Ultima VIII - Pagan
 

Feel free to comment and discuss this game here. Also, if you have any useful tips or tricks don't hesitate to share them with the others! Thanks!

Review

abandonia's RPG section is growing.. cool.. but one thing came across my mind just now..

"why Pagan before Serpent Isle??" still no review for Serpent Isle?

for the record.
You don't need vdmsound to get sound effects/music under dosbox.

hmmm
how odd
the game runs very slowly
I've tried ctrl+f12 in dosbox but that doesn't have any effect.

Do you hear the people talk? because I can't seem to skip the dialogue... and the dialogue lasts for a very long time.

You have to klick with mouse on it in order to skip it.
As for the speed, I increased the cpu cycles with ctrl+F12 to 11500, this is then good speed for the game, perhaps 12500 would be perfect then.

Download Ultima 8
 

I cannot Download Ultima 8 from this site.

I had no problems when tried to download the game... :?

I've tried it, I think I still prefer the 7, the gloomy spirit isn't for me, and the lack of overview of quite annoying.
The animation of the PC and NPCs is quite choppy and the movement can be quite annoying IMO.

yesssssss.. ssssserpent isssssssssle issssss the besssssssst part of all..

i haven't played ultima ix - assssssssscensssssssion though.. but ssssssssome people ssssssssaid that ultima ix isssssss the worssssssssst..

(i'm trying to become the earth sssssssserpent.. 8) )

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this is the best ultima game I've played, and I actually own it! I only got it working for my laptop...now I'll try dosbox for this computer. I still have the box and cd, and everything!

Do you mean Ultima IX or Ultima VIII now? Because Ultima IX is a Windows game and could never run under DosBox (doesn't need that too).

i want serpent isle.. i miss serpent isle.. :(

the differences between the 7th series and pagan are just too much.. can't say i enjoyed playing pagan but still..

It runs REALLY slowly for me. The dialog is choppy and it takes a very long time to load the startup. I'm using DoSBox, anyone know how to fix this? It would be GREATLY appreciated.

The only solution I can think of, right now is to try and increase the speed in DOSbox....

Ctrl + F11 (decrease speed)
Ctrl + F12 (increase speed)

That didn't work, it was more choppy than slow. Although it was REALLY slow...

If you make cpu cycles higher than your PC can handle the simulation will be even slower than before.
Therefore I would suggest that you get a new PC now. :)

It was slow on my old computer, but I bought a new one recently therefore it should run fine...

I'm getting a new computer shortly, so I'll try it on that one...must...play...Pagan - Ultima 8 again...

it dosen't work with dosbox. couls someone help?

it worked with dosbox.. my computer spec is AMD-2600 with 512 DDRam and with 15000 cpu cycle it still got choppy though, and if i tried to get more than that it'll go even sluggish..

very very annoying i tell ya.. :?

Hmm, my PC is P4 2.4 Ghz and I only use 11500 cycles, the game is fast enough then... :? Perhaps 15000 is already too much for your CPU and it becomes sluggish?

well, i remember using 13500 cycles and it is choppy.. maybe you're right.. i'll try it right away.. thx :D

btw, nice avatar.. :)

Thx :D

I tried to install it in ms-dos ( Win 98 ) But it keeps asking for disk1. So i tried burning it to disk, but i still get the same message. Even when i just try to run u8.exe without installing in dos, it comes up with "Abnormal Exception" without starting up. Any suggestions?

Asking for disk1???... :? You don't need to quit Windows 98 and start in Ms-Dos mode to play the game, just run the game with the Dos-prompt linkage in your startmenu.
Anyway, if this doesn't help, try to play the game with DosBox, which you can get on this site, the game should run without problems there. Btw, you better use DosBox in Windows XP, not 98, because Windows XP is faster for Windows programs than Windows 98.

I know that Pagen was one of the last hand drawn games made, for it's time. It was also one of the most detailed hand drawen games ever. With the most fps. for a hand drawen game. I'm not sure if that has changed after 1994. Anyway I thought someone should mention it, after the enourmous amount of man hour's that went into it.

And I must say it is a wonderful game indeed...except it also runs choppy with DosBox for me...

found a rather shocking fact!! :shock:

dosbox actually works better with windows 2000 coz when i played pagan, it doesn't get choppy.. i repeat, it DOESN'T get choppy.. same with other games..

hope this helps.. :)

Well, under Windows XP on my PC it isn't choppy at all... :?

meaning.. something wrong with my xp? :?

Either XP or with your PC's configuration... But perhaps it's just little slower PC also...

oh well.. i can always switch to win 2k to play some old games.. plus, i also use it to work.. just some kind of a win-win solution.. :)

My comp is almost the same as eric and I have the same problem...

I guess I'll have to abandon Ultima 8 - Pagan. On a side note it doesn't work on my 98 computer either probably because it's pretty darn old.

durak, maybe you want to try installing win 2k? :P just for the sake of playing pagan..

If I hadn't already played it before in dos, I'd die.

2k? Nah. I'll settle with my memories and continue to play Dizzy for the sake of flipping.

i think i played pagan once when i still used.. well, either 98 SE or ME.. and it worked nicely though..

That cannot be the case... after all the game is made in 1994!
So unless you are running the game on a 60 Mhz machine, the game will work

On 486DX2 with 66 Mhz the game still runs with flawless speed.

Hrm. Guess I'd better try it again.

I cant install this game on dos box

it keeps on saying:

halting:internal error
where:installing.c -761
reason sound/a16sbfm.dll

help plzz

What do you mean with "I cant install the game on DosBox"? You cannot set the sound in the install.exe or you try to "install" the game somehow somewhere? :huh:

You can try an alternative client here - http://pentagram.sourceforge.net/
Kinda like Exult for Ultima 7.

Yes pentagram is good. It is from the same people as exult, but is still alpha as you can see in this cvs changelog snippet:
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ("Pentagram CVS")</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
2004-10-08* Matthew Jimenez <mjimenez@users.sourceforge.net>
* world/actors/AnimationTracker.*: targeted jump do not affect z.
* Avatar should not be able to jump higher, and gravity + inertia
* should take care of falling.

2004-10-08* Willem Jan Palenstijn <wjpalenstijn@users.sourceforge.net>
* games/U8Game.cpp: put avatar in stasis at the beginning

2004-10-08* Willem Jan Palenstijn <wjpalenstijn@users.sourceforge.net>
* gumps/PaperdollGump.cpp, gumps/SliderGump.cpp: use FontManager

2004-10-07* Matthew Jimenez <mjimenez@users.sourceforge.net>
* kernel/GUIApp.cpp: clean up the textmodes input handling for possible
* additions to type of input it could handle.
[/b][/quote]

When you emulate is in dosbox you should try the latest patch, which you can still find on ea's ftp. The patch repairs many plot bugs and finally the avatar jumps where you want him to jump. Makes ultima 8 a less jump & run.

c ya

One of the best games of all time...

Experiment with CTRL-F11, CTRL-F12 and CTRL-F7 and CTRL-F8. I have up to date computer and it was hell of a choppy. It works averagely now.

Great site, I discovered it two days ago and I am in Heaven!

I downloaded Ultima 8 to play in my Win98SE PC and I am having some trouble. I am using your system disk utility to start up the PC, but when I load U8 the system freezes.

Any ideas? :help:

This question belongs rather to Troubleshooting. ;)
Anyway, did you try to play the game in DosBox? You can get it also from this site under Programs.

Actully it belongs here as well, Freddy ;)

I thought DOSBox was only good for WinXP. I'll give it a shot.

Thanks.

I can't get the damn thing to install at all. I've tried extracting the whole thing and running INSTALL.EXE under both Dos Box and VDM sound. Neither one was able to install the game. I kept getting the message "Halted: Internal Error!" no matter what I did. How do I install this damn game?

It appears that somebody else was having the exact same problem I am right now. I have no idea what the error message means, nor do I know how it might be fixed. I looked at that Pentagram site but it was of no help. Any ideas?

Tried DOSbox in my Win98SE system. 750Mhz, 128MB RAM. Pagan runs, but way too slowly. Processor usage goes up the roof, so I can't increase cycle rates for positive results. Open to more suggestions...

People expiriencing problems with U8 should wait some time for a better release of Pentagram. I think in a few weeks it will be playable.

750 Mhz are way too little for DosBox. Actually at least Pentium 3 with 1 Ghz is needed for it, with 2 Ggz the emulation of Dosbox would reach acceptable speed then. More - better.

For all of you who have been frustrated with trying to run Ultima 8 with DOSbox, I have some news

A very good man has come up a way of playing U8 (and both parts of U7 too) in windows.

you can find this all at Ron Windemeyer's Webpage

I cant seam to instal Ultima 8. It says in beggining that I dont have enough memory for such a game (huh i have 128 mb ram that is more then enough for this kind of game) then i got to instal press instal and nothing happens nothing gets instaled :(

I haven't played this game, but usually when old games refer to lack of memory they mean conventional DOS memory or ems. What OS are you using? Win 98? Win XP?

I have win xp. But I cant install the game either :(

You don't need to install it, it's in the installed state already. Just move it to some folder and start the game. And you should play it under DosBox, under Windows XP it won't run at all.

I have tryed to make DosBox it starts and all and I have mounted it and it is Z patrition??? How do I strt the game in it?

so youve typed mount c **********

*** being the drive the games on and folders etc?

then type

c:

then run , go, menu etc. whatever runs the game

type dir/p to see all the files in the folder you mounted.

Hey guys, first of all congratulations for your beautiful site!!! it really kicks behind! :ok: :ok: :ok:


a request now : does anyone have the maps of Pagan? I downloaded the game last year but I'm always getting lost in this game, since it is sooo vast and all.
any help would be greatly appreciated people!

what about lands of lore 1? any chance we see it some day in abandonia???

alright, this "guest" is me. I just registered. So, the question remains : any maps for paaaaaaaaaagaaaannn??



I'd also like to say that I just discovered this wonderful site through the underdogs a few days ago. I have already downloaded 4-5 games and it feels great to be able to play these games again!!!!!

THANK YOU ABANDONIA!!! :kosta: :kosta: :kosta: :kosta: :kosta: :kosta:

Hello,
I have a question: I am able to run Ultima 8 with dosbox and d-fend on my system (after a lot of changing settings) but for some reason when I walk into the town some walls of the houses are black instead of normally textured and also most houses are almost completely empty inside (no tables, books etc). I also think not all characters are in the game. (Also almost no enemies) Explosions from fire mushrooms look black also.
Does anybody know what my problem is?
Some kind of wrong setting in dosbox/d-fend?
Maybe someone can give the settings he uses.
Btw I use the version of ultima 8 that i downloaded from this site so I think I have all the data of the game.

Don't bother. Ultima 8 smells.

Ok, I have tested Pentagram now and this seems to solve the problem of dissappeared objects. Only now I don't have sound only midi music :-(

I'm having this problem using Pentagram. First of all, DosBox didn't work for me cuz it was just so slow... even if I gave it more processor... So, I tried pentagram but I have two basic problems: There is no sound, altough there is music... and I don't want to see the pentagram console above the game... I just want to play it like old times :P Any help?

I forgot about something else.... I can't enter any of options choices (video, audio...) it simply doesn't let me.

OMG I love U8!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 waa this game is the bomb /tear

remembering all the great days i wasted playing this game when i was like 14 just makes me all happy inside! LOL

Its says for me.........
Files=40 You must set your files=40 in your CONFIG.SYS.
Help would be greatly appreciated.

:wall: i cant get it to work!

i got the sound thing and i have the dos command prompt window (i have XP) but every time i select U8.exe the dos prompt comes up and then closes automaticaly without starting the program. :wall: what am i :wall: doing :wall: wrong

Perhaps you should play it in Dosbox?

hey guys, could anyone explain how to apply the patch that comes with the download? also, do you recommend doing this?

nevermind above post:)

help pls its not i workin it wont dl i dont know why :rifle: :Titan:

Writing more understandable wouldn't hurt...
Anyways, try to download without a download manager.

Just want to throw in my 2 cents about this game. At the time, Ultima 8 created quite a stir in the Ultima fan-base because it differed so much from its predecessors in terms of game mechanics because it was more action-oriented, contained a smaller world and only allowed a single control character as opposed to a party.

It didn't help that when it was released there were numerous bugs and also some very annoying mario-like jumping sections, which were addressed by a stream of patches. However, Richard Garriot, I think more than a year later surprised everyone by releasing a huge patch that addressed the remaining bugs, elimated some of the tedious jumping sections, added lots of new content and wrote a nicely stated "thank you" message to Ultima fans and acknowledged past issues and gripes with the game and hoped this would help them to enjoy the game as it meant to be.

I was very impressed that Garriot did this, when the games sales were already cold from being out more than a year and no one expected any further enhancements for the game. It might have been a year and half later, I forget exactly. But the patch so significantly improved the game experience that I really think Ultima 8 didn't get it's due credit. It's one of my favorite RPG's (and yes I've played the Ultima series from 1- 8 starting with my original Apple 5 1/2 inch floppy disks on my Apple IIe computer). Playing Ultima 8, I remember "oohing and aahing" during the summon animations for my elementals. The hand drawn 2d graphics and were amazing at the time (and I'm sure they still are). I loved the game so much I later bought another copy just incase my original somehow got corrupted.

While definitely the U6 to U7 games with expansions do offer a longer, bigger and more epic and satisfying experience overall, Ultima 8, if taken for what it is, is definitely a world class game and one that I'm sad that no expansion game was made (although it was planned but ditched due to the public outcry of U8 at the time, less than expected sales). What a shame. This game also showed how much Garriot really appreciated his fans that he'd work long hours to improve the game and help reconnect to his fanbase.

update: you know on second thought...I think his patch was actually released more than 2 years past the original game release. I remember thinking how surprised everyone was that there was a new patch. Anyone remember exactly?

i need help, when i install U8 it says "you may not have enouhg memory to install this game. hit any butan to exit" so i do and i fill out the sound card and all and hit install thin......nothing happins. the window goes dawn and NOTHING HAPPINS :wall:.
so if you know what to do help me. :help:
P.S. i have win XP.

O. i got it now never mind.
:ok:

completely agree with the long post above:)

i actually never finished the game because of those stupid jump parts, and lost interest before hearing about the patch..now i can enjoy the game like i should've..6 years ago!

DAMN IT STILL DONT WERK :wall: :not_ok:
help still wonted.

DAMN IT STILL DONT WERK :wall: :not_ok:
help still wonted.

I need help damn. :wall:
I cant get the VDMsound any ware. its gon!
and the DOSBOX how do you use that?
I install it and nothing happins.
so if any one knows what to do HELP ME!!!
:sniper: :ok:

I DID IT!!!!! :D
YAS!!!!!! IT WERKS IT WERKS!!!!!!!
I GOT IT TO WERK. finely. after 2 years it werks thanks all. :cheers:
:ok: :ok: :ok: :ok: :ok: :ok:
:D :D :D LOL

but no sound. i got music. but no sound.
and what are the controls?

Ok, some advice:

To install the game if the installer fails in WinXP try using DosBox. Mount your root directory as drive F for example and start the installer. Change the destination path so that it would start with F:\ (to something like F:\Ultima8) and do not forget to set up the sound.

Running the game is a different matter. If you use DosBox, you will get full sound but the game speed will depend on the speed of your CPU. You may use the boot disk (load the computer in DOS mode and start the game as you would 6 years ago). This will require setting up the correct DOS drivers for your sound card and working a bit more with the game installer. Or you could use the program called U8Win9x, which patches the game and lets you play directly under Win9x, WinME and WinXP. Note that in this case you will need to set up the VDMSound utility as well. I myself couldn’t get it to work correctly(maybe simply because the installer got corrupt finally :) ) All I could squeeze out of it was the music, but the sound effects would not play.

