Ultimate Domain
 

Feel free to comment and discuss this game here. Also, if you have any useful tips or tricks don't hesitate to share them with the others! Thanks!

Review

I reviewed the game when it first appeared. The isometric 3D look was nice, and the world-building aspects actually took some time to master. But as I recall, the AI was truly terrible, and the game did very poorly.

Was the review by you? I was kinda looking for who reviewed it :whistle:

Uhm.. It's asking me to enter the first word of page 3, line 1.

To see if it's an original copy. Well.. what is it?

The answer it's looking for is pressing the Return key. If that doesn't work, just enter a random thing. When starting a new game, just pressing Return works for me. It asks it again when entering the barracks, which seems to require some input, but it's not picky. Anything goes for that.

Good game, lots of good memories with this game.

:help:
I am trying to install this game, and when I do atempt the game starts copying every subdirectory into itself.

Installing from dosbox.

Beansly

My PC freezes completely when playing the game. Gameplay is actually ok, but after a while... *poof* the screen just turns black and nothing happens anymore. :crazy:

No, not me. I haven't played it since I first reviewed it, when the game first appeared.

Then change the folder of the game of course - pick another name.

Had that too, but not when playing in windowed mode, only in fullscreen under DosBox.

some help anyone i dont understand how to play is there some sort of maual or something?

btw got the manual for the game from hotu maybe can be added to abandonia?
does this game have a few versions becuase in the manaul i download there are buttons that don't exist in this version.

I have this game on diskettes. It rocks. There should be more scenarios and the 3D isometric was good for those days. The AI is somewhat weak, because it does not pressure you, but even so give it a try. You'll enjoy it.

Make sure your citizens do not become ill at the start, otherwise you'll be in big trouble.

I remember this one. I even still have the CD. Of course I can't even get the install shell to run, even in DosBox. I suppose since there are people not complaining about such problems that wouldn't be a problem with the download.

Wasn't there some kind of patch that improved the AI somewhat? I thought I read that on some other abandonware site once.

After reading the manual from HOTU, it seems that Genesia and Ultimate Domain're slightly different games. Seems that Ultimate Domain has a slightly better interface, and some parts're more elaborate, like the barracks having three rooms, the temple two, etc. I'm quite curious for that version :D

I just tried windowed mode but it doesn´t help much. The computer still somewhat freezes but in windowed mode you can at least shut the program down and everything works fine again then. Takes some time though since every action is slowed down quite a bit.

But probably that´s not a general problem. No one else seems to complain about such a thing here.

I'll mention it on the DosBox forum on Reloaded when I'm back, later tonight.

Hi Kon-Tiki,

I reviewed Genesia this time around. Sent it to Kosta a little while ago. Just to clear up the mystery!

Overall it's not a bad game but yes the AI is terrible once you understand how everything works. But initally you'll think that it cheats.

Also I might add that I use DFend to run all of my dos games. So most of the problems that everyone here seems to be facing could be ironed out bar one.

It seems that if you play the game in full screen mode your notice issues with the music. That is to say it stutters from time to time. But in windowed mode I had no problems.

I must try harder to find my Ultimate Domain CD as it has a PDF of the manual on it.

if you could find the manaul it would be really great if not at least some basic help please

I would appreciate some help too.For example,how can I get more people?(and I dont wanna hear any stupid jokes bout that!)

i played it like 1000 times and im getting worser at it, my man always get ill and then they die or leave, could someone help me ? :P

Getting more people was always the hardest thing in this game. For the most part you'll need to have at least one Architect not actually constructiong anything. He/she will then go on to build more houses.

Without having any more houses no more people can move into your land. Later on you'll find that your Architect will build larger houses that can support three people or more. Then the usual way of getting more people will happen. But like in real life you'll need a man and a woman in the house.

As for people dieing and becoming ill. There really is nothing you can do about it until you develop cures for the various virus' that infect your settlers. This is done through the workshop. But really that will not happen for at least a few years.

Here is just one way in which you can begin your game:

With your 4 settlers divide them amoung these tasks 1 Architect, 3 woodsmen.

Build a drill to get more resources. If you build your drill on a hill side then you'll get more stone or closer to sea level to get more metal.

Now click on the hourglass and wait for your next turn (which should be Fall).

Whilst your woodsmen are cutting down trees and your Architect is building a drill. Start adding one or two wells (not too many else you'll dry out the land!) You could even add a field or two.

Once the drill is built (may take a season or two) you can leave your Architect to carry on building houses. Should you need to stop him just click back on the flag move the Architect to another task, then reassign him as an Architect.

Once your second year begins (Spring.) You should make two of your Woodsmen Carpenters. They will now turn the felled trees into boards/wood. Should you not have many Settlers left consider balancing the number of Woodsmen against Carpenters.

