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peace01 11-07-2008 07:57 AM

Too much eprsonal information is required in edit
 
My name, location and birht date are none of your busienss and should be required. Only requied information should be longin name and password. When I tried to change my password I hd it state that all the above information was required. You need to change that inforamtion to optinal.
You have no legitimate ned for that information and if it got out it could be used to steal my idtenty. Which is why i didn't give any of it accuartely other than my Country of location. With my name, city, state and biuirthdate anyone who wanted to steal my identy could easily do so.
So it should b totally otpional to add such information.
I suggest all users put false inforamtion in the fields.

Luchsen 11-07-2008 08:10 AM

It's widely known that Kosta collaborates with the ESA and collects any information to file a lawsuit against every single member of Abandonia.

The Fifth Horseman 11-07-2008 08:51 AM

Sure, sure... the only people beside Kosta himself who could access that information are the admins.
We don't check it without having a good reason, which pretty much means we barely ever do it at all.

Quote:

You have no legitimate ned for that information and if it got out it could be used to steal my idtenty. With my name, city, state and biuirthdate anyone who wanted to steal my identy could easily do so.
I suggest all users put false inforamtion in the fields.
End this paranoia bullshit already, will you?
Name, location and birth date are hardly sufficient for anyone to steal your identity. They'd also need your social ID number (which is called different things in different countries). Not to mention a purpose to use your identity for.

Also. Your birth date is only required when the forum displays user birthdays for current day, but you have to re-enter it in the forum profile for that to work. And there you can choose if you want it displayed to begin with, and if so then how (as in: age only, date only or full age & date).

Kugerfang 11-07-2008 09:19 AM

http://images-srv.leonardo.it/proget...-movie-bb1.jpg
Big Brother is watching.
"War is Peace; Freedom is Slavery; Ignorance is Strength."

Are you stupid or something?
http://findthefunnywire.com/storage/...rrestGump2.jpg

Japo 11-07-2008 09:59 AM

I dunno why all that information is required... Just enter false data if you want.

dosraider 11-07-2008 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peace01 (Post 330714)
With my name, city, state and biuirthdate anyone who wanted to steal my identy could easily do so.

:laugh:

THX peace01, started my day with a laugh.

Kugerfang 11-07-2008 10:54 AM

WTH? Someone deleted teh p1cture of Forrest Gump!

Quote:

Originally Posted by peace01
Too much erpsonal



epic lulz

Juanca 11-07-2008 03:33 PM

Oops peace01 i think it already happened....
now thousands of members stole your avatar picture id
http://www.abandonia.com/files/nopic.png

my god and it was such a good picture of you :(

_r.u.s.s. 11-07-2008 08:23 PM

i haven't seen sucha good burn in ages :laugh:

but yeah, if you don't want to insert your real data, just make stuff up

Lulu_Jane 12-07-2008 06:50 AM

I was going to steal your identity Peace01, but then I decided there can only be one person on earth who murders the English language like that, so you are safe... for now.

Sleep with one eye open buddy.

yoga 12-07-2008 07:10 AM

He he Juanca,
 
Good time, bad time...

off/
sorry
Juanca, are YOU a real yoga, pls?
I am.

yog
:D

nvrmre 12-07-2008 07:26 AM

Wow... if all you need is a name, location and birthdate to steal someone's identity, then the internet must be a goldmine.

That would mean a phone book is essentially a crime spree waiting to happen...

Seriously, if you don't feel comfortable giving such information, make something up. I don't think that the moderators will be making house calls to double check the accuracy of the info...

Kugerfang 12-07-2008 08:25 AM

Just like Russ, Russ isn't actually in Slovakia, he's the bum outside the mall.

Doink 12-07-2008 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nvrmre (Post 330771)
Wow... if all you need is a name, location and birthdate to steal someone's identity, then the internet must be a goldmine.

It is a goldmine and ID theft takes place all the time especially these days when banking and shopping can be done on line.

I agree name location and date of birth are not enough to steal somebodys identity but its a start from which more personal information could be found.

