The first and most important thing is the will of beeing a good guy. :angel:
You can do what ever you like, but always see the good thing in it.
For example: "Being robbed of and just thing that it was a great adventure"
(dont imagin a better one now)
So I make the YINGYANG-Symbol to something holy :ok: LOL
I also count roods with Jesus golden stuff and any holy symbol
of other religions.

The second and more most important thing is, that we are only humans
and kind of stupid and the great big master in heaven is perfekt.
And he dont have to do good things for us all the time cause he is GOD.
And we are kicked out of paradise, cause of some evil deeds which
must be sth more worth than eating apples.
So if you where God what would you do?
Actually "he or she" doesnt matter, i thing "it" could work, too.

So feel free to suggest any good thing that might belong to a religion. :D

bye :bye: bye

Religion is for cowards, mostly.

Okay i edited this. It is my opinion only, dont go crying please.

so now you r atacking religion......

@ maerlyn

tell you sth:
if you dont know what might happen after your death
you wont risk your life for anything which makes you the coward.

I thing you are just afraid that someone could call you weak. LOL

I think most of us know what can happen if you show weakness
in school. :boxing:

But here is no one who want to offend you, my son :D :angel:

But i have to negate your suggestion of having no religion. LOL
take care of you :ph34r:
and prepare to die as some of the first in the third Worldwar. OMG

@ punch999

I dont want to attack existing religions, I just want to put
the good stuff out of them to make them easier to
understand
cause you normally can understand them twice. :ok:

oh and i thing 999 could be a sacrileg, too :angel:

bye :bye: bye

I dont know about school, it was mostly a blur for me.

As for death, im not concerned or afraid as ive been close to it before and everyone dies. I just choose not to worship fictional characters from books that have been re written 1000 times.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion ofcourse, i was just sharing mine.

punch999: Im not attacking anything, read the above statement, or ask your parents what it means.

Oh and by the way, neither of us can prove our beliefs so why bother discussing religion, it is an ancient debate with no possible answer.

@ maerlyn

Yeah its a good thing to think about that lots of things
might be lost or written toward a book if it is
copied a 1000 times.

I think lots of kings write their own stuff in those books
to make people fight against arabia fo example. :max:

bye :bye: bye

I also think your act is becoming a little old, although you are encouraged by most of the people here so i dont blame you for liking the attention.

Ok time for some wisdom.
everything is one
only the mind of human is devorced
maybe it is the sense of life to unite them again

so i think this is the penalty of mankind, not to
know why they are here
and if someone finds out he cant tell others how.

the most common religion today is economy
it says you are just here to buy things


nevertheless everyone lives in his own world
so if you believe that someone is dumb
he might fall if you see him

bye :bye: bye

The mind of human is "devorced" because we chose to be like that ourselves. Therefore it's up to us now to find a way to be united with the beginning of all again. Many usually don't care, and that's their damnation, thought it's up to them to break it.

This is not a recruitment forum for religious or other purposes. If you want to discuss religion here fine but do not use this forum for getting others to join your cult.

And with that said, we'll keep it at a discussion-level :)

Well.. relligion is imho for weak-minded that want something to go after, and not have to lay down new tracks here in life..
The thought of a devine force is absurd, and physicaly hard to define, therefor in my world, not possible, and thereby no reason to take any notice of, until otherwhise proven so.

I must say, i'm a humanist and darwinist into my boans, and science is my relligion..

Every relligion is wrong in the long run..

Humans.... oboy.. it's amazing we haven't annihilated ourself yet.. Humans are a race living on overtime right now.. We'r by nature selfdestructive.. and if there is a god, why did it make us that way?

Naaah... relligion? not for me thanks... but everyone can think what they want, as loong as they don't enforce theire oppinions on others.. i have a good friend who is a priest and have his own church with quite a few followers... good for him.. good for them.. and we are still friends, due to our fundamental differences in belifes..

I should have known you would start up a new religion. You're the kind of person to do so. It's always the crazy people who do.

But religions aren't for me. I could never devote myself to a higher being, I can't even devote myself to an hour of study a day.

Correct me if I'm wrong, Schabernakel-anbeter, but I don't think he's recruiting members to start a new religion. I think he wants to share his philosophies and provoke deep discussions. Perhaps the topic title was written tongue-in-cheek?