Now have your Architect construct a Warehouse to store all of the resources that you are now generating.

I'll post more later as I think that I have rambled on long enough. :D

Awesome Game.... I spent many hours of my youth playing this one with my father. Unfortunatly the CD was lost along with my 486 when it went the way of the dinosaur. I recomend this to anyone.

how to i asign people to do diferent tasks where to click?

hm... the research tree doesn't seem to feature any economic techs (the ones that would improve production of things), is that realy so?

p.s. to assign people to tasks you have to click on the flag (make sure you are in your land- it looks like a tower on the global map, well one of them actualy), then you'll get a menu like in the 7th screenshot, and there you just drag-and-drop where you want to assign people.

Yes a1s I hate to tell you but there are no economic techs. I guess they just consider all of your settlers to be working at peak performance.

But there are plenty of other techs to work on. I guess the closest one to an economic tech would be he wagon. As you are able to load it up with goods from one of your warehouses. Then move it to either one of your shops or to a rival.

well, jolly good review old chap! :ok:

thanks for all the help btw maybe abandonia can add ultimate domains as well?

@ xero919: Thanks! It's my first but personaly it could have been better.

@kleine777: No probs. I would love to see Ultimate Domain posted as well. The version which I have missplaced also had speech, if I recall.

@Mambaru: Your name's added as reviewer\uploader.
@Hannes: The bug's reported.

:help: i downloaded and winzipped it but i think i need an axcess code....



what is it?

Just press return :ok:

A very nice game!

But why the blacksmith tell me that there are no invetions to be made, if they've already invented think like blade, sword, armour, ladder and so on?

Had someone managed to make working that lazy blacksmith at the workshop? :ranting:

@ Kon-Tiki: Thanks! :Brain:
@ Quintopotere: The blacksmith does not actually make any swords. If your trying to raise an army then you'll have to build the Tower. Once inside of it you'll be able to create an army.

As for some of the other things which you invent. Not all of them are actually manufactured. Like the lightning rod for instance. Once you invent it, it is considered to be automaticly used in all of your buildings.

Well, thanks... but, so, the blacksmith it's unuseful enough...

The blacksmith's very useful, once you got enough technologically advances. You're able to make cannons there, wagons (for boosted income), ships and balloons (great for bombarding the enemy)

Err.. I see no "Get it" button, only a Buy it preceding the review :blink:
Has the ESA-police struck again?

Yup :(

Yes, it seems that they are still selling this game in a compilation... so, it's not an abandonware...

goood thing i downloaded it before that. :sneaky:
anyways,thanks for your hints Mambaru,they helped my pathetic little village survive longer.I still cant get any more people no matter what I do and running growing village with 3 or 4 people isnt possible

In order to get a higher population you need a running economy. There are three things you have to watch out for:

1. You need enough food. One farmer should be enough to feed about three villagers in the beginning. Fertility of the land and the moral of your farmer have some influence on this. To raise the fertility of the land you have to donate some money at the church or develop fertilizers. Donating money will also raise the moral of your people by the way. Also your farmer could along with some other villagers get the sniffles every spring which would further reduce his output.
2. You need enough water. If necessary just build a new well but watch out for the water reserves of the land in your balance sheet. If those are low the ecology is supposed to suffer. However, I have never seen the bar drop until now.
3. You need a house for every new villager. Unless you ordered your architect to construct a specific building he will build new houses by himself as long as there are enough resources in your warehouse.

Generally:
Just look in your warehouse or balance sheet. If water is going down continually you need a new well (or several). Same goes for food. If that´s both alright you just lack new houses. Once you have developed in the scientific field your architect will start to build be better houses (holding more people) but I have yet to get past normal houses. In normal houses people can found families which is not possible in cabins or huts. Families do not seen to make much of a difference though since new settlers will come to your land anyways. A possible advantage might be that a settler who comes from a local family is just 17 years old while those from other lands are mostly 30 and above.

:ot: I've found out why the button "Download it" disappeared (read the link to reloaded). Umm... One question I have: Is it so.... Oh, well, nevermind.

I just don't quite understand the logics and values of you western guys:)

hmmm..values like being legal as much as possible?
Anyways,i've seen MANY "eastern" sites that dont worr about stuff like that..maybe you should check them

about the no download since we already discovered that genesia and ultimate domain are two different virsions maybe genesia is abandoned and ultimate domain isn't. just a thought.

I had the CD version of this game and it had an advantage. The shop and the warehouse were the same when you went inside but the other buildings had a 3D animation instead of the overhead look .

hmmm..values like being legal as much as possible?
Anyways,i've seen MANY "eastern" sites that dont worr about stuff like that..maybe you should check them [/b][/quote]
Like being ABSURDLY legal...