Hope that helps!

Tried DosBox first, but things were too choppy for me to handle. [And WHY does such an old game need SO much memory?! Bah!]

So now I'd like to try Pentagram.

I've downloaded all the stuff I need, but I do not understand the directions for setting it up. I need some Pentagram 101. Explicit directions. No, not that kind of explicit.

Can anyone help? Is there a site out there that already does what I'm looking for?

Rebecca
redhotkitchen at earthlink.net

How about reading the FAQ on the Pentagram homepage for starters? Pentagram isn't complete anyway, so you're still stuck with using DosBox. Try increasing the CPU cycles to speed the game up, and read the Guide on this forum. ;)

To the guy needing help running this game in DOSBOX.

Ok, This might help you out a bit. I'm another person having trouble with this game. After hours of messing around with the settings, these seem to work the best for me on my 1.2 ghz machine.

CPU=Simple
Dos memory=16 MB
Render Method=Surface
Resolution=320x200
Scale=none
Frameskip=3
cycles=8000 <----- YES, 8000. This is all the game really needs. This will save your computer precious CPU power to use helping to emulate other things. Like sound.
Sample rate=11025
Turn off all sound emulation except soundblaster.
Turn off joystick support.
XMS=on
EMS=off

Granted, unless you have 2gh plus this won't get the game running anything close to smooth, but the game IS playable like this.

Nice game. Very nice, but the ultima online 2D is also very nice game. :Titan:

how could i get hooked up with ultima 5?
Also is there a second operating program, like exult for ultima 7
and nuvie for 6?

You can find all the Ultimas that are not (yet) on Abandonia here:

http://www.abandonware-france.org/

It's a French site, but most of the games are in English anyway.

I'm not aware of an emulation program for U5 that would actually work, but you can run it in DosBox, if that helps.

Thankyou! After years of waiting, i can finally play it again!

Th emusic doesnt work for me. :angry: i mean the sound works and even when i turn music on it doesnt work :ranting:

Set the music options to general midi, like Roland SC or Roland RAP-10 then it should work when in Dosbox

Hey you guys when i want to play the game, it does start up, the game says I dont have a compatible mouse driver installed....?

I have windows 1998 se, perhaps somebody knows what's wrong??

Dosbox, dude, Dosbox. Already looked on the main page?

Does DOSBox work with Win98? I don't think so...

Sure it does

nimm 4 wochen urlaub und spiel dieses spiel!!!!!! wer es nicht kennt, der sollte die nachholen!!!!!!! jepp

Hey guys, I'm glad I found this site. I've been looking for a copy of Pagan for a while. I can't seem to figure out how to download from the site though. Any help?

Sorry, you can't download the game any more. Here's why: http://www.abandonia.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=5252

Hey, I own ultima 8 and it installs fine and starts up fine following the installation. But when i try to run it again after i quit out of it, it says it is suffering from an incomplete installation, and i can't play it. I don't feel like having to reinstall the game every time i want to load it up.
I tried downloading the french version hoping it would be in english, but it's not (i am currently studying french, but i aint that great at it).
any suggestions as to how to fix this "incomplete installation" problem? :wall:

Yes, when you install the game under Windows or DosBox, it breaks up in the middle of uncompressing the shapes file. The only thing that could help there is to install the game in pure Dos and only after that play it in DosBox. :)

where can i download ultima 8???

Erm, didn't you read the previous posts in this thread? :blink:
You can't download the game because it's ESA-protected.

Uploaded a bunch of scans for the game, including a couple from the Speech Pack :D

I´ve that mouse driver problem too. But my computer isn´t so fast to run this game under dosbox-it´s celeron 333, 32 ram and win 95 (realy museal LOL).
What i´ve to do? Thx for your help.

REALY GOOD SITE, GUYS! DON´T GIVE IT UP! :Brain: :Brain: :Brain:

I forogt I had this game still, looked in my cd holder that I have had games in and there was ultima 8 pagan still along with day of the tentacle on cd as well from long ago ( and some others like wing commander). Wish I still had Sam and Max on CD.

I got this game in a Ultima collection thing several years ago and I didn't realy like it that much. Its just that in all of the previous Ultima games you had a party with you and it was kind of disapointing not having that.

HOW CAN I DOWNLOAD THIS GAME PAGAN ULTIMA 8

HOW CAN I BUY IT THEN?
ONLINE

Ebay sells it now and then - look for the Ultima Collection, it's worth buying.

I got this game woth my PC in 1994. But I finish the game only in 2004. Ten years... it's a dream coming to reality... :D

My dream would have come to reality if the expansion for Ultima 8 would ever has been released. But there isn't even any fan-work for that... *sigh*

Setting frame skip to 3 will help improve speed.

This is the first RPG/Adventure game I'd ever played back then, and I simply LOVED it. I'd played it so much that the entire map of Pagan, with even the little details, was memorized in my brain. I don't understand why some people don't like it as much as the previous Ultima games, it also deserves praise.

Exactly my words. This game is in quite some elements new and superior to the previous series. The dark mood created by music, the good animations for spells and combat, the grand story and the mysterious and interesting world this game was simply beautiful. I also remember all the locations of Pagan completely. :D

If my character is in a battle with characters that can cast any number of spells, shifting instantly, at a moment's notice, but I can't do that--having to root through a backpack in realtime--then something is wrong. And if I have to jump from stone to stone to cross a river, and whatever level of character I have, if I click accidentally with a mouse in the wrong place my character drowns--I've got better things to do, and other games to play.

Luckily for you, there are other games that you can play that don't require patience from you like this one. Not all people obviously know that there is a savegame-feature and that some games require little patience and interest to be enjoyed... :rolleyes:

ROFL! Even luckier for me, tbere are many people who understand that when feature-level aspects of a game are asinine, the answer isn't to tell folks, "Go play your saved game again and again from that point until you agree to like the feature." :whistle:

I know this game isn't downloadable here, but I thought I'd just help out all those people with the .c error in their installs.

The reason this happens is because the simulated DOS environment you've created with DOSbox is incorrectly structured. Presumably to load the disk you have mounted D: as D:, but now you are telling the program to write to your C: drive, which DOSbox has never heard of. To get around this, mount both disks, using a frontend if this is all a bit confusing (I recommend D-Fend).

Once you have both C: and D: mounted (as literally themselves), voila.

I actually own the game, have the original box with pentagram coin and map, but on diskettes!! All 8 are accounted for but nr. 7 seems to have some glitch so it doesn't install... :( I loved it.

I used to play this game so many times and for so long, it was one of
the best ultima's in the series

Okay, couldn't resist. After getting two spanissh version i finally got ahold of an english one. Downloaded this Dosbox-thingie too, and even got the came running. Slow as hell, the music is choppy, and it only displays in a window the size of my palm... using XP btw... tried running it straight from the XP DOS promt but got some error message or other. Pressing f7,f8,f11,f12 does absolutely nothing.... oh well... :ranting:

Is there some free-download links ?

Maximize the DosBox to full screen with ALT+Enter, and increase the speed of DosBox emulation, thus the speed of the game, with CTRL+F12 (decrease with CTRL+F11). ;)
And don't play it in Windows XP, complete waste of time. :max:

No, sorry.

hey i have pagan on CD and i ahve DOS box and can install te game fine but when i try to run it, it says program halted by code, does anyone know how to fix it?

thanks

When you install the game from CD, it has to decompress the shapes-file at the first start, and if the decompression isn't finished because freezed, as it is the case in DosBox, then the game isn't playable anymore - file damaged, and you need to install it again.
And if you start the game first time in Windows XP or Windows 98, the game won't even start there, so there is a dilemma.
You would need a boot-disc with pure DOS to start the game first time and let it decompress the shapes-file completely, but be sure to set the sound and music as "none" in the setup before running it, as the game starts afterwards and in boot disc there are no drivers for soundcard unless you add some yourself. And you need to let the game start after unpacking to complete the it. After that you can quit the game via ALT+X and run the game without problems in DosBox from now on.

HOW CAN I DOWNLOAD THE GAME!?!

I want to get the Ultima 7 & 8 on this site, but there is no link in the page to download the file!

CLICK HERE FOR A LOOK!

When I went to that page, it says uploaded by Freddy, but where can I download it? There's no link, no button, nothing~!

Do I need to register to the site? Log-in to make a "download button" appear? Or is it written in a font too small for the naked eye?

Okay, I won't insult your intelligence, but the ESA No-Go! Button speaks for itself.
If you don't know what the ESA is, then you should at least understand No-Go!
You won't find a chance of downloading it here, or receiving a link.

Feel free to browse through the other games (There are tons of them, many of them are great) and download the ones that aren't ESA protected.

Or try other sites that have these games for download unlike this one. ;)

But be careful - there are sites there that are offering it - but shouldn't! :angry:

Well, I have a different problem from any listed so far. I've been playing the game for about two days now. I am running it in DosBox, speed is good, no problems getting it to run. I'm enjoying it quite a bit--even the jumping isn't all that bad.

However, I have just hit the second spot in which the game completely locks up. The first time was in the Palace Dungeon as soon as I read Bendic's diary, which was in the evidence room. Restored, played around with DosBox, did some different things in the game, went back and BAM! Same thing. Looking at a walkthrough, apparently I am supposed to be arrested here by three guards, so I think that it's locking on an animation .

Temporary fix was to not read the diary and play around that plot line. Unfortunately, it's just happened again when I finally meet Lithos in the Hall of the Mountain King. This is especially irritating because, if you've played the game, you know that if you miss the side passages and go straight through, you get teleported back to the beginning and have to go through the caves (and the jumping bits) all over again.

I missed the side passages. This is a bad thing. :ranting: :ranting: :ranting:

So after hours in the caves, I finally run panting through a gauntlet of ghouls and skeletons. Lithos appears, I made it, I'm happy--and the game locks up. I'm thinking another animation is the trigger.

I doubt anyone can help. If you have a suggestion, I'd love to hear it. At least I got it running and had some fun with it. I don't know if anyone here has played far enough through recently to know if this is a common problem.

Wow, this is a long post. Well, if it helps anyone else--do not, and I mean do not, step on the giant rune stone in the caverns until you have found Lithos. Limecat was fit to be tied.

http://limecat.net/

Well said...
Everybody throw rotten vegetables at the pirate GameFreak!!!

Oh, one more thing.

Everyone having problems with the speed, don't use the CTRL-F8/F12. It just makes it choppy. Instead, try using the DosBox Config. Change the line reading cycles=(number) to at least 10000 or 11000. I have it on 13000. Then Save and Run.

I also think the game has a memory leak so if it begins to lag, exit and restart.

??? :eeeeeh: ???

the dosbox.conf file?

:whistle:
I'm an idiot, I know...

If you're using DosBox 0.63, it should be in your program bar so Start-Programs-DosBox-0.63-DosBox.conf. The config file will open in Notepad. If it isn't on your bar, then look for dosbox.conf in your DosBox folder and open it with Notepad. As always, make a backup of the original before editing it.

Another thing I changed was to run it fullscreen. Just change the fullscreen=false attribute to true.

I figured out my problem with the locking up. It has something to do with the speech pack. So right before I hit the problem spots, I turn everything off in the Options (just to be safe). No music, no sound effects=no problems. Once I've gotten past the point and saved, I turn them back on again.

Limecat is very happy. LOL

Who needs, will find, no matter how others like you think about it. The matter of legality or not is up to everybody self to resolve. As long as there are sources, there are people who use them. Ever tasted rotten vegetables yourself? ;)

So if I decide to show up at your front door with a baseball bat and start smashing your knee caps into dust and I'm convinced that's not illegal, the police can't touch me? Cool - I'm feeling rather violent at the moment.

Look, like you said. As long as there are sources, there will be people using them - but we won't be a part of it, so one more post like that one!

Feeling defensive because you're helpless against software piracy? I didn't post any link here, so no need for "baseball bat", eventhough you're free to appear before my door and see what you'll archieve. And my point is my point, it's my right to speak it off. Discussion better over here.

I guess I just have to face it.. A pentium II just isn't enough to play U8 via DosBox... :cry:

Definetly not.
What OS are you using? It's most likely that if it's something older you could run it off of the system normally. If you haven't tried it already.

Swarog, it should run on a Pentium II as long as you have at least 64 MB of Ram. According to the guy that wrote the program to run it in Windows:

"Disclaimer: Despite extremely encouraging testing results, it cannot be guaranteed that this program will work for all users and in all hardware configurations. So far it works well in Windows 95, 98, ME and Windows 2000/XP. It has worked with processor speeds from 166 to 800, and RAM from 64 to 768 Mb."

Have you tried his program? If not, give it a shot. The only problem with it is that it is a b****h to get a modern soundcard working in it, but you might not have that problem.

You can download it from:

http://members.iinet.net.au/~rsd/U7inWindows.html

Thanks guys, I'll look into this one last time once I get home from the shops.

I'm running XP on a Pentium II, and with dosbox I got the game and sound working, but if I get the sound to stream fluently the game is veeeeeeery slow and choppy, and even at best the game runs too slow to play without losing interest before even reaching the docks in the beginnng. RAM shouldn't be a problem, I have 128Mb.

Actually, that's for Ultima 7. The thread is about Ultima 8, though...

Actually, that's for Ultima 7. The thread is about Ultima 8, though... [/b][/quote]
Yes, but to the left is a link to the same program for Ultima 8, so it was only off by a page. THANKS Limecat!

Okay now, here we go.

Thanks to this nifty program I can get U8 to work straight from XP, the speed is good and all is well in the Land of Nod. Almost.

To get the sound to work I had to download VDMSound v. 2.1.0. BUT all I get is either a garbled mish-mash of digital squeaks(when sound and music is set to use SoundBlaster). I can get music by using setting it to use MIDI (in U8's install) and can live with that, but would also like sound effects.. I set the music to still use MIDI but tried setting the effects to use SoundBlaster, this resulted in the game crashing in the intro when the first digital sounds are to begin(The Guardian's hand is about to appear). I'm now going to play around with this some more and see if I can get it to work in some way, tho.

"(Personal note: for reasons quoted above, digital sound will not seem to work in U8. I can get it to run tolerably well if I specify "no sound card" - you get text on screen - and Sound Blaster or General Midi for music.)

This is from Ron Windeyer's page that Limecat so kindly directed us to. So it seems we can get music but no digital sound effects. Bummer, but at least I can now play the game!! YES!!!

Thanks again Limecat, I can now vanish into the world of Pagan for the forseeable future! :ok:

Yay! I don't know why, but the U8 page has the same URL as the U7 page. I noticed that after I posted, but I knew you guys were smart enough to figure it out. Well, most of you. :D

As an FIY, I couldn't get the sound effects working for more than a second or two in DoxBox either, and if you see my above post, having sound effects checked iin the Options locked up the game for me in some key spots. From what I heard, they don't add hugely to the game so I was happy enough without them, but I know what it's like to have to get EVERYTHING working or it just isn't right.

Glad you got it working. Hours of gooey, gaming goodness.

One more thing. Make sure that if you don't have the patched version that you install the patch before playing. The patch deletes all your save games. You can tell if you have the patched version if you find a key ring in the barrels next to the docks.

Yup, that's the version I have :D Seems I have to run the game without music as well, as the game crashes suddenly and without warning or error message if I have even MIDI music on. Oh well, luckily I have a good CD collection :)

BTW: Just got blown up by Beren for trying to steal his obsidian coins :D

Yes, Beren will teleport in and blow you up if you steal from anyone in town and get caught. The blacksmith ratted me out when I tried to steal a scimitar and BOOM! Pieces of avatar everywhere.