And besides what good would a religion started over the internet be. All your members will be from different countries, how will you mass together and start protests. :blink:

Religion is neede for people to find a way to shelter themselves from their own fears. That's all! Actually we talked about it in THE MEANING OF LIFE THREAD!

Yeah but we kind of went a little off topic, not that I'm saying its wrong. He wanted ideas for a new religion so far no one has given him any.

So does anyone have any ideas for his religion?

*cough cough*

Me and my friend once started a new religion....
Puffinism, we called it.
It didn't go far though... we gave up after 2 days :whistle:

Nobody wanted to join :cry:

Aaaaaanyways...

I think youre giving the guy too much credit.

I'll create a new kind of Vatican / Mecca for that religion here. ;)

(First idea - so send me all the gold and money made of followers gifts LOL )

Is that realy all what's religion for? :blink:

Or religion main purpose is to feed one of Moslow's needs? :blink:

Usually a religion starts as a source of knowledge and divinity and stuff. Then some corrupt people take slowly over it, as always, and the religion becomes a way to oppress and rob people of their possessions. :rolleyes:
Best example of that is the "holy inquisition" of the middle ages...

Mostly a lot of folk’s tales ended up in holly books. If we need a new religion, we need a holy book which will include all rules. ;)

We might have a paragraph (in Holy book) about big (post) flood and how did St. FreeFreddy came up with idea of leaving a forum for couple of days. LOL LOL LOL

Why do we need to have rules and penalties for a religeon? Why can't it be simply a philosphy? An source of inspiration for attaining the highest level of fufillments in one's life?

From it's start religion had to do two major things (talking about old civilization). Make some rules to settle still kind of wild human nature, and to educate people (teach them about good and bad).

What about afterlife? (It all comes to mine realm LOL)

Thats why I don't believe in organized religion... not that Judaism really has much of an organization... not like Islem or christianity anyway.

I agree, but everyone should make their own philosophy, not base their lives on the idea of someone else.

My philosophy is: I am great but not everyone will see that, so the best i can do is try to educate.

no i thing i dont recruit anyone
but if someone wants to be recruited
he or she should act like i wrote in the thanks topic :D
(giving me all money and stuff :whistle: )

may be religion is the wrong word for a topic
maybe we could just collect some philosophies

the new religions of today are:
nature, realism, science...
normally everything based by making a picture of everything(God)
which makes human mightier than ever

so nearly everybody thinks, that he is the best(not in everything,
but in some speciall thing like best driver or sth)
we all know to much, and people who know to much are dangerous :blink: :ph34r:

ehm yes :Tom:
another thing, if their is a need of a book for a new religion
maybe someone writes down this topic LOL

bye :bye: bye

religion and science....

two words that not mix well

isn't earth flat?

That is not entirely correct.
Many great scientists were religious people, especially in computer science.

Einstein was a very religious person as evident from a lot of his sayings (a devout believer in the theories of Baruch Spinoza, if I'm not mistaken) and yet will anybody claim his science was flawed?

Science and religion can live together if they live side by side (as seen during the rennaisance, horisontalism) instead of one above the other (as seen during the Dark Ages, verticalism)

Stroggy,
Should we mention couple (actually it was much more then couple) great minds that were killed because church did not agree with their discoveries?

So,
Albert was happy to be born in other part of 19th centaury, otherwise he would make nice roast...

Anubis
Did you read what I said about horisontalism and verticalism?

'coarse not, you only read what you want to read now don't you?

I did, and as I said already these two words do not mix well. Mostly as if you really follow religion, then you don't have enough space for 'open minded' thinking.

Just try to explain how and when life on earth started (from religion and from science point of view) and you'll see that it's a bad combination.

That some scientist believed in religion, that’s another story. (At some point what difference is to believe in folks tales or in Holly book?)

So you're saying that its not bad to believe in a religion and be a scientist at the same time.
You're just saying the existence of religion in itself hinders science...

and "albert", (or 'some scientist' as you so gracefully name him) wasn't open minded you say.

Lets me try and go over your reasoning once more.

If you believe in a religion, you aren't open minded

Einstein believed in religion.

Ergo Einstein wasn't an open minded thinker.