_r.u.s.s. 12-07-2008 09:09 AM

/me checks doink's location oh..south africa, that's why. tell me are you the "20 MILLION DOLLARS TRANSFER" dude who i've been pranking a week ago?

but seriously what do you mean by the internet shopping? how the hell is that related to your birthcountry or identity?

peace01 12-07-2008 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Fifth Horseman (Post 330717)
Sure, sure... the only people beside Kosta himself who could access that information are the admins.
We don't check it without having a good reason, which pretty much means we barely ever do it at all.


End this paranoia bullshit already, will you?
Name, location and birth date are hardly sufficient for anyone to steal your identity. They'd also need your social ID number (which is called different things in different countries). Not to mention a purpose to use your identity for.

Also. Your birth date is only required when the forum displays user birthdays for current day, but you have to re-enter it in the forum profile for that to work. And there you can choose if you want it displayed to begin with, and if so then how (as in: age only, date only or full age & date).

Ever here of a phone book with name, birthdate, and ext location yu can simple go to a phone book and find thier address. With just that much info you can get a credit card in someone's elses name. that is teh info needed to find someones sociaalsecurity number. And, the main point it isn't nescary for them to collect this information.
Isp will give them location, Age and name is unimportant.

Zoltan Mihaly 12-07-2008 09:28 AM

Lol
 
Ah, damn, you are aware of it now. I found out who you are, and broke into your house last night, and was about to steal your identity!!! but then I noticed you typing this post and I realised I have no chance. :cry:

:laugh:

dosraider 12-07-2008 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peace01 (Post 330777)
Ever here of a phone book with name, birthdate, and ext location yu can simple go to a phone book and find thier address. With just that much info you can get a credit card in someone's elses name. that is teh info needed to find someones sociaalsecurity number. And, the main point it isn't nescary for them to collect this information.
Isp will give them location, Age and name is unimportant.

peace01, make a list, on that list every one who has that info.
Put on that list every time you ever provided that info, school, biblio, work, whatevers and whatnots, hotels, any time you gladly provided that info to complete strangers.
Don't forget to add the times your parents had to give detailed info about you when you were a small child.

You may have nightmares now.

The Fifth Horseman 12-07-2008 10:26 AM

Quote:

Ever here of a phone book with name, birthdate, and ext location yu can simple go to a phone book and find thier address.
Yeah, sure. My name is John Reese. Which Sara Connor are you? :p
Quote:

With just that much info you can get a credit card in someone's elses name. that is teh info needed to find someones sociaalsecurity number.
Perhaps, perhaps not.
Are you trying to accuse the staff of this site of attempting identity theft on anyone?

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And, the main point it isn't nescary for them to collect this information.
It's not, but this is how the boss set up the registration process. Since the Drupal administrator controls are a chaotic mess, none of us have the slightest idea where the registration settings are dug up in the first place if we wanted to change them (like when there was talk of changing the location box to a text input).

Requiring the user to input name, age and location serves as a major deterrent for bot registration. We had perhaps three bots get in since the site upgrade - before that, it was more like a minimum of three bots a week.

Finally, you had to enter this information when registering... so if you're so freaking paranoid, why the hell did you register here (or anywhere else, for that matter) to begin with?

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peace01, make a list, on that list every one who has that info.
Put on that list every time you ever provided that info, school, biblio, work, whatevers and whatnots, hotels, any time you gladly provided that info to complete strangers.
Don't forget to add the times your parents had to give detailed info about you when you were a small child.
QFT.
Truth is, anyone can get full detailed information on your person if they put half their mind to it. There are places where you can't avoid providing it to people you don't know jack shit about - ever bought anything on eBay, for example?

Eagle of Fire 12-07-2008 12:01 PM

Now now folks, this is newbie bashing.

Everybody take a good, deep breath and get their idea clear for a moment.

Now continue with the newbie bashing. It's entertaining. :p

Kugerfang 12-07-2008 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Fifth Horseman (Post 330782)
There are places where you can't avoid providing it to people you don't know jack shit about

The School. "Confidential Information Form".....