I'm having a problem with the video now. It didn't start until fairly late in the game and I'm not sure if it's supposed to be part of the game because you have to sacrifice your sight after you become a theurgist (Nice, huh?) The screen periodically flashes and the colors turn gray. When someone gets around the point where you go to Daemon's Crag, can you post and let me know if you are getting this as well? I think it has to be a bug because it's so bad that it gives me a headache. Thanks.

I almost finished U8 back in the nineties, (got stuck in Demon's crag with the pentacle spells..) and I sure can't remember that... sounds like a bug to me, but I can't be 100% certain.

i have the original game (cd version). the first time i launch it under dosbox it works perfectly, then every time i try to launch the game again it says that there is an incomplete installation and quit. there is someone who can help me? :help:

well... i say only another thing.. Ultima 8 is the best
you know... it was my first rpg :D

ok.. reading all post i found that i have to launch u8 the first time under dos. i try but the program quits for an "abnormal error" or something like that.
ah... my boot disk was made with your system_disk.exe...
Any clues?? :help: :help: :help:

I love this game. I never got very far when I first played it years and years ago. I believe our old computer crashed while I was searching out the necromancers.

Then I managed to get it working on our win98 machine, only thing was, it would lock up when Lothian was being killed, and the screen shook, etc etc. Never could get past there.

Now I have a very nice machine, and the game works grand with dosbox, only problem is that its still locking up at the same place. :(

Any suggestions on how to fix this?

Do you play an own version of you? Download the patch for Ultima 8 from Origin/EA from this site: Phyton.dk
Maybe then the game will be able to proceed at the point with Lothian. You'll need to start the game anew after the patch, though.

I've been playing in DosBox. Seems to work good at around 10000 cpu cycles. At less cycles, obviously it runs slower. What's odd is that at higher cycles, it also slows down. Probably not enough resources on my machine to go any higher. I just tweak the cycles until the music/sound effects don't stutter.
** Little spoiler if you haven't played the Ultimas **
Ahhh but I have to mention one thing! In the review, you state:
"Avatar is the character you have been playing since Ultima I."
Shame on you! Avatar is the character you have been playing since the end of Ultima IV! In Ultima I-IV, he was called The Stranger, and only at the very end of Ultima IV did he become the Avatar! I'm shocked! LOL

I've got a question I haven't seen covered here yet...

I'm using Dosbox to try to get U8 running, and it's all fine and well until I actually try to play the game. When I try to run U8, I get this error message, "this game cannot be run in DOS mode."

?

I'm running Dosbox on OSX and have piles of everything I should have piles of... any thoughts?

U8 was a disappointment compared to U7s. I actually finished the game back then without patch! U know.. with the crazy jumping. Looking forward to when Pentagram finishes.

I don't think most of us have experience running U8 under Mac. :bye:

can somebody plz tell me WHY i cant download this thing??!

Because ESA demanded this site to remove the game for download. They want to keep the copyrights on this game themselves.

hey! I managed to make it run without problem on OSX 10.3... and quite smooth too (Considering that I only have a G3)... :/

maybe you have the wrong version.


now it would be nice to know how to move the character

You move with the mouse! Yes, i know, the moveing controls are horrible!

I got U8 on my first PC, on 1994. It was a red CD with Ultima8, Syndicate Plus, Strike Commander and Wing Commander II. But I was too young, and never made many things on the game. but, last year, I've download the game and a patch to run U8 on WinXP (it wasn't DosBox). I've play the game without sound and very slow (the patch wasn't so good), but I finish the game! After 10 years! It's a great game! I recommendo for everyone.

PS.: someone have the "Lengendary" red Cd with U8, Sundicate Plus, Strike Commander and Wing Commander II? I have this since 1994, and the manual too!

Well, I have the legendary CD of Ultima 8 only, in a orange flamepainted package with the pentagram and the gamename written above, and the CD is half-red, half-black, with Pyros coming out of his lava circle on the red side. It doesn't contain a patch, is the original version with the arcade jumping.

i downloaded it but couldn't play it, a 16-bit ms-dos app error it says, wonderin if it's coz i'm using XP but.... can anyone help?

Of course playing Ultima 8 in Windows XP is the worst thing possible. This game is buggy enough already, and trying to play it in any Windows version will make it crash before starting. Play it in DosBox instead, you can get to it's download site through a link on this site, at the Programs section. Don't forget to increase the CPU cycles in DosBox (CTRL-F12 or edit dosbox.conf) to at least 8000 when playing the game, otherwise it will be little too slow.

I got this game from a friend back in 1994 and loved it but it was really daunting in size and options. I was just starting to learn English back then, and a lot of the books I could only half read, which had a serious impact on the background of the story. Not to mention that I never actually got out of the city because it was so big :P

I really need to replay this - tested all Ultima games on DOSBOX yesterday (succesfully except for Akalabeth which won't work) so that's a good thing :). I still need to play Ultima IX - vastly underrated, even if it's buggy in places.

I played Ultima 9. To be honest, I liked the previous Ultima parts more, especially Ultima 6. They made more fun than Ultima IX.

So.. I think that I do not need to say a word from this game, isn't???
My all time coolest game in all the universe... surely!!!

I also 'learn' how to speak, understand and even pronounce english on this one...
I'm thinking on play this game on the other languages to be an expert on other languages
:D

But this game is so perfect... the interactivity, the fun, the story, all!!!!!!!!!!! :Brain:

The UO and the Ultima VII are also great games... but The VIII Pagan is no match!! Also... the IX Ascension it's a cool game... but don't even close with the UO, VII, and of course, The VIII Pagan!!!!
:D

Help i wanna download the game but i'm having issues

You can't download it, it's ESA protected.

ESA info

Thanx i live in South Africa i played it years ago and am looking for somewhere to get it!

Try Ebay

I don't get it. I checked ESA members list... ORIGIN Systems Inc. is not part of them anymore... why would you still keep protecting the game?

Yeah I have that one! Ultima 8 is pretty much the only good game on that though, except sydicate which is kind of cool.

origin systems inc is a division of ea games

Or better said, bought back then by Electronic Arts which is called EA Games now.

How can get this game from this site ??

is there a link to a downloadsection ??

Hi, i love the work on this website and this game is one of them best i have ever played....

it worked perfectly with DosBox sound and speed and i'm on windows XP.. i have the original legendary red cd with wing comander and syndicate plus.

the only problem and i hope someone can help is that i can only play it once... one i try to replay the game it says " rest avatar you will need it" and i need to re-install in order to replay.. of course i keep my save files and insert them in everytime to continue but its gotten a bit tedious if you know what i mean. what can i do?

You just needed to look few pages back though this thread to find a post that mentions that problem: Page 9

I can´t download the game.
I see no button.
If anybody knows what´s the problem, please tell me.

You can't download the game.
It's impossible, you never will.
It's protected, which the BUTTON SAYS.

ESA No-Go = You can't download it! Lawl!

I read the the whole forum.. the problem is i dont know how to creat a boot disk.. i'm no computer whiz... just a guy who liked ultima8.

i hope you can help me in telling me how to creat this boot disk with dos in it so i can let the came decompress the file fully... because i'm reinstalling the game everytime i want to play :( and its very tiring putting in my saved files and taking them out everytime i play.

thanks in advance

Simple, you can download a ready-made one from Abandonia.

Im trying to install off my c drive and have tried all sorts of methods to try get it to install but alas i cannot. I keep getting instal.c - 558 .

Any ideas would be appreciated.

Hello, i'm still having the same problem where i can only play the game once and i need to re-install everytime.. someone requested i use defend so i can mount the different drives but i'm still having problems with it..

would someone please explain to me how i can mount the drives using defend.
i'd appreciate it greatly.... thanks a lot in advance

hi im new to this site...
when i'm trying to download u8 it says

This game is under protection of ESA (entertainment software association) and it CAN NOT BE DOWNLOADED! We also can't provide you with information on where or how to get it.

You can find more about The ESA here. If you ended up here you probably requested a game from one of the game production companies that are members of The ESA.

You can find the list of ESA members here and get in touch with the company who's game you would like to obtain.

Any further inquiries regarding this matter can be directed here.



how can i download it???? :cheers:

Simple, you can't! ESA protected means the copyright is still held and protected by a company called the ESA to make sure the game can't be freely distributed. Sorry, and welcome to the site! :bye:

have you noticed this part at all?
WE CANNOT PROVIDE YOU WITH INFORMATION WHERE / HOW TO OBTAIN IT ILLEGALLY!!!

I guess that ESA NoGo button isn't clear enough. Maybe it should be changed to say:

The ESA does not allow download of this program. To comply with law this site has removed the download link for all ESA protected programs. You can not download this program here or anywhere on this site, nor can we help you find a copy of this program for download. Please do not spam our message boards with requests for where to find ESA protected software. You may want to try eBay and see if anyone's selling. Other than that, please we can't help. Sorry. If you persist in buggin us about it our admins may excercise the right to ban your IP. NO ABANDONIA FOR YOU

Now we just need to fit that into the same size as the download button.

I think that "ESA protected. Do not ask how/where to download it." would suffice.

Ok, I am supremely glad to announce that using Ron Windeyer's patch, I've got U8 up and running. However, the whole thing feels like it is in slow motion. Is there anyway to speed up the game's frame rate? Also, im using a IBM thinkpad R40, with an integrated sound/music card. Any idea how to set this up properly in the game so I can hear fx and music? Thanks!

I have start to play that game in 1994 with a 386 at 40MHz, with a VGA card of 2MB and PC memory at 8MB.
To day, i still to play that game.

Believe me, until to day, there is not an equal game like Pagan.
The magic, is magic, if you want magic & power, you have to enter in to the mystery of mysticycm.
Have you seen other games?
The magic is like candys from super market.

Just live in the world of Pagan, let your minds travel under the mystery cape of that game.

When you do your first spell, you will undrstund, why the games of today are not good.

If you are good players, i will tell you how to kill the Titans permanently.

The speech speed depends from the option of speech speed.

The game speed depends from CPU, i have a Pentium I MMX 266MHz, the game runs so fast...i must to fix the runing speed option becose the Avatar falls in to the watter all the time.

CU mortal ones

I first played this game when it originally came out in '94, and I'm ashamed to admit that it ran too slowly on my computer so I payed out money I couldn't afford to upgrade it 'sigh'. Superficially it looks better than the previous Ultima's, and I think this is what sucked me in, but ULTIMAtely (forgive the pun) IMO it is inferior to the previous ones in the series with it's emphasis on jumping etc. Sadly a foretaste of what was to come, which resulted with the series ending in a whimper rather than a bang with Ultima XI Ascension (although I personally have not played the last one). Looking back, a magnificent series which is only marred slightly by the last two.

I first played this game when it originally came out in '94, and I'm ashamed to admit that it ran too slowly on my computer so I payed out money I couldn't afford to upgrade it 'sigh'. Superficially it looks better than the previous Ultima's, and I think this is what sucked me in, but ULTIMAtely (forgive the pun) IMO it is inferior to the previous ones in the series with it's emphasis on jumping etc. Sadly a foretaste of what was to come, which resulted with the series ending in a whimper rather than a bang with Ultima IX Ascension (although I personally have not played the last one). Looking back, a magnificent series which is only marred slightly by the last two.

PS got the numerals for Ultima Ascension round the wrong way so posted twice.

Yesterday, i have post a message, now i have just finished the U8 for one more time.
The game the i have download yesterday have some...changes.

*The music is not the original music, they are remix files, but they are also good.

*In the mountain King's pass, the platforms does not move, this makes the game easyer.

*Avatar denides to jump some times, this also makes the game easyer becose if your action is incorect the Avatar stays still and you will not jump in to the watter.

*The entranse to the Moriens (Zealans) has 2 bugs, 1.The sighn inside stands to the air, 2. in the upper corner you will see glowing ligths, in this plase must exist an invisible chest, you must cast the "reveal" spell to see the chest, but reveal dosent do anything.

*The recall item works in the Daemons Crag, in the old version you have to go out to the catacombs, the recal item does not worked nowere in Daemons Crag.

*The pyramid black rock fragment, does not charge easy, you must droop it to the ground and then double click in to the Avatar, then you must to move it to unstuck it before you finish the game.

That's because this is a version with a patch from Richard Garriott applied. I think though it would be much better if they ever brought out the addon for Ultima 8 that they intended previously, than this patch. The game was playable enough without it, but is admittedly better with it anyway.
As of Ultima 9, I played it and I'm disappointed. The previous Ultima parts are all better than it, the last part just doesn't have the feeling of the great Ultima world like in previous games in it, and it was close to boring. And the combats in Ultima IX are pitiable, there's Gothic very much better.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Scatty @ Jun 24 2006, 02:45 AM) [snapback]239317[/snapback]</div>It would be very nice if The Lost Vale actually came out. Only some images were published, and if you want I can post them. According to the manual, the Lost Vale was where Lithos imprisoned some Zealans and I think it was the destination you were supposed to get at the end, instead of Britannia.

I've played Ultima IX, and had enough patience to finish it, with a kinda nice ending. I hate EA, all was her fault, The Lost Vale and Ultima IX failure was caused by ignorants. If you want too, I can post the original plot to Ultima IX.

I think it's impossible to finish this game. After talking to Xavier about the first test in which you should read the books at the monastery but all I get are books on Theurgy magic. Those books Xavier talks about is not there. Looks like there's a problem with this patch. Anyone had the same problem??

There's no problem with this patch. The books are always there, and you have to think twice before you find hints for the test in them, maybe you just overlooked them. Try searching at the second floor.

Since no one used their speaking capabilities, I'm going to post the real plot of Ultima IX, to kill the curiosity that dissolved my interior and should dissolve other's interior, after having finished Pagan, the only thing I thought was "What happened?"... (hope I'm not going to be punished).

“Rather than releasing the whole script, which I could still get in trouble for, I will synopsize the plot for you. When I came on board at Origin, the original ideas for what they wanted from a script were in place but it had not been written yet. John Watson, Brian Martin and Richard did the first pass at it. I was given the script and told to find holes in it. We all worked together (along with Chuck Zoch, at that time a designer...now programmer) toward the first re-writes and clean ups.

So here goes:

(opening Flic) The Avatar arrives at the start of the game in Britannia. His last thoughts are of being seized by the Guardian in Pagan. Suddenly he was pulled away and arrives back in LB’s realm. Unfortunately he doesn’t recognize where he is. Standing on a mountain overlooking the Guardian’s keep at Terfin. This is where the wyrmguard suddenly flies up and incinerates the Avatar.

Cut to scene of dark throne room with Guardian in shadow talking to Blackthorn. Blackthorn is happy at the Avatar’s death but Guardian realizes he was teleported away by someone and is now in Stonegate. Blackthorn wants to go after him, but Guardian says to wait. He wants the Avatar to see how he is destroying Britannia and wants the Avatar to despair.

Game opens: Avatar in bed in Stonegate with Hawkwind nursing him. Just to be certain the Avatar is fit and unchanged by his trip to Pagan and the teleport back here, Hawkwind asks the virtue questions, setting up the Avatar character for the game. He then tells the Avatar about what has happened since he left 80 years ago (time in Pagan ran so much slower). Giant columns appear through out the land. Somehow the columns are affecting the climate, drying up some areas and flooding others, in addition there are tearing through the ground causing earthquakes and volcanism on a great scale. These climactic changes have caused wide spread famine in some parts of the world. In addition a plague began to run rampant through the land probably caused by the deplorable conditions. The people of Moonglow were able to produce limited quantities of food via magic, some of which the export through the land. Britain monks found that the venom of the Silver Serpent would provide relief from the plague, but was no cure. Something happened (you discover later) and Britain refused to send serpentwyne to Moonglow and Moonglow refused to send food to Britain. The army divided and civil war is at hand. He then tells the Avatar to descend into the tunnels under Stonegate and travel via those dungeon passages to Britain and see Lord British. Hawkwind disappears saying he must rest a long time now since the summoning drained him so. The area of Stonegate, now surrounded by mountains and cut off by the sea, provided the training or tutorial area for the new interface.