You're a fruit

I just interpretate one part of the bible:
Dont make yourself a picture of god.

I think it does not mean, not to imagine god like a guy or energyball

like i said God is everything, right
so unce uppon a time a small part of materie began to swing
and enlarge to a really big size (universe) from out the nothing

thats my believe of how everything becomes beeing

So i think you know, that everything on this world is made
out of atoms(anything your eye see is fake!)
and they are all turning all the time
so who do you think turns all this atoms?
some would call it the big magnet, but i think god is a better word
even if you look how an atom is built you see negativ parts(evil?),
positiv parts(good?) and neutral parts (God?)

if you know that any atom is turned by someone
you should have an example for the power of this someone.
and you should better not mess with this guy

Another thing you should know is, that it is not
possible to keep everything existing if you disturb the equlibrium :rifle:
so if there is more good than evil everything (not the everything) will collapse
A nuclear bomb workes someway like this. :ph34r:
for example in life:
if we were all evil, we would kill anyone an destruct everything
if we were all good, we would cheer and dance us to destruction
anyway what an idea to invent good and evil :wub:

ehm yes, back to the picture thing:
if you make yourself a picture of God
you try to achieve some of his(her) power
which makes the people feel to mighty what they really arent
and this is exactly what science does

@ anubis
i guess the world must look like a banana :ok:
but I dont have enough proof for it yet :D

bye :bye: bye

sth more:
Any child can make the best scientist speechless
with i thing 5-10 questions :D

bye :bye: bye

Stroggy,
Some religion, as I was though in beginning starts like this:

'You can't believe in anything else, only in this!'

And by that every thought 'out of religion' is another sin.

Unfortunately it's still that way, and if it's for religion fanatics, we still should the same way people lived long time ago. (check Taliban extremism in Afghanistan, some Amish communities here in USA, etc...)

Today there is a big debate over tissue engineering. What do you think about it, and are religions for or against it?

you're not getting off of this one that easily, my friend.

Once again your gracefully stepped around the points I pointed out.

Now you try to justify yourself by diving into extremes.
I've already answered that, compare the Taliban regime and the Ayatollahs to the church during the dark age. You'll see I already answered it back then.
Science can not evolve if religion is on top, but it can if religion and science coexist: one next to the other (horisontalism)

About stemcellresearch (I believe thats what you imply with tissue engineering)
That is a difficult point because it delves into not only religious issues but also moral issues. What with the embryos and all.

Luckily German scientists discovered these stemcells can also be extracted from ones own bonemarrow! Last I heard was that, in light of this latest discovery, president Bush is concidering restarting the stemcell research. But then the elections started and all kinds of major political events happened... the entire issue kind of faded.

He had to stop and abandon research, as most of votes he got are comming from the churches, which clearly don't support stem cell research.

Also they found tissue engineering (making whole part of your body out of couple of your own cells, by growing the tissue) unmoral. This should save a lot of people who are waiting for organ transplantation.

Stroggy, I’m just saying that there is really no need for religion, and no scientific discovery can be thankful to religion. Science does not depend on religion, and mostly religion is preventing science from full development.

I have nothing against ‘believers’, but hate when they are trying to make a world by their standards.

If that is what you think i'll leave you with these immortal words of "some scientist"

Don't forget that I'm from ex-comunist country, and can you believe people can live without religion??

It's shame that corruption in most countries happend after the WWII, but idea it self was good.

[sarcasm]and isn't it amazing how nobody from the ex-soviet countries returned to religion after the fall of the Soviet Union!? [/sarcasm]

No one did prevent anybody in my country to be religious. It was own decision all people had to make. Only you have not been able to be in communist’s party if you are religious, as they did not like ‘church in government.

In the last US election, they had posters in church that only way to have a good connection of government and church is to vote for Bush!? Is that the way this thing should work? How other countries/religions like this?

IMHO, religion divided more people then they connect them.

Once again you're being totally ignorant.
had you watched CNN's special on religion and the US elections you would have noticed a VAST ammount of churches had posters of kerry up.

And one more thing.

First you glorify the former communist countries as an example of a countries that destroyed the shackles of religion... and now you say one some were actually athe?st.