Doink 12-07-2008 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _r.u.s.s. (Post 330776)
/me checks doink's location oh..south africa, that's why. tell me are you the "20 MILLION DOLLARS TRANSFER" dude who i've been pranking a week ago?

but seriously what do you mean by the internet shopping? how the hell is that related to your birthcountry or identity?

as the fith horseman said any one with half a mind could find more information

Using basic information like the name and birthdate location of an individual somebody could dig further and exploit the fact that people bank and shop online to find more detailed personal information.

we leave bits and peices of information all over the place with out realising.

is it worth making an issue of it? not really as somebody mentioned before just use false info.

_r.u.s.s. 12-07-2008 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doink (Post 330792)
Using basic information like the name and birthdate location of an individual somebody could dig further and exploit the fact that people bank and shop online to find more detailed personal information.

there you have it in my profile, 18th july 1988, live in nitra, slovakia, oh and yeah, my name is roman yanayev, good luck on getting my "peronal bank and shop detailed information"

(and i shop quite often)

nvrmre 12-07-2008 06:14 PM

While it is true that identify theft does occur, there is a point when caution becomes paranoia.

I could walk down the street and get mugged... does that mean that I am never going to leave my house?

The odds of being a victim to identity theft go down if you try top be conscientious and responsible when on the net. Like - stay away from shady sites, keep your computer clean from viruses, keyloggers, etc, don't be gullible with scams, etc.

It can happen to anybody, though my assumption is that the thieves prefer the easy targets - less work for them. Or they do something massive like breach a bank or medical clinic's records system. Using a forum registration with a few bits of info to try and steal an identity would seem rather futile - who's to say that information is even factual?

You give much more detailed and potentially damaging information out when you do any sort of online shopping. Or even offline for that matter, if you use anything other than cash to buy things. Even your mail has more detailed information, and think about how many hands that passes through.

Use your judgement - if you don't feel comfortable, don't do it.

The Fifth Horseman 12-07-2008 06:16 PM

You don't even need their name or birthdate to begin with.
If they used same username anywhere else and ever posted one of their e-mail adresses in public, they already left themselves wide open. Getting any other information about that person they might have left online becomes a matter of research time only.

I hope our new friend here is aware of this.

And as a side note. Peace01, did you register a different account on the site before? Because having two separate accounts is against the rules.

dosraider 12-07-2008 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Fifth Horseman (Post 330798)
... And as a side note. Peace01, did you register a different account on the site before? ....

He stole his own identity so to speak ?
:nuts:

peace01 13-07-2008 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dosraider (Post 330780)
peace01, make a list, on that list every one who has that info.
Put on that list every time you ever provided that info, school, biblio, work, whatevers and whatnots, hotels, any time you gladly provided that info to complete strangers.
Don't forget to add the times your parents had to give detailed info about you when you were a small child.

You may have nightmares now.


Why give itwhen it isn't nesacary there is no legitmate nee dhere so As my point the information shopuld be optional not required as it is now. If you want to give it out that is fine but don't tell me I have to give out information that isn't nesacary. Location can be found from Logging isp.
Name and birth date is unnessacary. WIthmy name and location someone can findmy address in the phone book with a country records search they can find me from my birth date. Why give one more person information the don't need. All yur personal information should be on a Need to know basis and frankluyy the site administrator doesn't need to know.
And, becayuse they made it mandaroty i gave false information.
the proper action is for them to switch this information to optional where it belongs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Fifth Horseman (Post 330798)
You don't even need their name or birthdate to begin with.
If they used same username anywhere else and ever posted one of their e-mail adresses in public, they already left themselves wide open. Getting any other information about that person they might have left online becomes a matter of research time only.

I hope our new friend here is aware of this.

And as a side note. Peace01, did you register a different account on the site before? Because having two separate accounts is against the rules.

No I did not I did try to register the same account witha different email but i never recieved a email as it does eat some email from some sites. So I register the exact same name with the new email.
Btw, you still have no need for my name or birth dtate and it won't keep me from habving two accounts if i choose to, As firo location ISP tells you that. My point is and has been this information should be made optional you ahve absolutely no eed for it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by nvrmre (Post 330797)
While it is true that identify theft does occur, there is a point when caution becomes paranoia.

I could walk down the street and get mugged... does that mean that I am never going to leave my house?