Along the way to Britain, the Avatar is knocked unconscious by a teleport area that he must go through. He receives a vision (flic). The Guardian taunts the Avatar and says he is glad he will be able to watch while he shows Lord British what the Avatar was up to in Pagan. LB is has a waking dream and sees the Avatar summoning Pyros.

Once the Avatar arrives in Britain he has already had to deal with one wyrmguard (Damon) and is probably wearing the armor. People in Britain run from him and once at the castle, Geoffrey asks him to get rid of it. LB confronts the Avatar and wants to know about the dream but accepts the ideas that the Avatar had to do what is necessary, but he seems disturbed none-the-less. LB informs the Avatar that the world is almost at the brink of civil war. LB’s health began to decline rapidly a few years ago so he appointed a tribunal. The leader of Moonglow mages (Verona), the leader of the Valorian knights (Sir Corwin), and the leader of the Britain monks (Amoranth). Things went well at first, but once the columns rose, famine set in and the plague appeared they would feud with each other all the time. then when the shipment of food, bought and paid for) failed to arrive in Britain Amoranth accused Verona of treason and inhumanity, Verona screamed the same story about a serpentwyne shipment. Ever since then the world fractured into a group of city states. LB is worried since Britain and Moonglow are building armies, one commanded by Corwin’s daughter and the other by his son. If it were not for Corwin’s cooling factor with their generals, they would already be at war. He implores the Avatar to stop the civil war, stop the famine and plague and he thinks the columns are at the root of it all. LB tires quickly and due to him being so old a frail, he can no longer command the respect of his armies or people anymore and he still thinks the Tribunal is the best thing for the country. LB warns the Avatar to stay away from Asylum, that is run by dangerous, treasonous thugs.

The Avatar finds Shamino in the Abbey in Britain in a trance. He has to use the Bell, Book and Candle to free him. He finds out from Shamino that the rangers disappeared a few years back and he felt an unholy call luring him away. He placed himself in the trance in hopes that if the Avatar returns he could wake him and the call would be no more. Shamino no longer feels the call and joins up with the Avatar.

The Avatar sets off for the closest column near Despise. On his way he is confronted by wyrmguards in camp. During the fight a girl jumps into the fray and ends up spearing a female wyrmguard through the eye and driving them off. The Avatar is grateful and she introduces herself as Raven. Raven was sent to find the Avatar and bring him back to Asylum (Buc’s Den) and meet with her boss Samhayne. He has some clues to the problems and he knows the Avatar is here to help solve them.

In Despise the free one of the corrupt runes of virtue from the column, thus stopping its power.

They journey back to Britain and then on to meet Samhayne. Samhayne is like a benevolent Don Corleone. He has been running contraband food and serpentwyne throughout the world, even running the blockades of Moonglow and Britain. He knows that the war is closer than anyone thinks, but proof must be taken to LB to get him to dissolve the tribunal and try to assume command. Samhayne is not trustworthy in Shamino’s view and he wants proof of what is going on. Samhayne tells the Avatar to journey to Valoria and meet with Corwin. He will tell you the truth. Then come back here and we will get things going.

He travels to Valoria with companions and goes to see Corwin. Corwin and his new aide Darkblade meet with the Avatar. He explains the situation and confirms Samhayne’s suspicions. The Avatar convinces the Lord of Valoria to send word to his kids to disarm and meet at a negotiation table. He agrees once the Avatar gets him over his despair. The Avatar heads back to Asylum and meets with Samhayne. He tells LB that he must get more proof of the war preparations so that LB can confront the factions. The only way he can find out for sure is to make contact with Sam’s guild operatives inside Britain and Moonglow and ’lift’ some papers. Some of the guild objects to an outsider making guild contact so Samhayne talks the Avatar into joining the guild. The Avatar is branded with the secret sign and is sent on his way to his choice Moonglow or Britain.

During the sea voyage he gets another third person dream (flic) courtesy of the Guardian. This time LB sees the Avatar joining the nefarious Guild and being branded. LB becomes more distraught and is now wondering about the Avatar.

The plot branches here but funnels back together quickly. Avatar goes to Moonglow/Britain. Makes contact with a guild operative and gets a disguise. He enters the Court of Truth/Abbey of Love and during his riffling of desks and such overhears Amoranth/Verona and their lackey Ebontyne/Shadowbriar discuss the war preparation. Whichever is gone to first, the Avatar escapes with no problem. When spying on the second one the Avatar is discovered and is captured and knocked unconscious.

Here is another dream (flic). This time LB sees the Avatar thrown in prison for spying on one of the Tribunal members. LB looks like he is getting angry now.

Back to the game: The Avatar awakens in Wrong. Ebontyne/Shadowbriar stands before the doorway and morphs into Blackthorn. He taunts the Avatar telling him that he has been behind all the seeds of war, planting them in the mind of Amoranth and Verona. He tells the Avatar that his only stumbling block is Sir Corwin who is trying to get his kids to a bargaining table, thanks to the Avatar’s meddling, and by this time tomorrow Corwin won’t be troubling anyone anymore. Blackthorn leaves and the Avatar and Raven (Also caught trying to free the Avatar while he was unconscious) their cell and dungeon (turning off another column along the way). the find Shamino outside and waiting. The run to find a ship and get to Sir Corwin as fast as they can, but by the time they arrive it is too late and he is already dead, but the body was stolen also. All that is left behind is an arrow.

Following the clue of the arrow and questioning Fletchers and Apothecaries (it was poisoned) leads to a description of the perpetrator, the female wyrmguard that Raven fought earlier. In addition one of the Apothecary is a medium and through a trance locates the body in the Well of Souls on the Ruined isle of Skara Brae. She tells the Avatar that a spell for speaking with dead cast upon the body would reveal the truth behind the assassination and that she foresees that this could stop the war. The Avatar and companions head to the Well, retrieve the body, fight a bone dragon lots of undead and turn off another column.

When they leave the dungeon a messenger arrives telling them the armies have taken the field near the shrine of justice. Avatar and friends hurry to the shrine in time to meet with Amoranth, Verona and the commanders. Verona casts the spell. Dead Corwin reveals that his lackey Darkblade is actually Ebontyne, Shadowbriar and Blackthorn and he is behind the war. Darkblade, who is in the tent, suddenly reverts to his Blackthorn form and the whole area is beset with wyrmguards and dragons. During the fight, Blackthorn exits kidnapping Amoranth and Verona and taunting the Avatar to come and get them at Terfin.

At the end of the fight Janna arrives with word that the other old companions awaits the Avatar in the sanctuary of Cove. They think they know where the Plague is coming from and what the columns are doing. The Avatar travels to Cove along the way another dream (flic). LB sees the Avatar stand before the armies of the world and now look to be swearing fealty to him. LB is furious as the Guardian whispers to him that the Avatar is planning to usurp the throne and seize Britannia. He will no longer allow the Avatar inside the Castle unless he has a member of the Tribunal with him.

Once in Cove the Avatar learns that the columns are causing the plague. As long as they are powered the plague will continue. In addition they are like clock springs, winding up. Even if they are unpowered their energy is not released. In time they will ’let go’ and quite possibly rip apart the world. They also have now received reports that the Guardian is massing his wyrmguard and gargoyle army and is planning on attacking Britain and other cities. They must perform a pre-emptive attack before all of his forces can muster. Samhayne will provide ships and the army is ready but they need and air force and the only thing that could help are the dragons of Destard.

The Avatar journeys to Trinisic and goes to see the Queen of the Dragons in nearby Destard. He has to rescue her and a clutch of eggs from some new wyrmguard raiders after which she agrees to help. Now with all the forces moving to place, the Avatar sets off for the other dungeons in order to turn off the remaining columns, except the Abyss. He needs one of the Gargoyle lenses from LB to open the path . Once they are done a ship arrives to take Avatar and companions to Terfin to meet the Guardian and Blackthorn.

Lots of fighting and wandering in Terfin, finally the Avatar reaches the throne room and finds Blackthorn there, but the Guardian has already left for parts unknown. Blackthorn grovels and pleads for mercy. Shamino suggest bringing him to LB so he can confess. The Avatar takes Blackthorn to LB and he confesses. LB has Blackthorn put to death. LB is getting some strength and vigor back thanks to the shutdown of the columns (save one) and Hawkwind’s arrival in the castle a few days ago. Hawkwind warns that the columns are primed and will release soon destroying everything and funneling the power of that destruction into the Guardian making him greatly powerful. He says that the plan had been to keep the Avatar busy and off balance long enough for the columns to finish the wind up. Hawkwind says that the runes of virtue can save the populace if we can get them to Skara Brae as soon as possible. He says to place the runes at the carnal points of the compass marked on the island and the virtues will take care of the rest. He then indicates that LB and the Avatar must make a final journey to Stonegate to confront the Guardian for it was from there that he cast forth the runes to form the columns.

Before the Avatar can go to Skara Brae he gets the lens from LB (and one he got earlier from Vesagralem ,the Gargoyle king...another story) and journeys to the Abyss. He fights the Slasher of the Veils, turns off the column and releases Amoranth and Verona which journey with him back to Skara Brae.

Lots of people on Skara Brae when Avatar, LB, Verona and Amoranth arrive. Companions all stay while Avatar places runes and leaves with LB. They arrive at Stonegate and face the Guardian in one of the lower chambers and slay him, but LB is weakened in the battle. Hawkwind appears once more and tells the Avatar that even though the Guardian is defeated for he moment the power of the unleashed life energy when the columns let go will restore him and power him up. The life force of Britannia must be eliminated to defeat him for good. LB mentions the Armageddon spell. They must get to the roof of Stonegate pronto! Once getting there LB is incapable of doing the spell, he is too weak and decides if Britannia must die then he will go with his world. The Avatar discovers that he too must infuse himself into the spell and that he will ’pass on’ with its casting. Hawkwind’s voice tells him that this is but a step and that he will ascend beyond this realm to a higher place. Avatar casts the spell.

(The really freaking cool flic occurs): Spell of destruction rips forth from Stonegate moving forth in waves across the land. Deer flash into ashes, trees blow up, cities are destroyed. Worried people stand on Skara brae as they can see the wave of destruction heading their way. Suddenly waves of light pulse from the runes and lines of power form a dome over the island just as the destructive wave hits. Slowly the island pulls loose from the planet (looks like an old Roger Dean painting form the Yessongs album) and rockets out into space. A cut from above shows the speck of light zooming off into the distance with most of Britannia and the companions on board. Slowly we see the planet crack and tear apart, then a final explosion. Closing credits...........................”

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Here’s what Bob White himself thought about the whole affair:

“My reason for answering [inquiries about the original plot]was really to show the fans how games and their stories evolve. Often times the evolution is out of our hands (via deadlines, corporate changes and such). The game you have now has a very good story and is an Ultima, I am sure Richard saw to that. Don’t let any bugginess in the product overshadow what the core of the game is. In time the bugs will be cleared up and the game will shine and all will be happy.

The old story was monumental in scope and because of a lot of factors things had to change and progress to what it is now. Would I have liked to seen the old plot completed....You bet! Am I dissappointed it changed, not really since I expected it. New people on a project bring new ideas and new focuses and those are not necessarily bad. What you have is a talented core design team who assembled the best story for an Ultima that they thought possible. This was the same thing when I was there, but we had a different focus and different ideas. Which one is better...that is all up to individual tastes, but what is there now is still a great story and very Ultima.

Hats off to a a talented team for working through an unbelievable hard deadline and under very adverse conditions. They have created a monumental product and one they can be proud of. A big pat on the back to Bill, Chuck, Dave, Jim, Andy, Herman, Gary, Bev, Jennifer, Scottie-cakes, Scott, Bren, Michael, Bob, Seth, Richard, Amy, Carly and who ever else I missed. I am sure that Bill and his team of programmers are pulling their hair out nightly to kill off the bugs and make the game even better. I look forward to adventuring my way through Brittania...as soon as I get past my own deadlines :)”

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Scatty @ Jul 14 2006, 09:27 PM) [snapback]243337[/snapback]</div>
I just finished the game, after playing it a second time, the books at the monastery of the theurgists suddenly were there. In my first play, they were not there so I guess that WAS a bug.

You know the monastery of the theurgist, Can anyone tell me what the hell that funny shape changing item is.... If you double click on it the avater says he is not powerful enough to use it yet.

I've finished the game twice now and have found no use for it so far. :blink:

Ah yes, there're only rumors, that this item was originally intended to play some role in the never released expansion "Lost Vale". It doesn't play any role in the original game, however, except that sentence and the kneeling of Avatar.
Another strange "item" - if you leave Tenebrae by the east gate (in the left town part of Tenebrae) and go up to the "north" until you reach the river, then follow the river until the mountains arise, you'll see a small cave. If you enter this cave and go through to a spot where they're bars enclosing a chest and two (if I remember correctly) levers, and then continue further south and little down, you'll see a sack with some reagents. Somewhere either below the sack or in it there's a strange white-blue item that slightly resembles a whistle. You can't use it in any way, and you can't use it as a reagent. Anyone else noticed it, and maybe knows more about it?

Edit: Actually people, guess what? There was ONE copy of Lost Vale box that was released and has been sold! Though it seems no actual addon as the software itself. Someone bought it for a private collection and some information about it can be found here:
Wikipedia
Lost Vale gamebox details

About the Lost Vale addon, the developers really worked on it, but couldn't finish it in time. Here's a link to where you can find some screenshots of the real game. http://www.bootstrike.com/Ultima8/downloads.html
The download is entitled Ultima VIII: Lost Vale Screen Shots . This site is great, has tons of things about ultima.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Vaikuntha @ Jul 20 2006, 03:26 PM) [snapback]244176[/snapback]</div>
Theres a really good sound patch here and also one that allows you to run the game under windows 98... ufortunately its not compatible with windows XP but I'm sure a few of you smart buggers out there could work your way around that. :ok:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Scatty @ Jul 20 2006, 01:36 PM) [snapback]244157[/snapback]</div>I also found that mysterious blue object that dosn't seem to do anything...strange that it's there.

I hate EA for rushing Origin...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Durak @ Jun 30 2004, 04:58 PM) [snapback]4374[/snapback]</div> :sos: i can't evan get it too install on my comp :sos:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Guest @ Jul 27 2006, 04:52 PM) [snapback]245510[/snapback]</div>Read through this thread systematically, there should be a description of how to install Ultima 8 first time so it works later always.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Scatty @ Jul 27 2006, 06:35 PM) [snapback]245527[/snapback]</div>Read through this thread systematically, there should be a description of how to install Ultima 8 first time so it works later always.
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ok thanks :ok:

Ok, i downloaded the game on this site and said i needed vdsound so i downloaded that...and dosbox but whene i go too install and run with vdm sound and it installs but whene i try too run the game with vdm sound it will not work......... :sos:

ok, this is outback and my messgae needs to be awserd! :titan:

Yes, yes... This aint a chatroom, you know? Demanding an immediate reply will have right the opposite effect.

If the game doesn't work with VDMSound... try DosBox. 's all.

:sos: I don't know how to run the game!!! :sos: :wallbash:

Download DosBox from the Programs section on the main site and play Ultima 8 in it.