Do you even listen to yourself sometimes? You're a walking contradiction aren't you? :)

Stroggy, you are very wrong. (Is there any chance that you are mixing names? :bleh: )

Do you even listen. I just told ya that no one ever forced me, or anybody else to abandon religion.

I am not glorifying communism, especially not the one that you know about. There are different kinds of communism, and in my country was so called 'socializam'. (In the same country lived at the time Kosta, Unknown_Hero, Srebatianos and couple other members)

I just said it was nice idea, bad realization. A lot of Jews were communists in Russia, but Stalin killed most of them later, while he ruled so called ‘peoples state’.

Let’s go back to our topic. Don’t worry, nobody will force you to pay monthly fee (not till we get some fanatics too ;))

For heaven's sake man, quit acting as if you've got the facts when you don't. Its the middle-east debate all over again.
You're opinions are once again based on generalisations, bent to support your viewpoint.

Do you even read?
First you say you live in a former communist country and that it proved that a world without religion is possible. Now you say that people weren't forced to abandon their religion.

So there was still religion!

And even now in Russia people have returned to the Orthodox church. So obviously people do need religion. Thus only a cruel dictatorial regime like Stalin's could prevent religion. Big whoop!

People always need something to believe in. So returning to religion is nothing special. If you take religion of people, you'll have to give another one in exchange, or they'll return to the one they had before. Obviosly people cannot live without believing in something, would it be classical with God and church and so on or the thoughts of more intelligent people about the world and the universe and anything about / outside of it.

Yes, you are right again.... As I said already, you my friend are misinformed. Read and listen a bit more.

I said that live without religion is possible, and a lot of people still don't believe in any of religion stuff! Another of my points was that no one forced anybody to abandon religion in communism (I know only for my country). Is there something you can’t understand about that?

Again, no one prevented people from going in to churches, and no one destroyed any churches in Russia or in my country. Actually a lot of them where build in the time of communism. Just you either don like to listen, or don't like to acknowledge any of this.

religion causes more problems that it solves in my opinion.

it restricts people to one set of beliefs. people should choose their own choices, not be dictated by a religion.

though it is their choice to belive what they wish to believe so its not like people are being forced to be religious and follow all the religious rules

I have read, i've listened and i've seen. as i've said just look at the documentary, it was on CNN for atleast a week or two.

And then you act as if communism was this big happy jolly take your pick kind of organization. Luckily you do add (I know only for my country) at some points.

What in the name of Mahatma Ghandi are you talking about. While it is true thatmajor Orthodox powers (like Sergei, Aleksei Simanskii of Leningrad and Nikolai Iarushevich of Kiev) where tolerated (mainly due to their sway over a part of the populace) normal orthodox churches who did not directly follow these three major powers were destroyed!

Thousands of orthodox priests were deported to gulags! These were later branded as 'orthodox sects' for not following the main leadership of the orthodox church.

And this only happened during WW2. Before that Stalin made quick work of levelling thousands of churchs. Murdering countless of priests and nuns!

Stroggy,
I live here and I was following election from the beginning. As I told ya, churches support bush, as he is republican and more conservative. Church never had this much power as today. I would like to see your documentary, but trust me, I got at home a lot of pictures with signs that state that who believe in god, should believe in Bush. (There was a joke around about this)

Where? I said it was nice idea.... but...

That's a luck. :)

Sorry, forgat to say that I know only for stuff after WWII. What Stalien did is another story and does not have much to do with religion, but with killing all potentinal oponents (and ideas)


You are realy hard trying just to prove anything wrong... LOL I like that, but for someone who like to study International Law, you should know better...

I think what ever you believe in is your religion.
even if you believe that nature did everything
or believe in your self :w00t:

as you see religion is normally sth to argue about :D
like different meanings

bye :bye: bye

but is that the case? many people are indoctrinated at birth by their parents...

You know its pointless debating with you.
Its impossible to get through to you. its like you're programmed or something.
Its plain boring, you don't even try to come across as serious.
Your own contradictions and skewed logic is too much to endure.

yes but whenyou become 18+ u can do whatever u want

Why does religion always start pointless arguements. :not_ok:

:D

I was expecting something like this.... It would help if you remember what are you trying to prove, or that's not so important as long if it's opposite from me ;)

:bye:

It would help if my oppenent could remember his own position

Oh Strogy....