The odds of being a victim to identity theft go down if you try top be conscientious and responsible when on the net. Like - stay away from shady sites, keep your computer clean from viruses, keyloggers, etc, don't be gullible with scams, etc.

It can happen to anybody, though my assumption is that the thieves prefer the easy targets - less work for them. Or they do something massive like breach a bank or medical clinic's records system. Using a forum registration with a few bits of info to try and steal an identity would seem rather futile - who's to say that information is even factual?

You give much more detailed and potentially damaging information out when you do any sort of online shopping. Or even offline for that matter, if you use anything other than cash to buy things. Even your mail has more detailed information, and think about how many hands that passes through.

Use your judgement - if you don't feel comfortable, don't do it.

The point is and was that the information has no bussiness being mandatory!
It should bve optional. That is where you guys have it wrong. If I don't want to reveal my name location or birth date that is mshould be my choice. It isn't nesacary and doesn't help teh site in the least to know my name or birth date. and if they want my location they can get it from the og of my isp number. If you want to give out the inforamation more powerr to you!!

Kugerfang 13-07-2008 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _r.u.s.s. (Post 330795)
there you have it in my profile, 18th july 1988, live in nitra, slovakia, oh and yeah, my name is roman yanayev

http://www.gta4.tv/img/content/612.png
Niko, my cousin! Welcome to Liberty City!
Quote:

Niko Bellic is an Eastern European immigrant and a veteran of the Slovakian War, who, after persuasion from his cousin Roman, comes to Liberty City to pursue the American Dream.

_r.u.s.s. 13-07-2008 10:34 AM

kuger- lol

peace01..
* please don't double, and don't ever consider tripple posting again.

*ammount of exclamation marks in your post doesn't make it sound anything more serious, more like vice versa

*we know that it shouldn't be necessary. the site maker wanted to add a cool feature so you could find buddies who have the same interest like you around your location, but i believe it'd be removed as neccessary later on, the site just stopped in mid development because there were some issues with people who officially own this site (it's basically bunch of lazy <ehm>)

seriously by replies you can see that everybody took this topic half-seriously and understands what you mean to say, there's no need to go like !!!!!!!11111111111111111111111OENOENEONEOnononeone cosinus(0)

Dave 13-07-2008 12:05 PM

Yes peace01, I can read all your personal info, but seriously, do you really think that me and the other Admins are interested about them? Abandonia has more than 51000 members, we have a life and when we are here we try to help...not to act like thieves.

The problem is that we can't change things...not now.
Insert fake info if you want.

And guys stop newbie-bashing please, he's here to enjoy games like us...hopefully.

The Fifth Horseman 13-07-2008 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peace01 (Post 330817)
Why give itwhen it isn't nesacary there is no legitmate nee dhere so As my point the information shopuld be optional not required as it is now. If you want to give it out that is fine but don't tell me I have to give out information that isn't nesacary.
And, becayuse they made it mandaroty i gave false information.
the proper action is for them to switch this information to optional where it belongs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As firo location ISP tells you that. My point is and has been this information should be made optional you ahve absolutely no eed for it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Btw, you still have no need for my name or birth dtate and
The point is and was that the information has no bussiness being mandatory!
It should bve optional. That is where you guys have it wrong. If I don't want to reveal my name location or birth date that is mshould be my choice. It isn't nesacary and doesn't help teh site in the least to know my name or birth date. and if they want my location they can get it from the og of my isp number.
If you want to give out the inforamation more powerr to you!!

Learn to read, kiddo. While I agree that a lot of this should be optional, at the moment it is not and we can't change it even if we bloody wanted to, so stop the fucking drama!
If we could change it, we'd have done so months ago!

Quote:

Location can be found from Logging isp.
Dynamic IP. Read about it.

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Name and birth date is unnessacary. WIthmy name and location someone can findmy address in the phone book with a country records search they can find me from my birth date.
I take it you didn't understand the Sarah Connor reference?
Fact is, anyone can do it if they wanted to.

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Why give one more person information the don't need. All yur personal information should be on a Need to know basis and frankluyy the site administrator doesn't need to know.
You're getting ahead of yourself here.
As the administrators, we have complete access to all data on the site and all data entered in user profiles. It's right there in the job description.
It's not your place to dictate what we need or not need to know. Understood?