It seems you are trying to run the game in plain Windows. I strongly suggest you use DosBox instead.
You can download DosBox here.

If you have any problems with it, try having a look at the official FAQ on the DosBox site.
Basic Setup and Installation
Command Line
Z instead of C at the command prompt
Internal Programs (important, especially MOUNT)
Most of the stuff in there is not really needed, but youb would do best to familiarize yourself with the specific topics I linked to.
The mounting of your DosBox games directory, switching the promt to the emulated C: drive and clearing the screen from previous commands can all be executed from the [autoexec] section of dosbox.conf, so you won't have to re-type them every time round.
Frontend programs can help running DosBox with varying configurations for different games.
For both a more accessible user interface and oldschool feel, you can use Norton Commander (get it from our programs and utilities page - scroll down to the bottom to find it). NC might seem awkward at first, but in fact it is a very functional genuine DOS era file manager frontend. It has a plethora of functions that will help you in navigating around the directories, while still retaining the command prompt.

Though all of this might seem complicated, it's very easy once you get used to it. So remember:

DON'T PANIC!!! ^_^

I've decided to post random tips without spoilers regularly to help those who only seek guidance.

Magical weapons weigh only 1, so this means you can have lots of them in your backpack. The Deceiver, Khumash-Gor's scimitar and Flame Sting are the best melee weapons (there are no missile, for some reason) with advantages on each one. I strongly recommend having these with you, on specific situations you will learn with experience.

how dost thou jump on this game?

thou needest to press both mouse buttons at the same time, Avatar.

At least that is what I think to remember ...

Wonderfull. The download is back and the evil empire of ESA has relented. Horah!!

This is the only Ultima game I have never played. I remember looking at the box in the store when it was new and wondered, "Should I buy this? or should I get Mercenaries instead?". I had been burnt out by the massive openess of Black Gate so relented and bought the quick fix instead. I have never been able to find it since. Thank God for Abandonia.



Ever thought about getting Privateer 2: The Darkening? Blood Bowl? Birthright? Spycraft? TerraNova? Mechwarrior 2?

I have a few of those on hand for uploading but not all. Also I was suprised to not see any Bards Tales from the old Atarii series.

Blood Bowl is actually already on the site :). Terra Nova and MW2 are not eligible - SOLD and ESA'd, respectively, if I recall it right.

Random tip:

I forgot to mention, but the best weapon on the game is RUN! You are faster than most things in Pagan. The only enemies you should face in the beginning are Ghouls, those slow-reaction zombies that wander. They are abundant and are fairly easy to kill. To attack efficiently, just double-click when your weapon is behind your head, in a "prepare" position. When it attacks and comes back again, double-click. If you have a biy of experience, you should begin the double-click almost before the weapon is readied, but you can "block" the attack (useless)

If you are running it under Windows, you can activate a function that enables you to use the NumPad as the mouse itself, the Num5 being the left-click. Using it is better in a way, you don't have to smash your mouse to attack fiercely. Just enter the Command Panel and search for something like accesibility options

DON'T FACE MORE THAN 1 ENEMY AT A TIME! This is important too. When you have killed enough ghouls, and have a magic weapon such as the Deceiver (1-19 attack), you can face thougher enemies.

What is needed to keep this alive?

If you find a locked door, this applies to Tenebrae mainly, try to jump and climb something in order to gain entrance to the house. Those little 'outposts' you see going south from Mordra's palace can be breached. It is easy, just take little steps forwars until that 'bridge' becomes invisible, meaning you are below it, then go backwards 1 step and put the cursor in you, then jump. You will climb it and feel free to plunder.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Durak @ Jun 30 2004, 04:58 PM) [snapback]4374[/snapback]</div>I have downloaded and installed ultima 8...and it dont work! im in windows 98....so...what should i do?

What doesn't work, exactly? Have you read the other posts? Maybe the answer is there.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mighty Midget @ Aug 19 2006, 06:18 PM) [snapback]249646[/snapback]</div>i read then ...but in the site is saying that dos box is needed for windows xp.....besides....i already downloaded the dos box...and i dont knew how to install...

As you have Windows 9x, DOSBox and VDMSound are not an option - and you don't need them either.

These two topics should help:
How to configure DOS for gaming
Win98 - Memory
Another option is to use Abandonia's bootdisk

I know you guys are gonna tell me to read through the thread but i couldnt find what i wanted.

The game keeps giving me a halting installation/sound/ A#$%#$%.dll

i cant get it to install.. to make things worse i actually own the CD but now i'm trying it from the version i downloaded here.

second thing that sucks is that a few months ago i actually got it to run with dosbox but now i forgot how to do it.

My c: drive is where i have dosbox.. i have it in C:\dos\CDrive\U8

and i have an F drive and G Drive as cdrom but i gues si don need it coz i downlpoaded the game so i'm not usin gthe cd i own

and i have D drive also to write on as hard-disk

what shold i mount, what should i do.. do i need a defend? i forgot all this stuff, please help

You might want to check out the official DosBox FAQ, and particularly this part of it..

1.1. What is Pentagram?

Pentagram is a game engine for running Ultima 8 on modern operating systems.

http://pentagram.sourceforge.net/ :ok:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Stroggy @ Jun 28 2004, 09:56 AM) [snapback]4165[/snapback]</div>OK. Edit the dosbox.conf file.
Under the [render] sectionframeskip is default 0. Change it to 5
Under the [cpu] section cycles is default 3000. Change it to 6500
or press Ctrl+F12 until cycles at the top reads 6500

This will not harm dosbox in any way. it will not harm your computer either. another trick that you can look at is by pressing right-clicking your taskbar and then click task manager. click the processes tab and then click on "user name" click on all the processes linked to your username except for explorer.exe and taskmgr.exe and then click end process. even thought there is a warning. click yes. then rund dosbox.

also set your options inside the game it is textspeed or something to a value other than 5. if to slow set higher. if too fast set lower. you can also activate frame skipping if needed. :brain:

Hey, I used to play this game when I was younger, and just found it again. I've downloaded it, and have got it to load in dosbox, but i can't actually seem to play it!
My mouse doesnt seem to work. Is there something I'm doing wrong? Like, I get dropped in the water, asked for my name, and then I end up by that guy and the boat and the fish. And I move the mouse around, which shows up as a blue arrow, but it doesn't do anything.
Can someone help??
I've tried to look in all the online handbooks I can find, but nothing seems to have the answer! Any help would be really appreciated!
Thanks

I ran this game on Windows XP, and it was slooow...
Does anyone have any advice?

to add to that, it doesn't tell you how to save your game.

Play it in DosBox, and increase the CPU cycles with CTRL+F12 for faster speed. To save the game, press ESC and choose save game. Quite obvious for almost all games I know.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Kosta @ Jun 27 2004, 09:08 PM) [snapback]4120[/snapback]</div>Being an old Ultima die hard since IV I found U8 lacked many of the qualities that made the series great and unique. The graphics are excellent and the music enchanting however the storyline was annoying, I did not like the whole business of another world. I still plau Ultima Online and still feel of all the RPG series that hav4 been written the Avatar was the best, however this chapter was below what I expected.

hm...

I can't seem to patch the game, everytime I try it says "check patch parameters" :(

first of all.. THIS GAME ROCKS!! i installed it in my computer and it ran well.. sounds, graphics.. but i can't play it in full screen, did i miss anything?

Can't play it in fullscreen? Why?
What happens when you try to?

exactly my problem,, i dunno how to play it in full screen, i don't know how to adjust speed, frame, etc.., because it's my first time using dosbox., where can i find the options to adjust these things? or is it automatically set by the program or i can set it up manually?

one more thing, what's the maximum points for strength, dexterity, and intelligence, i can't boost them up more than 25, is it the maximum they can get or is there another way to increase it?

DosBox can be switched between windowed and fullscreen modes by pressing [ALT]+[ENTER].

You might also want to check out the official DosBox FAQ, and particularly this part of it. It is quite helpful for users unfamiliar with DosBox.
And don't forget the readme file. It's got all the keyboard shortcuts listed.

You can configure the starting values of frameskip, cycles and so on in dosbox.conf.

allright..!! problems solved.. yet another has revealed :wallbash: .. this game runs slow on my computer, if i try to increase its speed by using F6 or F12 the game moves faster but it's getting lagged. i'm using WINXP supported by Pentium 4 1.6 GHz and 256MB of memory, can u tell me what's the best setting 4 this spec? or is there any way to play this game perfectly on my computer? everything runs well except for the game gets lagged everytime i tried to increase its speed :tai:

Let's try the following
1. Enable Dynamic Core (that's in Dosbox.conf)
2. Increase cycles
3. Increase frameskip

where can i find this dosbox.conf? or how do i summon it? i can only find dosbox.conf in file and all i can do is read it.. sorry b4 dude.. i'm really new to this stuff

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Guest @ Nov 1 2006, 06:59 PM) [snapback]264849[/snapback]</div>Look in Start -> Programs -> Dos Box -> Dos Box Conf

Basically, the conf file is just a text file that can be edited just by typing the words, phrases and numbers you want. All you have to do, when you find it, is to open it and edit the relevant lines. In the conf there is plenty of information on what the different lines do and what options you have in editing them.

Being a text file, you can also open and edit it in say, Notepad.

EDIT: IMPORTANT. If you're really new to this, you should make a back-up copy of the conf file before editing it.

I can't seem to get past the part after the guy gets his head chopped off. My guy says " What just happened?" and then it stops. I also can't get the patch to work like some one mentioned above, I get the "incorrect paramiters" or whatever it says.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Guest @ Oct 26 2006, 12:51 PM) [snapback]263657[/snapback]</div>That is indeed the maximum, as far as I remember. One trick to increasing your strength and dexterity right at the start, by the way, is to immediately attack Devon (the fellow who pulls you out of the sea at the beginning). He will not fight back or call Beren the Sorcerer, and being a game-crucial character, is immortal. Keep hitting him until your Strength and Dexterity are at a satisfactory level, and although he won't talk to you for the time being, later he will forget your nastiness and talk as normal.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(NoLongerTheAvatar @ Nov 2 2006, 10:00 PM) [snapback]265073[/snapback]</div>That is indeed the maximum, as far as I remember. One trick to increasing your strength and dexterity right at the start, by the way, is to immediately attack Devon (the fellow who pulls you out of the sea at the beginning). He will not fight back or call Beren the Sorcerer, and being a game-crucial character, is immortal. Keep hitting him until your Strength and Dexterity are at a satisfactory level, and although he won't talk to you for the time being, later he will forget your nastiness and talk as normal.
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That method indeed works but it is not impossible to go through the game without it. Ghouls are the main source of experience for me. If you have enough patience to save often, it shouldn't be the problem. But anyway, intelligence won't go up and the only two methods I know that work are reading and casting tons of spells.

Just go to the library in Tenebrae where Benthic is staying (in the beginning), find the shortest book and begin to read it again and again. Be sure to not abort the reading of the book with double-click but to "finish reading it" (it must have been a single click, I don't remember anymore). With some patience you should be able to raise your intelligence few points (best 20) which is actually also quite enough for the rest of the game, and the remaining points will come later through casting magic.

Man, this game is awesome. I remember that it was the first game in which I felt kinda desperate, specially cause it was supposed to make you feel like this: lost in a world that is not yours, where you don't even know what can make you harm. It's perfect.

I didn't feel desperate when I first started to play this game, but it certainly had a special, enchanted mood for me. Before I got this game I saw some screenshots of the beta version from the net, and the graphics of the game caught me like no game before. That was long ago, when I just began to discover the computer games, and this game is still one of my favourites.
There's no need to hack at anyone in the game btw. to increase strength and dexterity, all you need is just to go somewhere where no one would run by mistake before your blade, draw your weapon and begin to swing it with the right mouse click all the time. Takes time but makes you right in the beginning of the game quick and strong.

I always started the game with jumping like a madman in front of Devon- Sure, it takes as much time as any other trick, but I think "the sticky key" worked in this one. Go put the kettle on, and return some time later to return to your adventure.

I found a way to preserve your mouse buttons in Pagan, since you must constantly double-click to fight and so... Go to your control panel and go to accesibility (or something like that, it's the green guy in a chair) and then mouse. Enable the use and configure it so as it works when Num Lock is deactivated. Then, in the game, just press 5 in the keypad as if it was your mouse left button.

Doch, I know I am double-posting. Hope this isn't a grievous crime...

I found two great things in the net just today. One is a remake of Ultima 9 with the Morrowind engine. It is called Ultima 9:Redemption and the site is this one.

The other thing is this other site with an article (lack for a better word) about how Origin was swallowed up by EA. The Escapist - Conquest of Origin

Another thing that came to my mind was that I read somewhere someone said that character portraits wouldn't be necessary with the high-resolution of Pagan... But how can they expect us to notice anything from those 9 pixel height faces? The only thing I managed to discover about facial expressions is that Devon's eyes are blue.

i had a manual of ultima VIII

THis site is AMAZING. Thanks a lot.


How do you run VDM and Dosbox simultanously?


When I run u8 in DosBox, it says


Filename =sound\sound.flx
Mode = ReadOnly
Error = 1930
Dos Error=0000
Source=FLEX\FLEX.C (84)
Program halted by code



Can s1 pplz help me run u8??
Thanks

Excuse me, but why on earth would you want to run VDMSound and Dosbox simulatously? One should be enough, I think. Try run it through VDMSound only and see if that works.

Question: How do you wash a single pair of pants in two machines?
Answer: You don't.

If you install U8 from your original floppies the game extract some sort of file and there is this message "don't abort process...blah... you have to reinstall". I wanna play my german version and after the gamefile ist extracted i run it in dosbox and it works... until i exit the game and restart, then comes "fault you have to reinstall"
Since on Abandonia is the english (working) version i wanna know how this problem was solved. I this a dosbox problem (Read/write prob of the hdd's during)? I have no real dos environment.

It was the U8SHAPES.CMP - it extracts to U8SHAPES.FLX.
In my case the rest of the .cmp file is not deleted (17kb) but the .flx has the same size like the english one. I deleted the .cmp manually and hope that no error occurs.

hi guys. im having trouble with the game. btw, it rules :) im stuck in the part when one is to become the necromencers apentrice, right after the ritual. the one performed after u give the serpentine dagger to its prior owner. after the three zombies are summoned by the grey guy and he speaks the magic words, there is an earhtquake, then it becomes stuck, the earthquanke doesnt stop. have u had also the same trouble? how do i fix it? thx

Do you play it in DosBox, under VDMSound or just in plain Windows XP? If in Windows XP, there you have your problem, DosBox solves it well.

Did you try to load a game before the dagger has been returned? Maybe it's just a bug.

thx guys for the replys. the bug solved itself. i pushd pretty much every key on my keyboard, when i hit the f5 or f6 key (quick-save, i think) the tremor ended and the grey guy put an end to everything ^^ finally, now i can become his apprentice and raise the dead to obey my commands!!! muahahahah :P thx anyways

the necromancer doesn't take the dagger. there is no dialogue option to give it to him and no other way.
how can i solve this problem. i MUST play it to the end^^.
plz help me

Humm I'm trying to play it on new DosBox 0.70, it's fast and the sounds is OK, but the colors are all wrong. The menus and intro are OK, it's just the in-game graphics that are strange.

is this a compatibility issue?

Does the same occur on 0.65 and 0.63? Also, care to show us a screenshot of what's happening?

I am going to download this game because it looks fairly good for a old game. Is it wise to start playing this even if you've never played it before? Or is this one of those games you can only enjoy if you used to play it in the way back? Just wondering if its worth it.