It is so simple, and I am very sure that you don't like it.

'Religion and science have NOTHING in common.'

'Religion is guilty for many innocent lives!'

Agree?

No I don't.

I proved you quite wrong there. HISTORY proved you wrong during the rennaisance.

But its futile to debate with a nescient such as yourself

With the religion/science thing, you might find this an interesting book to read:

Angels and Demons - Dan Brown

It is also a very good book.

Now looks like you are missing some education on history subject too?

How many wars had religion as main reason??

How many people died as result?

How many scientists have been killed as their discovery where against what church teaches?

You my friend are young and ignorant or living your life in fairy tale.

Tell us what happened to Galileo, please. Why he was condemned of heresy?

Just now think about fact that history is repeating it’s self…

I'll agree that religion has been abused to kill and persecute people but it has also caused many good things, in the same way that science has also benefited mankind (making medicines etc.) but has also killed many (guns and nuclear bombs).

I've already read all of Dan Brown's books.
While he does raise quite a few good points, a lot of it is, quite frankly, absurd.
His most famous (and controversial) book, the Da Vinci code, scores quite a high mark on the scale of BS. To put it so crudely.
Even the entire theory of the Holy grail being the son of jesus isn't his own. Thats a theory going around for quite some time. It also isn't the appearance of this theory in the entertainment sector since Gabriel Knight III was about the same theory (thus some of the fun of reading the book was spoiled)

However he's a very good writer and its a joy to read his work... aslong as you take his info with some grains of salt.

You aren't listening you moron.
I'm sorry that I have to insult you but i've been repeating myself all the time now and you just won't read it.
Are you stupid or do you simply refuse to understand it!?

You're talking about dark ages, i'm talking about renaissance.
Jeesh you really are thick.

Well yes, he doesn't claim that it is ALL true, or that he made it all up himself, it's a novel, no one goes around saying that Terry Pratchett's an idiot because the world isn't really carried around by four elephants and a turtle and, as you said, don't believe everything you read.

Pratchett is, however, fantasy.
And since he's willing to engage in debates about the subject I do believe he sincerely believes he is telling the truth.
I don't mind. I don't even believe in Jesus and yet I ahd a great time reading The davinci Code (coudln't put it down)

@ struggy and anubis
oh i think the only way to see who is right
might be a battle :Titan: :D

its Allah...no its God :box: :drool: :blow:

so maybe different religions and languages are only made
to set war on humans
God must like strategic games LOL

i dont want to say that life is a game
for God it might be but i think its sth more
like loving your creation and make special influence(not really game, cause
its no imagination at all theirfore imaginations are sth too so what is
actually a game :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: )

i think if you die the only thing you lose are your memories(of course your
old body, too)
so death isnt that bad, anyway i dont have much memories that i
dont want to loose :angel:

a common religion for all might be great but its only a dream
like foreign the whole world or peace to the world

yeh maybe this topic helps someone :angel:

i thing i play some "games" now

bye :bye: bye

Strrogy,
It’s interesting that somebody who thinks a bit high about himself can give it’s self very easily to call other names… These small things tell a lot about our self’s.

:not_ok: Me end you have nothing more to talk about as your brain can’t accept that human existed before and after renaissance, that religion took a lot of lives, including about 200 000 of people from my own country at the END OF 20th century, and that people are killed even today because they are separate by religion.

I know why you are so persuasive to prove that religion is not reason we lost a lot of scientist, but just imagine what each kid, killed today in Palestine might turn in to, if there was no genocidal regime in Israel, like it’s today. And at the end, all comes back to religion difference…

I know, it’s hard to accept facts…

Schabernakel-anbeter,
If there is a god, he is or a bit pissed and don’t care about us, or is ignoring all madness that is happening today.

Trust me; you'll see everything differently if you taste a bit hell, like I did.

at least every religion i know says sth like
humans on earth one pretty good human(Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha...)
and God or Nirvana somewhere above.

its quite interesting if you watch pictures painted by children
its normally:
A man and his wife with some children on earth and a laughing sun above.

The worst thing today is that reliogious stuff normally sounds really dark.