And by the way, did you ever complain to the administrators of an online store or an auction site that you had to provide any personal information when registering there? They have access to it, you know.

Quote:

No I did not I did try to register the same account witha different email but i never recieved a email as it does eat some email from some sites. So I register the exact same name with the new email.
Account name used was peace, and it was registered with an AOL e-mail adress. The only two differences between that and the one used to register your current account are the domain and number of zeroes in the username. Plus, both have the same ISP.

Quote:

it won't keep me from habving two accounts if i choose to,
"It" won't.
But then there's grumpy ol' Horseman, who can merge the accounts into one, ban them, or delete them both and wipe out every trace of their existence. In other words... trying to piss me off is suicidal. Succeeding marks you as a candidate for Darwin Awards.

GTX2GvO 13-07-2008 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Fifth Horseman (Post 330798)
If they used same username anywhere else and ever posted one of their e-mail adresses in public, they already left themselves wide open..............

Whhhooooppppsss........ :weird:

Oh. WAIT!!! I'm not afraid of ID theft......
Cause, ... Who would WANT my Identity???

I don't shop online, my Username, as stated in the quote above, is the same EVERYWHERE..
So that means they would only steal the same nagging character....
(without any revenue in it... :p)

So, really.... What's the fuzz???
Cause peace, if ANY of us Two would have much to worry about it would be ME!!!
And I'm not even Slightly worried, So PLEASE SHUT UP ABOUT IT!!

OK..? :)

Capo 13-07-2008 04:20 PM

What Luck! My own city isnt present in the abandonia database,ahahahahah evil identity stealer: You cant have me! :amused:

Sal 13-07-2008 10:17 PM

:laugh: Hey Peace....beware....Id stealing is NOT your main worry here.. Take note..if the "grumpy 'ol horseman" tells you not to piss him off..then don't do it....SAL

ysorian 13-07-2008 10:29 PM

Holy crud! this thread has taken on a life of its own :) but i must reiterate what SAL says :) ... Horseman scares me... truly :cry:

_r.u.s.s. 13-07-2008 10:41 PM

i probably shouldn't say this because i will get banned but horseman took my bicycle http://www.abandonia.com/vbullet/images/smilies/cry.gif

Zoltan Mihaly 13-07-2008 10:46 PM

Why does he need a bicycle? I thought he is into horses. A wain or a chariot ok, but a bicycle? :weird: :D

Sal 14-07-2008 12:05 AM

:laugh: Hmmmm...Russ I am afraid that if "grumpy" wants your bike then you have two choices....1. Take the bus
2. Learn to love walking

Lulu_Jane 14-07-2008 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _r.u.s.s. (Post 330866)
i probably shouldn't say this because i will get banned but horseman took my bicycle :cry:


I heard that he bathes in the tears of puppies... He's awesome :D

peace01 14-07-2008 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Fifth Horseman (Post 330830)
Learn to read, kiddo. While I agree that a lot of this should be optional, at the moment it is not and we can't change it even if we bloody wanted to, so stop the fucking drama!
If we could change it, we'd have done so months ago!


Dynamic IP. Read about it.


I take it you didn't understand the Sarah Connor reference?
Fact is, anyone can do it if they wanted to.


You're getting ahead of yourself here.
As the administrators, we have complete access to all data on the site and all data entered in user profiles. It's right there in the job description.
It's not your place to dictate what we need or not need to know. Understood?

And by the way, did you ever complain to the administrators of an online store or an auction site that you had to provide any personal information when registering there? They have access to it, you know.


Account name used was peace, and it was registered with an AOL e-mail adress. The only two differences between that and the one used to register your current account are the domain and number of zeroes in the username. Plus, both have the same ISP.

"It" won't.
But then there's grumpy ol' Horseman, who can merge the accounts into one, ban them, or delete them both and wipe out every trace of their existence. In other words... trying to piss me off is suicidal. Succeeding marks you as a candidate for Darwin Awards.


I do have the right to decided what you need to know when it is my eronal information.