It's one of those games you can happily download and enjoy without knowing it before. Most of those on the site are, since while their graphics might look a tad outdated, the sheer fun from gameplay is superior to that of many modern productions.

nice game. climate like in divine, best rpg for me

Indeed, a great game that Origin created back then. Too bad they didn't finish it due to the time pressure of Electronic Arts (today renamed to EA Games)...

hi, i play the game using dosbox 0.70 but i've run across a problem. i'm in stone cove and i need to create a golem to open the big double doors. i cast the spell, the screen shakes and parts of the golem appear on the ground however it never comes completely out of the ground. i can give it instructions but it does not move so i cannot open the doors and i'm stuck. did any of you get a similar bug? do you have any ideas? any cheats to open the door?

Die it happen every time you reload the savegame and summon him again?

yes, i've loaded previous saves and tried again (in other places) but it's always the same.

Well, maybe far-fetched, but open the file DOSBox.conf and search for the line [dos]. At ems=true change it to ems=false. If it doesn't help also disable xms, or play around trying to enable one and disable the other cross-over.

thank you for the reply. i tried it but it didn't work. i also tried different combinations of the settings but none of them worked. i'll download pagan from another source and try again, maybe on a different computer. if everything fails, i'll try pentagram (too bad it can't load save games). thanks

HI

i can't play this game
when i try to run it it shows:
Halting in file DOSFIX32\DESCRIPT.C, line 284
Program halted by code.

Any Help?



obs: i don't use dosbox because my computer is old and run it very slowly, but i run
most games from this site with no problems.

What is your operating system? You could try the DOS boot disc downloadable from Abandonia.

Also, there is alwys a chance your download is corrupt. If so, you need to get a working copy.

My operation system is Windows 98.
I already have this program but i dont know how to use it
java script:emoticon('<_<', 'smid_1')
<_<

to use bootdis, stick the diskette in to your case and restart pc.

if nothing happens, your boot priority is set to hdd at first, so you need to set 'floppy disk' as first boot drive

The boot disc is just a disc you use to boot your computer, sending you straight into the land of DOS instead of Windows. It may need a bit of tweaking for sound however, but you can use our "troubleshooting" to ask for help about that.

java script:emoticon(':w00t:', 'smid_17')
:w00t:

Hey! It worked!

But with no soundjava script:emoticon(':huh:', 'smid_6')
:huh:




How do i get sound?

run install exe, and choose your soundcard(try soundblaster 16, 220, 5, 1; and adlib for music)

java script:emoticon(':ok:', 'smid_9')
:ok: Thanks man

no problem \o/

Will someone please tell me how to apply the 2.12 patch to Ultima VIII. I have the installed the game and can play it just fine with music and everything, but I do not know how to apply the patch. I have downlaoded the file in its zip form, and then I extract the files into the Ultima8 folder, and the patch does not apply. I have even re-compressed the files using the Restart command after extracting the patch into the Ultima8 folder, and the patch does not apply. What must I do?

you must read readme from the patch

Much thanks. I have applied the patch with success. Take care.

Can someone please tell me how to obtain the speech pack for Ultima VIII? Does it come with the patch?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ultima VIII patch application @ Aug 1 2007, 06:11 PM) [snapback]302312[/snapback]</div>no problem

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ultima VIII speech pack @ Aug 1 2007, 06:13 PM) [snapback]302313[/snapback]</div>you can get some patches here http://www.bootstrike.com/Ultima8/downloads.html but i dont think there will be a speech pack. for that you need to get better version, wherever you have downloaded it from=)

Hello. If I obtain the speech pack later, would I have to delete my currently saved files in order to install it, as with the patch, or can I impliment it into my saved games?

first of all, that wouldnt be patch but stolen file from original game (it is still protected). and second of all, i dont think you would need to delete your save games

i cannot found the download link O_O

Sorry, there isn't a download link, the game is protected by ESA.

http://www.abandonia.com/themes/abandonia/nogo.gif

I can't download?

Obviously not.

Mmmmmazin!
 

This is one of my fav games of all time, and the best ultima game, is dark and spooky. I had the original unpatched version which is impossible from the sourcers onwards as you have to have the regnants on the right bloody pixel to get a spell to work. I then downloaded the patch and completed the game, with a little help from a guide, I was so close doing it on my own. Gutted!

Oh yeh and there was no point to the pilgramage bit, as they never bothered programming it.

My rating 10/10

It's a shame that parts of this game do feel incomplete. Especially when you then here that there were plans for an expansion which got canned. You could see Electronic Earts rearing its ugly head even back then!

yeah, where's the download button gone? =(

ok after a bit of stuffing about, just use this direct link to the download page for ultima 8.

[LINK REMOVED]

:rulez:
It's nice you're one of those ingenious types, but I can't allow this link to remain.

This is the worst of all Ultimas, even U9 was better, and that means a lot. This is in no way connected to Ultima, its more a jump and run. Its badly scripted, the quests are a disaster, and jesus, the memory manager thing was a total screwup. I wish this game had never happened!:flame:

Ultima VIII was heavily criticised by fans of the Ultima series since it came out, but, maybe because I played it before I got to know the rest of the Ultima games, I actually found this game to be very charming und special.
Sure it's different to the other Ultima parts, sure it has a lot arcade elements in it unlike the other ones, including the real-time combat, but training makes the master. And sure it has a lot of unfinisched ties in the story and a lot of, sometimes nasty, bugs which weren't still fixed with the patch. For that it offers a strange and unique world which quickly drew me into it's charm and mysterious mood which is perfectly supported by the music.

So, not being a die-hard fan of Ultima games though I love many of them, I don't think this is the worst game in the series but actually one of the best along with the two side-parts Ultima Underworld and Ultima Underworld II. And I played Ultima 9 through, too.
It's just a shame the promised addon The Lost Vale never came out for it.

Sound effects in Pagan
 

Anyone know if it's possible to get sound effects to work in dosbox? I'm uisng vdmsound, but I only get the music.

Yep, just run the installer and change the sound configuration to match your
DOSBox configuration. Have you tried that with vdmsound?

...
 

No I haven't, I didn't know vdmsound was configurable..I thought I remembered just putting some files in the game directory.

I'll read up on it I guess!

stuff
 

Ok I messed around a bit and got it working, I didn't realize you needed to set the .exe to "run as vdms"...it seems to work great now, thanks alot.

I will probably be flamed for this question, but I can't see which link to click in order to download the game... :wall:
Anyone care to help:(

Flamed ...? Naaaaaa, we will just point you to the F*AGS FAQS.

Just read and you'll know what ESA means..

I tried playing this about 10 years ago. It seemed decent enough, but of course I chose to store all of my stuff in some sort of container that apparently resets and deletes everything in it, and that just happened to be the container I used, and so I lost everything I had in it. Made me so mad, I quit playing.

The game is currently unavailable to download Ulrik.

Regarding VDMS
 

There are two other file extensions to consider when using VDMS Sound. You already know how to configure using EXE the other two would be COM and BAT. Every dos game consists of these 3 executable extensions. Of course I personally have not tried it but I bet its worth a try ( the game runs with sound and you got yourself a helluva bargain )

Bottoms Up. :D
________
RedHairedPleasure

Can't Download Game
 

If you don't see the Download Button that means the game is sold by a merchant entity, which means that if you want the game you have to buy it. ( There are other alternatives which I will not mention here. Look around and you might just be able to get for free ).

Enjoy thy games. :D
________
AMC COMPUTERIZED ENGINE CONTROL

NEED HELP PLEASE
 

ok I installed the game with DOSBox without any problem and the game runs perfectly and with sound ehehe

My only problem is that I dont know how to save the game (really). After pressing ESC and the menu shows up, when I try to write in the diary nothing happens.....

Can anyone give me some advice here

Are you perhaps attempting to write over the beginning entry? If so its not possible, you need to start from the 2nd entry and after clicking the blank space it should allow you to write whatever you wish there and then just hit enter to save it.

I brought Pagan on the 3.5 and CD only installed to see if it worked and then put it away. I did like what I saw though and was planning on playing it one day which never came. I still have them and the whole Ultima collection. I would like to see a return to Ultima but guess that would never happen and yes, out of the whole series Ultima 7 and its expansions was the best.:thumbs:

Unprotected - YEY! Time to celebrate :)

So, is this the full game or a CD-rip?

There is no such thing as a Cd-Rip of Ultima VIII, the game is installing itself fully from the files on CD and plays from hard drive. This is what you have for download here, the installed and ready full game.

Yes, except that the "cd version" came with the speech pack integrated, the floppy version had it seperate.

Thanks for the info! :)

Looks like its there. I just downloaded and compared it to mine installed from the original Ultima Collection CD and all the sound files look the same.
The directory from abandonia is 1-2MB bigger then mine though... Maybe mine doesnt have em, to be honest after all these years Ive never been interested in even starting Pagan so never actually played it hehe..

Just finished the game. At the moment my desk if filled with notes containing scribbled texts on reagents, spells and other obscurities. A game without a quest log or map of any kind was quite the challenge. Though early memories of my first playthrough during the nineties helped a lot.

Is a real shame that they never released the expansion. There are some screenshots out there and they look really interesting.

Oh, first post in this forum by the way. I just had to join up as thanks to Abandonia for making this game available.

They actually did make a finished version of the expansion The Lost Vale though never released it for sale. But there is one single full version of it which was sold on eBay in around 2005 for a huge mass of money to a collector who's of course holding it tight instead of releasing it to everyone for being available.
Look here for details: Link

...
Question :
is the Reagants that can be found around certain area will be regenerated again after some time passed or not ...
:mhh:

Yes and no. Every single placed item in the game doesn't respawn so once it is used up or thrown into the water, it disappears forever. But you can get more reagents if you slay monsters who do respawn in some areas, some types of monsters tend sometimes to have some reagents on their corpses such as trolls, ghosts and probably skeletons though not that sure for the last. In any case you're better advised not to waste any reagent you find along the way, they're not unlimited.

I don't know, Scatty. My impression from that forum link is not that that a full, finished copy of an expansion was made, or sold, but that the box and its art are accurate. The fact that nobody has commented upon the code, and that neither Garriott nor EA are t screaming bloody murder over a game they supposedly own but was never sold and has now been auctioned off, should tell us all something.

Well I don't think that a simple game box and maybe manual alone would be sold for so much money. It is a single, finished copy of the expansion for Ultima VIII which never made it out into producing more and distributing for sale, thus remaining the only piece of full Lost Vale available worldwide.

Not too sure about that. I've seen some games going for $500 US and up. It's just possible that as time moves on, what we view as contemporary or slightly old will become viewed as antique. ;) And there are people who were practically teethed on the Ultima games. To have even the box art for one nobody else has...? Wouldn't surprise me. And I would be very surprised if a copy of a product never issued with public license by Garriott or EA was sold to somebody else without a bunch of lawyers stepping in.

I remember hearing on the BBC a few years back that a plastic saxophone owned by Charlie Parker, the legendary jazz musician, sold for $10 million US. Parker never saw $100,000 in his entire lifetime.

Of course, if it is real, the thing is very easy to prove. Just invite over a few reputable reviewers familiar with the Ultima series. Have them check out the box, and on film, capture them looking at, and playing, the title. I'll believe this one-copy-game exists when I see prove of it.

Dear Veterans and Ultima 8 players,

Would be so kind to inform me is this game very nice because I am planning now to start the game?

Pls excuse this idiot-like question..

Any info 'bout the game is welcomed.

Of course I will dully read all conc. help texts.

Thank You and excuse me I am troubling you..

yoga
:))

Well you might want to read through these two reviews - Link1 and Link2 and look here on Mobygames the screenshots of the game (to the right, under the advertisement) to get a picture. Some might like it, others not. I for my part think this game is great.

To start Ultima 8 is my aim .. and finish.. HA HA
 

Dear Scatty,

my thanks for such prompt and positive instruction.
Yes, I did DL the game, installed the game using DosBox under XP Pro and now begin careful reading of all help and your links.
( Well, I will try the game under Windows 7 Ultimate ).
I visit Youtube and see some small videos to understand the battle Technics of the Avatar.
But the very first thing I want to know is HOW to Save my progress.

Thank You once again very politely..

( Sob, sob - Everton - MU 3:1 :(( )

yoga
Berbatov countryman and fan
:thumbs:

3 times Hurray for yoga
 

Hi, all,
I have pleasure to inform You that 2 minutes before I started U8 under Windows 7 Ultimate.
More details:
- I installed DosBox under XP Pro in the same PC and without any problem started the game..Well. (Nota bene: I this PC I am using Windows ME, XP Pro and Win 7).
- I entered Win 7, open from here DosBox and started U8. Great!
It starts.
1-The games is working very nice.
2-Sounds and music - Yes.
3-The only problem faced when I with Alt+Enter try to use Full screen. As a result the color schema changed and all colors became bad. But another Alt+Enter solves the situation - game played in a window very well. This is no problem at all.
Details: Win 7, 2GB RAM, 2GHz, Video card -64 MB, Nvidia Geforce , 22"Monitor, 1600 x 1200 resolution.

yoga
beta tester
and future translator of AB in Bulgarian lang

:thumbs:

I get the same problem sometimes but only if I switch to full screen after starting a game.
Also, changing the output in DOSBox conf to ddraw or overlay solves the problem.

That might be because the game's resolution is not the default 320x200 but some unusual one, not sure what it is exactly. If you start the game in fullscreen it should be displayed normally though.

Attn. - Yoga started U 8.
 

Good morning from sunny BG,

After my morning tea I will start the game Ultima 8..
I did some exercises and I am ready.
But these crocodile-like creatures are very strong!
Never mind.
Yoga crashed the powerful Lord Xeen (thanks clever Paco and other AB members) and will crash these current demons and wizards.
The Russians will said:
"Ни пуха, ни пера"
(Sorry, this can't be translated to Eng. It is some like Good luck. Ha ha ha)

So, yoga, grab your sword and Forward.

:thumbs:

@Yoga Firstly you should train your Char to 25 (max) with slashing your Weapon in nothing and read so many Books as you can.


btw Most Monster cant be beaten or only with much Time and Work which is often not worth it. These Lizard are not very strong. ^^

Where is this Castle
 

Hi, Paco, ja, ja,

I agree with You.
But you finished the game before 3-4 years und yoga started before 3 hours..
For example now, where, the hell is this Castle in Central Tenebrae??
Will be very nice if You prepare a detailed map.
This way a idiot like yoga will find very easy the wanted location..

More: In my walkthrough stated:

Visit Mythran at the Plataeu:
Get money before you go.
Go to the castle in central Tenebrae.

Where? How many money?
Everyone know that money not lay on the street, even in Swiss.

yoga
a new player of U8

:thumbs:

The Castle is just North of the Gate where you entered the City. You should at last activate the Teleport-Portal in the Castle.

Forget the Plateau for the Time Being. The way to it is hard. Obsidian is the Current in Pagan. You should take your time and explore the City and loot it (but beware that no one can see if you steal something. Yes, this is not like other RPGs where you can freely loot anything)

For example go to Jewelry in East and sleep in her Bed for some Hours and check if she is out, then loot all Jewel on Table and sleep again and sell it back to her for some Money.

And some House in City have some nice Stuff, but some are protected by Traps. :D

oh while you are at it, Can you make some Screenshots of the Game with DOSBox? Some Screenshots on AB is of bad Quality, so it need to be replaced.

Edit:

and get the Key-Ring to put all Key you found on it. Its very helpful

@ Danke, Paco for yr instructions about U 8.

..Paco, no need to ask me for Screenshots of all..
You help me so much in Xeen so just say and finito.
I will send you Screenshots from Win XP and Win 7.

Just, just to enter this Castle, bitte.

yoga aka Avatar

Didnt i say so in my last Post:

The Gate is also North of the Bridge where the Beheaded-Scene happened.