For tuff (hard and stuff) religion is too weak
for the peaceloving it is to brutal

so what should you believe at last, science or in the power of money?

It isnt easy for the humans today, to find the right way. :bye:

Bye :bye: Bye

If this truly means i don't have to stand any more of your idiotic ramblings I'll take it as proof that there really is a god.

I would thank you on calling me moron and idiot. :tnx:

Very nice and intelligent of you... :wub:

@ Anubis

Life is Hell.

Everything here has a price.

And what do you think should God do?
Make you a king even if you dont believe in him
or not even search for him?

I wrote sth about atoms and what happens if there are to
many positive or negative ones:sth like nuclear explosion

so if any thing would be changed in particular here on earth,
the earth might be destroyed

If you had lots of bad times you might joy the good times even more
one day.

Therefore the great doom of mankind is that they forget


Try to search for God. if you find him your life wont be so bad anymore.

There are always destinies that are more worth i think.
like having no arms and legs, be blind and deaf,
lots of teeth pain+ pain everywhere on the rest of your body
and then life next to a very bad smelling place :D

i thing its not your destiny, so always look on the bright side of life
:whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle:

Bye :bye: bye

Schabernakel-anbeter,
My very close cousin was very religious, he was also 18 days younger then I am. He lost his life at the age of 20. He did not any weapon, and still they killed him. He would be 32 years old today, if there were no religious fanatics. :(

I already told once that I hate everyone who supports any killing, genocide and war. There is no good war, and each war cost a lot of lives, usually the ones who are innocent. :blink:

There is something Stroggy does not like about that, as he supports killing in Palestine, he is happy that Israel was proclaimed on blood of people who lived there at the time…

When he is a bit push, he start to call the names, loose temper, and show real face….

Let's see how admins like one of VIP's call other members names. ;)

I am sorry about that.

The best are dieing young.

You might think its not fair cause it is a big loss for you
but war was part of life for all times i think

it might be harder for you to accept things like they are
but God gives no one more than he can carry

life and death are in a circle and only his body is gone
he might be reborn and thats normally the worst thing
that could happen to him

actually in war nobody wins anything
except people who sit in their buros and plan them

loosing people who stand close to you is hard
but dont give the fault to any religious people
give the fault to God and make your peace :bye:
live isnt paradise any more
we have to accept
but we can shout and give ourself some air to exist
tell the big one above what you dont like
and you might feel better :w00t:


BYE :bye: BYE

That remind me of Jehovah's Witnesses... :)

Don't know why. :blink:

They give away kind of nice color books with kids’ playing with lions, tigers, crocodiles.... :)

You are such a moron, you know that Anubis.
You didn't even let me finish back then.
You kept droning on and on.
If you had let me finish you would have known that I fully support a palestinian state and a free palestinian people. That there is nothing more that I wish than peace.

But somewhere in your closed little mind you portray me as some sort of Serbian soldier who enjoys murdering innocent people.
I've had up to here with your whining. Frankly I feel insulted that you think of me that way.

If I wouldn't pity you I would demand an apology.

Oh and it is exactly people like the Albanians that founded israel as a safe haven. You want to compare Bosnia with the middle east, there you have it.

Now shut up, I've had it up to here with your unfounded accusations.

Everyone listen to bad Religion

ANarchy for all!! :tomato:

How can you "not let someonee finish" on a forum? You can say all you like in a post and everyone can see it, other people can't behind in and stop you like in a proper arguement.

I was talking about the PM conversation we had.
He angaged me asking for information on the history of Israel.

But whenever I answered one question eh'd jump to a totally different subject.
At first i tried to keep up with him... but then his questions portrayed a certain bias.
He believes Israel was created in a landgrab by the Jews. When I tried to explain to him that Israel was founded by the UN in a vote called resolution 181 (which had its anniversary yesterday) He didn't believe that.
Than he dropped his veil of intrest and exposed himself as a palestinian-supporter.
Not that I mind (I was still rather annoyed that he came to me asking for information while he was already obviously biased on the issue)
He never read anything I typed and simply assumed a lot of things, like I support the extinction of arabs or stuff like that.

And that really angers me. At first I decided to let him have his own opinion.
But when he starts flaunting that opinion here on the forum I think he goes too far.

