don't like that idea either.

I'm getting the impression you don't like this idea, Iron Scarecrow :bleh:

I don't want to provoke WW3 over this. It's not that important. I'm happy to let the matter drop. It seems safe to say more people are against than for it anyway.

demos of new games?
is it worth the massive bandwidth needed?
i vote no...

no one is starting ww3 wendy, this is just a debate so to speak... theres no flaming here...

Yeah I probably seemed a bit forceful in my post but I didn't feel a need to explain in 5 lines what could have been explained in 1 line.

<<demos of new games?
is it worth the massive bandwidth needed?
i vote no...>>

I suggested links to the game demos, not the demos themselves. Just wanted to clarify.

Demos ruin sites.I don't want abandonia to come to that.We are dealing with abandonware and not new games.In fact we have nothing in common with new games.Quite the opposite actually, we deal in games 10 years old.So no i don't want demos of new games, links to demos, or news about new games.
Abandonia is about old games, and not demos!
:kosta: :Tom: (tom's opinion on demos described the situation best)

Well there are topics in "Blah Blah Blah" or "Games Discussion" about new games, so it's a bit late to complain about news of new games.

I don't mind that so much, I just think a section for Demos, or a section for links to Demos is wrong, and evil like Tom said or whoever said it.

New demos will never be put on abandonia. They are too big for us and there are plenty of places you can get them anyway. Demos as the freeware versions of Doom 1+2 and a few other games are a maybe but for now we will continue adding full games are there is no shortage of them.

Well said. :ok:
But I dont think those Demos should even be a maybe.

Wow you have wrote 3 pages while i was at scholl

After reading carefully through all the comments (and especially Wendy's), I have this to say.


Demos will NOT arrive on this site in THIS century.


However, the idea of making a section with links to great demos, complete with a review and screenshots is very good. Here are the reasons:

1. It will show Programmers and Game Companies that we are a serious site.
By giving a great review of a game to come, more people will buy the game. Meaning cash to the makers. Which is how it SHOULD be. (No matter how old a game is, the guys behind it deserves the money they ask for it. That is why we change the links for games that are still being sold.)

2. It will not cost us any bandwith at all.
What many haven't realized is that whenever they download a game for free, someone has to pay. That someone is Kosta at the moment. (So think about that. EVERY game you got from this site, Kosta paid for. In effect, he went out and BOUGHT the game for you as a present!)

3. It will draw visitors to this site.
More visitors means more people will know that this site exist. Hopefully they will find some old abandoned games they like as well, and maybe even click on a few ads. The more people we get on the site, the more potensial helpers will we welcome.
To sum up this point:
More visits --> Bigger reputation --> More visits
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|--> More helpers --> More games --> More visits
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|--> More ad clicks --> More money --> Bigger Server --> More games --> More visits


As long as we do NOT place the demos on our own server, I am all for it.

I have too!

Why don't you talk with the game companies to make a deal:
good demos->>>more people attracted to curent game->>>more buys->>>creators get money (and you 20% :D )

sounds good to me :D

It is good idea, I just doubt that they will accept that... <_<

Then we will terrorize them :Titan:

We could make a machine that forces them to slap themselves endlessly. :sneaky:

I don't like the idea of demos, I don't like the idea of their own little section, and I don't like that idea either. [/b][/quote]
I guess I kind of jumped the gun a bit there. Sorry Wendy.

Not really a good idea

Just concentrate on the main thing on the site :ok:

Yes, but we'd need a DEMO version of that machine, so we'd be able to convince them to buy the thing!

what, you mean I have to work. :eeeeeh: Forget it then. I can always think up something else! :evil:

:kosta: :kosta:

Tom has hit the point on the head i believe. Maybe this would give abandonia a big boost

:Brain: :ok:

Thanks, Tom, for putting so much time and thought into this. You've made some excellent points. Wow - a person with amazing vision :)

EDIT
No problemo, Iron Scarecrow. Thanks for those words. :ok:

Hmm...

So we need also reviews demos then??

Since the no's clearly overrule the 'yes's , I'm going to close this topic. :)