North is in this Game Top-Right and South Bottom-Left. East Bottom-Right and West Top-Left.

A new Yoga's journey, nice! :woot:

Yoga: http://www.replacementdocs.com/download.php?view.6989
If needed: Foxit small, fast, freeware PDF viewer.

Hello Capo!
 

Wow, my good friend Capo is here!

Great!!

Nice to meet YOU.

All nice gang is here (well respected Paco, nice goodhearted Scatty and YOU).

Viva Italy!! Forever..

As you see, me, humble yoga again is on the battled path, with painted of battle colors face and ready to crash down the bad Guardian as I crashed the bad Lord Xeen years ago..
Well, all help will be welcomed.

Note: As I walked up-down the Tanebrae, some creature - abs. copy of me attacked me. I was very surprised for a moment, but very soon sent this one in a better world.
Second note: Following the instruction of Paco to obtain money I visited a rich widow of the executed one and steeped in her house. She disappeared and I (shame for yoga) as real bandito grab her valuable stuff from the table. But she does not return back to sell these things. Why?

yoga from small, sunny and lovely Bulgaria

FOR both BG translators only:
Sry, this text in my native lang
Здравейте, може ли да Ви помогна?
(Hi, may I help You?)

Ciao, amigo Capo.
:thumbs:

AH, a Changeling. Its very weak and give often Money and Molotok.

She come back to certain Hour. So you can wait or better sleep until She come back.

Hurray - I have nice walk through !!!!
 

Gnadige Dosrider,

Guten Tag und
DANKE, DANKE, DANKE!!!

Your help is great!
This 51 pages book will save much of my time..
YOU very kind..
How can I recompense?

Alles gut!

Danke noch ein mal..

Grateful yoga

:thumbs:

She come back to certain Hour. So you can wait or better sleep until She come back.

@Paco

Roger, amigo.

But this town is not small at all..

Yes, it is not like Xeen territory, but anyway I need iron boots..
(Seriously, can I find some bow in the game or not?)

Now I will practice my battle technics to reach higher points, but I am lazy to read all books. Anyway I am soldier not student..BTW I like fair battle not magics exercises.
Have I give some money (how) to beggars or not?

Merci


:))

There is none in Game. :(

You need just one Book. So read through it rapid and again and again...

INT is needed for Mana Point. You can later cast Magic and so...
Magic is needed to complete the Game, believe me...

no, They arent important for the Story.

Be sure to read the book until the end and close it with one click which counts as it being read, not with double-click which counts as aborting reading it and doesn't bring any experience. Best for such training of intelligence is a very short book with only one page, which you can open again and again, and finish also immediately with a single click. But you should be able to find enough books in the library of Tenebrae in the east part of the town (going through the gates at the right side from the palace).

As for practicing strength and dexterity, if it gets tedious after a while to whack with the weapon at the air, you can also climb up the walls and jump down again, or simply jump around which also trains both.

If you want to see what the consequences are for stealing stuff in the town and being caught, save the game and do so where you can be seen. It's pretty funny :D

Viva Las Vegas
 

@Paco
@Scatty

Roger, amigos..

yoga


:thumbs:

Is that really necessary ? Dont looks very funny.

If you want to have 25 intelligence already at the beginning of the game, yes. You have a better idea how to train it fast?

Победа будет за нами!!
 

I read the Clue book very slowly.

---Excuse me, can I know my coordinate in the space? (x and y)
For example: 25, 43

---I need good Axe.

I tried to kill one lizard, but another two lizards imm. helped the first (Warum), so I return and run away.
Tell me about attacked lizard:
Is its power regenerates to max, when I did using 5 sleeping hours?
When I returned to fight, has it the max strength?

My plan: To run on the lizard, try some swings, looking on my power indicator right down and when it shows decreasing of my power, run away in save place, sleep, and again and again till lizard is killed.

More: When I kill all bad creatures, they appeared again or not? Because in some RPG games when the hero visit some places, the game again and again regenerates creatures.

Some small little stupid girl asked me silly questions all the time she meet me?
Was ist das?

Ty
:thumbs:

If is not neccesary i will totally avoid the " read 100 books and attack the air" part.

You wouldn't get far in Ultima VIII then if you don't train your three statistics to 25. Dexterity increases the speed of the melee attacks and your armor class, strength increases the damage, while both of them increase the life points. And I repeat, you'll need all of this at maximum to not be frustrated with the game.
As for intelligence, as soon as you come in touch with magic (which will be pretty soon) you'll want to have intelligence (which dictates the mana points available) at maximum so earlier or later you'll have to train it up anyway. Better earlier to have all that behind you already and enjoy the game more.

In certain places the monsters are always again there once you leave the area and re-enter it. As for fighting the bigger creeps, you'll want to wait until you get hold of you first magic weapons, Yoga, they do more damage than normal weapons. The best normal weapon to begin with is a two-handed sword anyway, earliest location to get one - the smith in West-Tenebrae, just follow the road to the west and you'll come to his house. That'll make it a bit easier in the beginning.
But you'll probably want to consider leaving stronger enemies alone and make a big circle around them until later. Enemies to avoid at the beginning include - trolls (those giants with huge clubs), demons (red, horned, big nasty mouth and clawed hands), ghosts (black flowing robes with skull as head, can only be hurt with magic weapons, spawn flaming skulls which track you down and explode - ouch), kiths (red-brown six-legged spider-similar looking critters, they can bite painfully) and beholders (single big eye on top of a red tail which ends in a toothed mouth, can hurt painfully but have not many lifepoints). Trolls and demons especially make shashlik out of you quite fast. Ghouls are quite weak though, so are changelings who like to transform into your own figure.

007
 

@Scatty , danke noch ein mal..
Nice instructions, very nice..
(AK-47 is very popular Russian made gun -it shots in manual mode also- by M. Kalashnikov in 1947-48)

@Capo (del tutty capos - ha ha) why not join to me and together play the Ultima 8? Kind Scatty and Paco and others will help us.
Si, signore mio..

Great idea.

Ciao, boys.

(BTW today I will be in mountain BG region to translate one foreigner before BG authorities)
:thumbs:

Geez, I just noticed, you certainly re-saved and re-compressed the screenshots few times after they've been uploaded for the first time back then. Only the last one is sharp, a later addition. No wonder you would like some new ones.
Anyway, I'm off to download Ultima VIII to get hooked into it myself now. Thanks for the inspiration Yoga :D

Edit: this FAQ / Walkthrough is also in my opinion a better one than the one on this site, I used it years back when I was playing Ultima VIII often and it covers more detailled things about the game. Link

Edit2: there is also the last, updated version of the FAQ here - Link.
The change seems to consist mostly only of the new info about the U9 preview chest, whether such thing ever existed or not.

Some another player of U8?
 

Hi, amigos,

Hurry to tell y some very interesting:
"Investigating the town Tenebrae I enter careless in the cemetery and ...was killed very strange.."
Some creature attacked me with a yellow flaying ball-like thing (it was similar of Doom 2 creature which sent same balls from distance and boxing with y when near by..)
No help of running because the flying bomb followed me everywhere!!!

... and some little girls started to hit me ???
No, no I was gentleman and avoid these stupid..
I am real follower of Yoga philosophy and never wanted to kill children, even in game.

Nice game, very nice- ab. 5 hours I investigate and at last I was loosed..

Ha ha

But I have nice maps of Clue book. Again TY dear Dosrider!

yoga

PC: My rucksack is full and very uneasy to find needed stuff!
Like a lady's handbag.

:thumbs:

Told you further above to avoid the ghosts for now as they spawn flaming skulls that auto-seek you....

Yes, that is why i asked yoga to make new Screenshots so we can replace it, but you can help out too. ^^

I'll be on that one during my progress

Recruit volunteers for U8. Who will join me? Cold beer and pizza free
 

@Paco - I will provide AB with nice Screenshots, but I am in the beginning right now. I know my duty.. Ja, ja aber the game is very interesting, yoga ist heute Uberzetzer and Psttt - The boss is approaching..

@Scatty -- Hm hmm, probably there is a method to kill this creature in cemetary..
Go on in U8. Lets progress together, camarad.. :))
You will read the books, I will kill the bad ones. Agreed?
Gut.
I will send Y my save files, OK?:max:

Off
Gamers, I played the game --Prince of Persia 3D.. Not recommend you.
Just jump, jump like a idiot. I am not Mario to jump.

BTW, how to jump over closed doors? For example in Princess Palace?

yoga
:thumbs:

I dont have enough time brother, i still have to play Ultima 7, maybe i will play it this summer ;)

Ultima saga forever..
 

OK.
Till summer I will finish U8 and start U7 and Y will help me and I will help You.
Very nice.

Is U7 nice game?
U8 is nice game..

Ciao, friend

:thumbs:

Well you can kill the ghosts only with a magic weapon (weapon surrounded with a blue line), for once, as I've written further above. Just whack at it continuosly clicking as fast as you can, as it will step back after being hit press on and whack further until it's dead. Quite simple once you figure it out. If you don't hack at it all the time it will spawn the flaming skulls quickly enough and it will get difficult.

About the save game, I'm not quite sure what you meant to propose I would be doing with it. To help you with the ghost? I would gladly do that if you like some help, but first - if you run far from some certain areas and return to them monster will often re-appear there so it's of no real use that I kill that ghost, and second - it might be better for you to learn to master the combat for yourself if you intend to progress in the game further on, because it won't get really easier and you better be prepared :)

Пуст всегда будет солнце.Volunteers wanted..Free beer and pizza.
 

Dear Scatty,

I was just joking for our mutual game.:)
Yes, yes I like to joke. I like humor..
But when had to be serious, I am like a rock.

Game: Yes, Ich habe ein gut Clue Buch, aber ist sehr gut zu beobacten the town, walking up-down, fighting, speaking with town people, without instruction.
Ja, ja my German is sehr schlecht. aber ich liebe German people und .. ha ha.
Y'now the feeling to introduce with the game is very nice.
Of course after first days I will follow strictly the Book. I have time (Capo will wait till summer) and I enjoyed now.
One question, if you do not mind:
- Well respected Paco inform me that is possible to jump over some locked doors, if they are air open.
Pls, how to do that. I tried, tried in vain.
Well, I make one mistake: Attack the bad creature, swing some hits and run to save place (some building), creature followed me, I close the door and want to sleep to regenerate my strength.
Nein. Ummoglich. I receive message: No time to sleep now.??
So I am forced to eat some cheese or like to up my strength. And then out and meet the bad. Is this tactic stupid ?
Danke sehr, Scatty, und einschuld.. Sie, bitte.

ein stupid yoga
:thumbs:

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Hi, folks,
Report: The Recall pad in CT -Palace is activated.

My status:
STR - 19
INT - 15
DEX - 18
AR - 4
HITS - 38
MANA -30
WGT -74
Yes, still very weak,but every beginning is hard.

Now I am searching this Keyring in CT2.

yoga

:thumbs:

When i will leave status Freak? Have 127 postings..

The next usertitle is from 150 to 199 posts, but it's a Freak too. :laugh:

Well you like a good advise? Let the clue book be, try to discover the game on your own. Trust me, you'll have much more fun that way. Use the clue book the second time, to see if you missed something out the first time you were playing.

I wouldn't know that it would be possible to jump over locked doors. You can, however, climb walls beside a door if the door can't be opened and you're NOT inside a bulding since you can't jump through the ceiling above your head ;)
A good example is in the catacombs you'll discover later on.

Also you can't sleep with hostile creatures nearby, kind of makes sense since they'd (theoretically) get you while you're asleep, or simply keep you from sleeping by howling or whatever :p
You can run run away something like 2 screen-length of a distance and then it will be possible to sleep, unless the monster followed you. Just run away far enough.
Gather yellow potions (heal slight wounds) or red potions (heal completely) to be able to heal yourself in critical situations where you have no other choice. Purple potions make you invincible for a short time, use the time to kill whatever you need to before they'll become able to injure you again. Also grey potions make you invisible, useful to sneak past some though monsters and avoid being attacked. You find those potions everywhere and you can often loot some of stronger killed monsters for potions, like ghosts or skeleton warriors. Keep in mind that skeleton warriors stand up after short time and you can kill them again, and they'll have again something to loot.

Actually you forgot the ь letter after Пуст ;)

Полюбила парень, парень молодой
 

Mama mia,

Scatty, You know Russian?? Bravo..
Хорошо. Хочешь говорим по Р. some time?
Yes, yes the letter ь is very small and i forgot.. Xa xa

The game:
Nice advise to play the game first time without Clue book.
I will follow it.

Report: The Keyring is found..

Q: Why some stupid small girls attacked me (6 -7)? I am just walking around with no bad intends. They, the stupid, pr. do not know I am armed and dangerous. What to do? To kill them all or avoid? Sposibo.
Q2: Some time my avatar starts to walk strange way: Like a sleep-walker?
Q3: You played The Elder scrolls- Arena?

Победа будет за нами!

:thumbs:

Where did this girl attack you? In town or outside of town, through the north gate of Tenebrae? If it's something like 4 children attacking you outside of a town in a corner between the city wall and a mountain, you can safely kill them, it's kind of a silly joke on side of game's designers. Or you can just let them be and walk away. Don't attack any non-hostile people anywhere or you're gonna be killed by Beren when they summon him.
If Avatar walks like a sleepwalker and a Burps! appears from time to time over his head he drank one over the eight, if you know what I mean. Drinking alcohol is actually funny to watch, especially after 5-6 bottles (watch that one) but has otherwise no use to the Avatar whatsoever.
Yes I played The Elder Scrolls - Arena and I also played The Elder Scrolls - Daggerfall extensively, especially the second one. Why?

Yes, the same 4 girls outside the town walls. OK I will finish these ones.

Elder Scrolls?
In the future I will explain in more details my Q :))

By the way I am feeling bad, robbing the poor widow of the executed man on the beach. Shame for yoga. I have now 240 Obsidian coins..
Is it time to buy some battle equipment from some smith-like man?
In this connection I have more
Q: Walkin' up-down I enter one ruined house and wow ... fall down, nearby one Troll.. Terrible I run away killing some small turtles-like creatures and right, right I find a door. Open and find nice battle Axe. Then I back and left I open one door of the room with 4-5 woman and another troll. As a fox I entered the room and very fast take a key. Then back to first place. Well, I killed the knight, small creatures, enter the first room, close the door after troll but no exit.. Sadly, I load another moment of the game..
Q2: In the palace of CT at the second floor I found a square strange thing with diagonals,thinking this is a recall pad. I walked on it, but no reaction? Am I wrong? Some where i read the lift will up-down?

Have a good time with Elder scrolls.
:thumbs:

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@Luchsen

Danke sehr, gnadige Luchsen.

yoga

LOL

no, that is no needed, btw you can also use the Sleep-Rob-Trick on Smith too. On this way you get alot good Stuff for the Begin and you can sell back unnecessary Stuff to him too to get more Money.

You will later receive something on the Plateau to teleport around, but you have to active it beforehand or else you have to walk back to Tenebrae barefoot. ^^

What is yoga without nice Paco and Scatty?
Absolute zero.
No Xeen saga, no Elder Scrolls, no Ultima..

..Yes, I will follow yr instruction...and Scatty's.

