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Kon-Tiki 14-01-2005 10:23 PM

Fifth exercise, in the solution, how did they get -6? In my eyes, logically, the outcome'd be non-existing, due to division by 0.

Havell 14-01-2005 10:57 PM

This is calculus, that means the thing you should be interested in is the value of the function as x approachs 9, not when it equals 9 so the denominator will get very small but should not quite be 0.

Kon-Tiki 14-01-2005 11:00 PM

How do they get -6 then instead of 0? Or in this case, very close to -6 instead of very close to 0?

Also, how'd they get rid of the bottom part of the division in the next to one last exercise?

xoopx 14-01-2005 11:30 PM

OW MY BRAIN

Havell 14-01-2005 11:34 PM

In the next to last question, they canceled the denominator with the expanded (x-4) cubed to get (x-4)|x-4| which tends towards 0.

Fawfulhasfury 14-01-2005 11:40 PM

How does (x-4) cubed lead to 0

Kon-Tiki 14-01-2005 11:56 PM

Found what they did in both. Seems that they did this:
9-x = (sqrt(x)+3)(-sqrt(x)+3)
And x-9 = (sqrt(x)+3)(sqrt(x)-3)
So they can scratch (sqrt(x)+3), leaving
(-sqrt(x)+3) <blablabla> / (sqrt(x)-3).
Then they put the top - outside of the brackets, giving this:
-(sqrt(x)-3) <blablabla> / (sqrt(x)-3)
You can now scratch (sqrt(x)-3), leaving:
-<blablabla>.
In the 5th exercise, it ends up beautifully in -6. In the next-to-last one, it ends up in
|x-4|?
I haven't fully figured out why they tossed one out in front, so that it looks like
(x-4)|x-4|

Thanks goes to Pogo on another forum for pointing the sqrt(x) thingy out.

Borodin 15-01-2005 02:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by xoopx@Jan 15 2005, 12:30 AM
OW MY BRAIN
Amen to that, brother. Whenever I hear this kind of discussion my eyes glaze over and I begin searching for a Klien bottle to jump into.

Kon-Tiki 15-01-2005 02:59 AM

Meh, just a matter of not thinking "I don't understand this" on first sight, but try to follow the reasoning. That's how I'm improving on it, and I suck at math :ok:

Borodin 15-01-2005 03:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kon-Tiki@Jan 15 2005, 03:59 AM
Meh, just a matter of not thinking "I don't understand this" on first sight, but try to follow the reasoning. That's how I'm improving on it, and I suck at math :ok:
On first sight? I've been trying to learn higher math probably for more years than you've been living, simply because I *felt* I should. I even asked my wife to explain algebra, which I took a year of back in high school long ago. Of course, she's a math head; but although she tried diligently, it didn't work. Give me words, colors, sounds; even give me the logic behind words. But I prefer the emotion behind logic. ;)

Kon-Tiki 15-01-2005 03:59 AM

Hehehe, alright :ok: Most people just give up as soon as something looks like it's over their heads, so I assumed that.

Stuck at something else again. How can I calculate the limit for 2 in
x?-x-2
--------
x?-3x+2

I know I have to work that lower part away by simplifying both upper and lower part, but I can't figure out how exactly.

Iron_Scarecrow 15-01-2005 10:41 AM

I haven't done this for a couple weeks. Been on holidays, and my brain has gone numb from it. But I think you divide through by the x?, then solve. But of course I have gotten really lazy in maths lately due to the amount of work that is required so I don't know much.

Data 15-01-2005 10:48 AM

about number five: if 0/0 apears in a limit then you take the derivative of both parts:

so
9-x => -1

x^1/2 -3 => 1/2* x^-1/2 (fill x=9 :1/6 )

result is -1 / (1/6) = -6

Iron_Scarecrow 15-01-2005 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kon-Tiki@Posted on Jan 15 2005, 12:00 AM
How do they get -6 then instead of 0? Or in this case, very close to -6 instead of very close to 0?

But before when they got -6 for the answer. When x approaches 9 the easiest number to use that is close to 9 is 10, you may use 8. So replace all x's with 8 or 10.

Square root of 10 it between 3 and 4 but closer to 3. So you will have (-1)(6)/1.

Square root of 8 is between 2 and 3 but closer to 3. So you will have (1)(6)/-1.

Both equal -6.

Stroggy 15-01-2005 12:16 PM

This is a simple math issue for limits. I'll say it in dutch.

Als het originele antwoord 0/0 is dan moet je de teller en de noemer ontbinden in factoren.
Dan moet je de storende factor wegdelen en dan de x vervangen door het oorsprongkelijk in te vullen getal.


xoopx 15-01-2005 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kon-Tiki@Jan 15 2005, 04:59 AM
Hehehe, alright :ok: Most people just give up as soon as something looks like it's over their heads, so I assumed that.

Stuck at something else again. How can I calculate the limit for 2 in
x?-x-2
--------
x?-3x+2

I know I have to work that lower part away by simplifying both upper and lower part, but I can't figure out how exactly.

i hired a private tutor once, and for 30 minutes i understood perfectly vectors and matrices that id never been able to grasp.

my brain rejected this revelation after a day, and it was like chinese to me again.


Sebatianos 15-01-2005 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kon-Tiki@Jan 15 2005, 06:59 AM
Stuck at something else again. How can I calculate the limit for 2 in
x?-x-2
--------
x?-3x+2

I know I have to work that lower part away by simplifying both upper and lower part, but I can't figure out how exactly.

Simplify and you get:

(x - 2) (x + 1) (x+1)
-------------- = ---------
(x - 2) (x - 1) (x-1)

Now just go on from there!

Kon-Tiki 15-01-2005 02:03 PM

Thanks all :ok: Now on to the next parts. Still so much to study, far from enough time :not_ok:

Omuletzu 15-01-2005 03:19 PM

OMG these are the exercises i do at school
I hate limits!(that's how my lesson is called) :ranting:



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