Calling somebody an idiot is one thing, but calling somebody a rascist, a murderer. or somebody who supports ethnic cleansing, that is much worse. Especially since almost my entire family was killed in ethnic cleansing.

I do not even find it offensive, I find it deeply hurtfull.

Strrogy,
You give a lot of right to your self.

You are offended???

Is my nick name written over flag under which thousands of innocent people are killed??

You are for peace? It would be a peace in the Middle East if there is no Israel state, same state made by genocide.

Just type Israel and genocide in Google, and guess how many links you'll find. What happened just couple weeks before September 11? Was Israel declared as genocidal state?

So, just continue to give a name and show your great culture…. And complain that I did not give you a chance to prove my self wrong. Well here was just another one, but it’s hard to have a conversation with somebody who can’t admit the facts.

Actually your avatar is the egyptian god of embalming and the dead :blink:

But see this is exactly the reason I don't get you. You approach me asking for info but you are as anti-israeli as a member of the Muslim Brotherhood.
Your hatered even went so far as to accuse an administartor with an interest in politics in being an evil zionist for warning you on a totally unrelated subject.


You give yourself a lot of right to call somebody you didn't even bother to listen to a murderer. And even more to start flaunting that standpoint around.

I think you are a deeply troubled person seeking others on which to act out old anger, somebody to replace your real enemies of the past.

Pity, because I won't stand being called a bloodthirsty murderer.

That's just one of the lies....

I never called you bloodthirsty murderer. (Show me where I called you that)

You declared your self as supporter of Israel, your nick is on Israel flag, and for me, as for many more people Israel is genocidal state, made in the blood of innocent people with the help of USA, where strongest and richest lobby is Jew's lobby.

These are facts baddy, and it does not matter if you like it or not.

It’s true that I ask you about your opinion and only what you proved to me is that all I knew already was true.

And no, you are not like some Serbian soldier, you are more like one of week Serbs who live in Western Europe, and is kind of confused why Israel (Serbia) is not so popular, while he’s being tell all those false stories that made him so proud to be what he is…

In simple English, living a false dream, and being proud at something that’s not so nice.

Imagine if today German’s people would be proud at WW2.

You should leave my physical evaluation to somebody else, as you can’t figure out very simple things.

And still, I don’t hate you for what and who you are...

You say I support the killing of innocent people and the creation of a state on the blood of innocents.


The fact alone that you blindly link the two countries speaks much towards your ignorance.

The facts according to the KKK no doupt.

jeesh, your so our of touch with reality.

You are aware that there is a palestinian delegation present at every party the israeli embassy organizes, in every country.
I believe you are very troubled.

The fact alone that you see Israel as Serbia shows this. To you all those who support Israel are evil serbians.

Stroggy,
that does not work here, as I got nothing against Serbia or Serbs. As long as they are not claiming my country as their land. ;)

Where did I mix Serbia and Israel? I just point to similar things between those two, but you can read that the way you like. :)

And a bit about WW2. My grandfather was in concentration camp as well as many other people out of my country, but that do not give us right to make genocide today, does it?

Think a bit, that’s why you have a head.

There is part of you that knows I am right, and that there was genocide, that there was ethnic cleansing, but another part of you is doing what's being told to do...

In other words, you are a bit lost…

:ot: BACK TO RELIGION.. i believe in re-encarnation, the way the Ni-jangi monks of tibet beleive in it, that you will be reincarnated as a plankton if ur a mass-murderer or something but also your reincarnation can take place in the past present or future.. and ive got proof of people i know ..cos ive seen their reincarnations.

look at the attachment.. cos this is my mate nathan clark in his reincarnation.

oh and anubis ...SHUDUP!! carefull what u say here cos someone will get offended.

Ok we've all got views but be careful if you step on ppls toes, and ur not just stepping on toes your blatently hacking them off with a chainsaw.

Where does all this pointless argueing get you? :not_ok:

This is one reason why I hate religion and try to avoid it at all costs. Anytime it comes up in conversation with my "group" of friends I just get up and walk away without a word.

Religious Tolerance

If you want create a cult, make a post and write "NEED HELP - SOS" :angry:



:sniper: But, I think that is a bad idea......

Why reminding on that on an old thread then? Let is crumble to dust. ;)