I Have never used an auction site and very rarely have ever used online stores.

the number of zeros shoudl have been the same the other one i fugrred would have been deleted because I never conrfirmed it. As AOL doesbn't for some reason accept mail from your server. I never recieved the conformation number with the password from aol. I have had this problem with aol on several emails so I got a new web based email account. I refused to sign up with Hot mail because they required all outgoing mail to have your real name on it.

Eprsonally I would rahter you did delete the AOL information. Which i figured would have happened automatically when i didn't confirm or sign in after so long.

The Fifth Horseman 14-07-2008 09:08 AM

Quote:

the number of zeros shoudl have been the same the other one i fugrred would have been deleted because I never conrfirmed it. As AOL doesbn't for some reason accept mail from your server. I never recieved the conformation number with the password from aol. I have had this problem with aol on several emails so I got a new web based email account. I refused to sign up with Hot mail because they required all outgoing mail to have your real name on it.

Eprsonally I would rahter you did delete the AOL information. Which i figured would have happened automatically when i didn't confirm or sign in after so long.
That's odd, because two posts were made from that account on the forums.
I've sent you a PM on the matter.

ShadowBlade 18-07-2008 11:04 PM

Dear Peace01,

You can enter false information if it bothers you so much!
You can enter false information if it bothers you so much!
You can enter false information if it bothers you so much!
You can enter false information if it bothers you so much!
You can enter false information if it bothers you so much!

There. I hope it sticks this time. Stop making such a fuss about it.

As it has already been said, the information needed isn't enough to "steal your identity". And secondly, and more importantly, it's not like you have a thug pointing a gun at your head, forcing you to input real personal information while you're also hooked up to a lie detector.

EDIT: Whoops, this discussion died out four days ago. :confused:

peace01 23-07-2008 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShadowBlade (Post 331260)
Dear Peace01,

You can enter false information if it bothers you so much!
You can enter false information if it bothers you so much!
You can enter false information if it bothers you so much!
You can enter false information if it bothers you so much!
You can enter false information if it bothers you so much!

There. I hope it sticks this time. Stop making such a fuss about it.

As it has already been said, the information needed isn't enough to "steal your identity". And secondly, and more importantly, it's not like you have a thug pointing a gun at your head, forcing you to input real personal information while you're also hooked up to a lie detector.

EDIT: Whoops, this discussion died out four days ago. :confused:

Actually, I orginally posted as a suggestion for other who don't want o give out the information. Then I got flamed. So i responded to the flames.

dosraider 23-07-2008 08:10 AM

Is it only me or do this whole topic ....
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/3844/bullshitor2.png

_r.u.s.s. 23-07-2008 10:16 AM

and peace01 still doesn't get that everybody kind of joked

Lulu_Jane 23-07-2008 02:55 PM

Joking?

I just used this
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...g?t=1216824712

to help me purchase this
http://www.kesr.org.uk/images/groups/bodiam_castle.jpg

dosraider 23-07-2008 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lulu_Jane (Post 331618)
.... to help me purchase this ....

Hold your horses pumpkin, I still haven't signed the contract.
It isn't yours, yet.

peace01 24-07-2008 08:07 AM

Lulu that was funny
 
I will readily admit that was funny.

dosraider 24-07-2008 09:48 AM

Glad to hear you didn't take it eprsonal.

Dave 24-07-2008 10:16 AM

But I did! :oh:
Where is my cake??

Ok, I think this could be closed :p

ysorian 25-07-2008 06:15 AM

you cant close this thread! its been too much fun! :wondering:

Luchsen 25-07-2008 02:39 PM

The 12th Commandment: Thou shalt close funny threads when they are in a serious part of a forum.

GTX2GvO 25-07-2008 03:20 PM

Wait. If that's the 12th Commandment. What's the 11th then?? :huh:

Japo 25-07-2008 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTX2GvO (Post 331732)
Wait. If that's the 12th Commandment. What's the 11th then?? :huh:

Thou shalt not bash newbies? :P

dosraider 25-07-2008 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTX2GvO (Post 331732)
Wait. If that's the 12th Commandment. What's the 11th then?? :huh:

The 11th:
You will ignore the 12th commandment.


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