Q: Name some sum to keep, pls..now i have 240.
And after that i will ask you to send me to good Swiss bank to open account..:lust:

good hearth yoga

Tremble and cry Guardian..
The powerful YOGA approaching.
As Lord Xeen was crashed, same will be your doom..
:thumbs:

I doubt you could sell anything to the smith. But he'll gladly sell something to you :)

You actually found the Treasure Cove, a dungeon at the end of which you would have found a magic weapon, the Slayer (10% chance to kill the enemy on hit). I suppose with the knight you mean the skeleton warrior. They get up again few moments after you killed them, only two ways to kill them permanently. If I was you I would go fall down there again and look around. The room with the key was correct already, but the exit is not where you entered the dungeon. Look out for and read the books on pedestals :)

As about the obsidian coins, you'll need around 2x 666 of them (666 is the max you can have stacked in one pile) for buying few spell books later at the plateau.

Edit: also when you arrive at that point in the game, Sorcery (fire magic of the Enclave) can be pain in the arse unless you're good with small details and keep track of everything that's necessary, and there's much to keep in mind. This picture of names of the pentagram's tips is helpful when preparing the spells.
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/u5...yPentagram.png

Bad day today for yoga..

Again as a bandito rob an innocent lady - some like Scarith or like - with scepter - Scimitar, money and candle..

Am i fair, noble soldier or real bandit?

First - the poor widow - so cheeky is to sleep in home of a kind person and as gratitude to take the diamonds.. more over to sale back to the mistress
Second - as a fox fast grab the key of a troll
Third - today rob the scimitar

Mama mia...
At last i did 2 stupid attempts to show 5 screenshots of Ultima 8 and fail as a real idiot.
Pls let admin delete this 2 my posts.
But i never did this operation in my life before..
They are below Scatty shots..

Ashamed, I fall down on the floor, crying loudly..

The curtain falls down.

Hey, cheer up, everyone has a first time. What you can do is experiment with those screenshot links and press Preview Post under your post instead of Submit Reply, that way you'll see the results of your posting above it without actually have posted it. Useful for seeing how the final result of your post would look like. Try it that way ;)

Besides, you can edit your two posts there and insert the screenshots into them, trying as described above, so they become useful - no need to delete anything.

Arent you the incarnation of the virtues ? :sneaky:

OK,
I will be as hard as rock and without mercy will kill all evil minions.
YOU may see how yoga kill 7 small stupid girls, who attacked me.
Ty, dear Paco for your non stop support and assistance more than 5 years.
God bless YOU!

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/6695/u8035.png

I think the Kids dont exist in German Version. :wondering:


http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/4246/u8037.png


To your other Question: You have to near the Recall Pad to activate it, then it will be hovering and coloring like this as shown.

Yes they do, I used to install Ultima VIII earlier in German from the original CD and these kids are also there, strangely there're 7 and in English version I always encountered only 4. Some kind of joke on German censorship? :mhh:

As about the pad, it's already activated once you're near it. However it becomes only useful later, when you visit Mythran on the Plateau and he gives you the red teleportation device. Double-clicking on it will bring up a menu with already activated so far teleport pads you can teleport to.

Hurray!! Step by step

Arent you in the game the same Avatar of the previous games ? Interesting :o

Yeah it was mentioned also in this online conference between Origin and Richard Garriott and fans of Ultima VIII in 1994. Made him kinda pause thoughtfully.

Hi and SOS,

Yoga started voyage to Mythran:
-Jumped all stones across the water. In the right found 4 magic scrolls. Jumped to the land. OK. Then clump up, kill the ghoul and take a dagger and strange red-yellow spinning disk.
Well, i reached small zone with damaged winch and lever. Left two metal wired gates. In my Clue book i read two remarks for one thing but they are not clear. Allow me to quote:

Page 62
"(PL,4) Gate First, throw all levers on the far side of the rope bridge without bones in front of them. (PL,2)
Then the last lever must be thrown. " (PL,3)

Page 73
"Go to Mythran's house through cave."
.. Cross the rope bridge (PL,2)
Throw all levers without bones or sculls in front of them.
Return across the bridge and use the lever (PL,3) in small ruined building (?!) to open the two large iron gates (PL,4)...

Where I am wrong? I did both procedure, but these gates are still closed.
Throw I mean pressing the lever from me to contrary direction.
More over some times (I did many tests) the main lever ( it is before the two groups levers , left and right -each of 3 levers) thrown already?
PL=Plateau

The game is so nice, like a fairy tale..

yoga

When you have used the row of levers across the bridge in the right order there'll be earthquake so you'll know when they're right. When they are, use the single lever and the gates will open. Just experiment with the row of levers.

Single lever You mean this one, before the 6 more?
Not broken one which is on the other side, near broken winch?

With the single lever I mean the one by the chest in a ruin, before the rope bridge.

Theory of Probability
 

I experiment with the 7 levers in the ruined house about a 24 hours without result. To clear the problem, once again:

- In the ruined house we have 1 lever just after entrance. OK?
I will name this lever Front lever.
Then we have one row of 3 levers in the right and one row of 3 levers in the left. OK?
So, 1+3+3 = 7 levers.
I did the next combinations:
1. All 7 levers away from me.
2. All 7 levers towards me.
3. Right row of 3 levers away from me. Left row of 3 levers towards me. Front lever away from me.
4. Right row of 3 levers away from me. Left row of 3 levers towards me. Front lever towards me.
5. Right row of 3 levers towards me. Left row of 3 levers away from me. Front lever away from me.
6. Right row of 3 levers towards me. Left row of 3 levers away from me. Front lever towards me.
..
Another combinations are possible, but we will enter the Theory of Probability. According to this Theory, we have to speak about 7!
(!= factorial) or 6x5x4x3x2x1=720 combinations.
But I do not believe the authors will use so difficult solution.
Well, I will do once again above tests. If again fail I will rest 1 day and then...
:thumbs:

According to this FAQ / Walkthrough I linked to few pages before already, you need to press the levers that way:
Try it and see if that works.

Hurray, It is done..Cont.
LOL

"Those doors are there to provide an entrance into the Lost
Vale. You can't open them until the add-in module that will be
available late this summer or early fall. Good job spotting
those doors!"

:(

I know, it's a real pity. Got to read everything possible on the net and some fan sites about it, but it's an unfortunate truth - the expansion pack is dead, no backup of an actually fully finished copy back then anywhere. Gotta just say - f*** the EA. Also for rushing out the following Ultima IX to be that bad instead of all the great ideas Richard Garriot had for it.

Mates,
slowly I progressed. I play non stop. Only piece of bread and on keyboard..

But how to meet Aramina in Bloodwatch?
When is Bloodwatch in our routine, human life?

She will give me an important key..

merci

Get a Clock in City, then click on it to learn which Time it is. If it isnt Bloodwatch, then go sleep until its Bloodwatch.

Thank YOU, Paco.

As usually YOU are very kind.

yoga

(I used Chatbox to ask because I am crazy after this nice game - It is like a fairy tale).
I do play day and night.
Only translation will slow my gaming speed.

LOL

Small problem:

I have the key required (from Amarina) but how it is insert in key ring?
I open my back sack , take key and put on the key ring.
Or take the key and put on the key ring.
In both case nothing happens??

;(

Click twice on Key then click on Keyring and done.

Yes. Done.
Well respected and dear Paco, how I will
compensate Your non stop support during last 3 years?

OK, I will do brilliant translation of AB to BG and bring in the forum at least 20 Bulgarians-gamers?
Agreed?

Of course Thank YOU again.

happy yoga

:)

Caramba.. What happen?

I have a key from Amarina.
I am before Mordea's bedroom.
I see Her Majesty is sleeping.
The watch shows Bloodwatch. And..
both doors declared ;;;; Locked door;;

Why? Why? Why?

yoga is crazy

The Key is somewhere in Throneroom and you should only go to Bedroom if Mordea is eating.

Paco,

all done. I am Apprentice now.

I am on the road again to select some ingredients, Necromancer wants.

I enjoy the game!!! So nice..

THANK YOU, ABANDONIA.

yoga

SOS
 

My walk through states:

@1
To get the hood, follow the dirt path back through the archway and then
head east, perpindicular to the road. You'll have to go south 5 or ten steps
too. You'll find a pit with changelings in it. At the center is an island of
sorts with executioner's hood on it.

Can not find it! Is this Hood in cemetery or outside?

@2
To get the sticks, Teleport to Central Tenebrae and head west to west Tenebrae. You'll find the sticks under a tree in the northwest area.
(15150,3050,56,39) There will be a ghost and a burnt out building nearby.
Get the sticks.
Can not get it! I approached burned out house, enter it and uncovered a Maze. Inside I found a money bag. Out. No sticks.
I located the tree to house, clicked and clicked, no sticks.. You think is easy to find. Absolutely NO. A ghost attacked me with flying self-targeting fire bombs-sculls. Many ghouls around.
@3
Resting i made a trick and visit this Underground with trolls and magic axe. First time i was unable to leave it. Now i take the Axe, steal the key and then used Teleport device to safely return in CT>

y

:thumbs:

"follow the dirt path back through the archway"

Exit Cemetery and go East.

http://www.uo.com/archive/ftp/maps/u8/exechodw.gif


"find the sticks under a tree"

Its not IN Tree but under it.

http://www.uo.com/archive/ftp/maps/u8/spirromw.gif

Those sticks are called Elbow of Dead or similar, click once on them to see the name displayed.

Hurray
 

Hey, Paco and Scatty,

how is possible YOU both have so remarkable memory?
Of course all is OK.
Sticks and hode are found (thanks these nice graphics Paco provided), special key received and yoga "On the road again" - old Canned Heat song.

Well, because I am tired to say every time YOU helped me
Thank You, Danke sehr, Merci, Spasibo, so let deal:
Every time I say : Hi, Hello, Paco or/and Scatty that means:::::
Thank You Paco or/and Scatty.
Agreed? Nice.

Grateful yoga (not dead)

:thumbs:

Q: Dear Scatty, why YOU never are in ChatBox, if YOU do not mind?
This Q is very polite and YOU may right not to answer. TY

Simply - because I'm not hanging around here all the time. Just visiting from time to time to see through threads and maybe post on some, so it's usually not worth it to write something in the chatbox.

To do my mission I need Open Ground magic.
It is require 2 ingredients Blackmore (have) + Blood (havent)

Walk through stated:
There is also blood at the cemetary. (Where? Bottle?Color?)
NOTE: There is ONE place where you may have missed a vial of
blood - exit West Tenebrae and go to a waterfall. Look for a cave.
(Where?)
Mythran sales?

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/9155/u8012.png

Mythran Plateau is NOT West Tenebrae.

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/8697/u8011.png

besides pile of Earth is the Blood which you search for, but Im Necromancer House should also have lots and lots of Reagents which you can take.

By the way I found in some of my many bags Blood so i create my first magic Open Ground and entered the Catacombs.

But now I will back to this cave (i know it and entered but nasty skeleton attacked me and i leave it) to have more Blood reagent. Right of waterfall are some more ingredients.

May i wear Ceremonial Shield from Mythran wall?

It's not a piece of equipment you can put on, it serves another purpose which you'll discover soon after you've visited the Mountain King and returned to Vividos.

Maybe I make fatal mistake:
- I entered UC using Open Ground magic, but without learned Death of Speak magic and no any collected reagents. After entrance I save (1).
In my back sack are: bedroll, teleport device, money bag (about 300 coins), 4 death disks, keyring with some keys, caretaker key and 1 fish only..Desperately I left the UC to learn 2-nd magic. New trouble! After me the rocks closed the entrance.. But how one may know this unpredictable fact??
Crying all the time I visited the cave under waterfall, Paco directed me and bring in my HQ (near the Recall pad in Great Palace) in CT 2 bottles of blood. Save (2).
Well, i am still able to make new Open Ground magic and Death of Speak magic, having 2 Blood bottles and 4 shards bones.
Q: From what save point to start the game?
Q2: If Yes, what reagents to prepare in my sack to avoid similar mistakes before enter again UC?

huh? you didnt collect Potions and Scrolls? There are many in City to find.

The first Savestate is reserved and start the Game anew and cannot be override.

Blood and Bone arent the only Reagent you will need. There is also Blackmoor, Wood and Dirt. Collect as much you can.

Let the Sun shines
 

Report before enter again Upper Catacombs.

1.Location – Now I am in my HQ, ready to start.
2.Status – Str. 25
Int. 16
Dex. 25
Arm 6
Hits 50
Mana 32
Wght 48 (full)
3. Armor Battle axe
4. Condition Both magic are ready – Open Ground and Dead Speak
5. I read all 3 Walk through and know the map very well. I know where is Recall pad. I know what magic will learn in UC and its reagents.
What I have in my sack:
1.Bag - empty
2.Keyring with 4 keys.
3.Teleport device
4.Caretaker key
5.Bedroll
6.2 above magics
7.Scroll of invisibility
8.Scroll of trap detection
9.Scroll of trap destruction
10.Restore to sight scroll
11.Red potion – 5 pieces
12.Rocks 3 pcs.
13.Pile of bone shards – 3 pcs.
14.Piece of wood 3 pcs.
15.Yellow potion 2 pcs
16.Blue potion 1 pc
17.Pink potion 1 pc
18.Hood 2 pcs
19.Pile of dirt 1 pc
20.Flask of oil 2 pcs
Total 48 of 50. There are 2 free places.

I wait some advices, recommendations of above listing??

:thumbs:

You mean you have armor only 6? You should have bought arm guards, plate mail leggings and great helmet from the smith in East Tenebrae with which you would have around 11 armor. Not that the armor class helps much in this game but it helps anyway.
And what did you mean with Armor Battle axe? :dunno:

Sorry, it is Arms -Battle Axe
This is the axe I token at the Slayer.. Very nice weapon..

Well, I started Save point 1 - Without abs. one reagents. Practically havent Nothing in my sack.
But before empty sack beats a hearth of lion. So I started the game entering Upper Catacombs. Now I am after the double-black-doors in Stone cave , directed to the Mountain King.
My battle tactic was : Run and no fight, instinctively understand than with armor 6 only I am a week fighter. Now my armor is 12, I have good shield, many reagents, only on the long road I loosed my money, now have 30 coins only (I hope to return back after while and find the money bag - is that possible, Scatty?)
The game is very nice..! I enjoyed..
But without kind support of well respected Paco and Scatty and 3 walk troughs i will be down.
(I loosed 2 kg, gaming 2 days non stop.. Slept 5 hours only..)

Hurray!
:3:

Depending on where you dropped it, the bag will likely be still there. On some areas however (those where reagents re-spawn if you pick some up lying aroung, leave the area and re-enter it) I think items you leave lying around disappear after a time. As there's a limited amount of bags available in the game, even if many, losing them permanently is not advised.

Yes, I has 2 bags..

But now I meet problem to jump 2 disappearing platform after I lure the golem..
Have to be very fast.
As Prince of Persia 1 at level 8.. Do YOU remember that moment.. after a while the small mouse will help Prince to continue..
Sadly here I have no help from nice Princess, closed in dungeon by bad Jaffar..
Ha ha
nice memory

At last home!

Sweet home Alabama.

Status: I have Key of Scion.
Target: Shrine.

(Because I am short of money, i may again hit the road in UC.
Or goto Shrine).

My attempt to find my money bag during the long road in UC failed.
So i return and started battles with Changelogs, which seems to attack in series of 2 and give about 20 coins after killing. I kept about 170 coins.

What to do?
To buy some equipment and increase my current armor (12)?
Or buy scrolls and magics from Mythran?

I never buyed Armor and Weapon since i found all i need over Tenebrae and everwhere, but you can buy Magic Book from Mythran.

Oh also buy a Scroll to open Door. You will need it. You can drop Money and what you dont need in Mythran House. So you can always come back and get it if you need it.

I had many Bags for different Stuff.

1 Bag for mixing Reagents. 1 Bag for Potions, 1 Bag for Necromany Reagents, 1 Bag for Sorcery Reagents, 1 Bag for Air Magic, etc...