C'mon, d'you really think they are still selling Genesia in any meaningful amount, huh?

I'm in no way promoting piracy or something but I still think there should be certain common sense.

Anyways, HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE! :cheers:

if it is being sold it is being sold doesn't matter in what amount.

Like being ABSURDLY legal...

C'mon, d'you really think they are still selling Genesia in any meaningful amount, huh?

I'm in no way promoting piracy or something but I still think there should be certain common sense.

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Dont take me bad,but the company who OWNS rights for the game decided to sell it,you cant just say "Lets steal it because it cant sell good" Thats nonsense

your totaly right toxik

what to do when im out of trees?

Dont take me bad,but the company who OWNS rights for the game decided to sell it,you cant just say "Lets steal it because it cant sell good" Thats nonsense [/b][/quote]
I would argue with you A LOT on this point, but I feel this forum isn't really a good place for that kind of discussions. Let's just say that your linear "capitalistic ownership and rights holding" approach is neither always economically sound nor socially acceptable. If u wanna proof u may always adress me at fromasat3@mail. ru. Having two higher educations in social science and economics, I feel I could provide you with a point or two :max:

Guys, sorry for starting all this

Im realy sorry to continue,but i must agree with you in the thing that you would probably win the argument,because im uneducated 15-years old non-english speaker :max:
But at least currently wee have linear capitalistic ownership and rights holding laws and breaking them is still considered a crime.

and to keep this post from being absolutely :ot: ...
Unnamed guest,to get more wood you need to assing woodcutters(from the very start)and after they cut down some logs,you should make them carpenters

Well, the designers of the game actually sold their intellectual rights to the distributors and without this capitalistic passage we would not even know that game...

Anyway, This is not the right topic to talk about those things ;)

Trees regrow naturally as long as there are a few left on your land (and enough space). Even one tree would be enough to regrow a forest but this would take ages.

I think it should also work to load a wagon with all the wood that´s left and wait for a while. Then load it again, etc.. Some resources seem replenish automatically if you are out of stock. Once you have 10 units again this will stop though. So just keep loading it into a wagon. This should work but I haven´t tested it.

By the way, I was wrong about the houses. Seems your villagers will build better houses once you reach a certain population. Houses, Farms and Inns will hold 2 people and look better.

hahahaha

You took down this game for download, how pathetic can you get :Brain:

I'm scared... right after I downloaded this game, it got taken down. Maybe I have some evil effect on things :omg:

when i try to start the game it just freezes :( please help
im using vdm sound btw

I think that you should use DosBox and the game will run fine!

thankyou dude il try that now
just wondering if there is sound with dos box

Yes LightSol there is sound when you use Dosbox.

Hi everyone !

Nice to see its not just me who plays Genesia !


Ultimate domain and Genesia are the same game, dont worry about it. Theres no extra rooms in buildings. just different graphics. I have Genesia for the Amiga and Ultimate for the PC and to be honest i think the Amiga AI is better ! Me and my mate still play Genesia on hotseat and we have some evil strategies if anyone wants... but from the questions asked..

1, Trees will grow back yes but only if the water table is high enough. Once fertilizer is invented your farms will really suck the water out of your land so be careful. Conserve your trees by having no more than two woodcutters feeding two carpenters.. i know Eddie and Karnac have 15 going at once but they CHEAT !
Only farm in autumm... thats when the food is available. In summer pick the two highest moral people and tuck them up in farming for the autumn. Bribe the church in summer to get your farmers to moral 7. When the monk says "god will reward you" you have had an impact !

2, Population expansion. This needs to be handled carefully. You start with four people. dont build anymore houses until you have a temple, a drill, and at least 30+ food and water. once you have that, keep giving the church 50 gold to make everyone morale 7 then detail one guy only as a housebuilder.. keep him very happy and he will build bungalows, houses, small farms and eventually Inns.
I know.. Koriad Blues are probably buzzing you with a soldier or at most a slingshot archer.. just surround your flag with wells until you have more people.. then build barracks and own him !

A tip for winter.. when you have a workshop, EVERYONE must go into research. Sit out the whole turn and when a workshop announces an invention, set them up with another one and you might just have it before the winter ends.. then quickly arrange your spring work.. remember.. no farmers until autumn !

Enjoy the game :)

I tried this game for a few hours last week, and while it seems nice enough, it could do with some serious remaking. It's interesting and has some nice mechanics, but the interface is a pain! Specially the time limit thing, that hinders the gameplay a lot, specially after you conquer your 2nd or 3rd map square -- that's when I gave it up. Once your domain get a bit larger (and I reckon 3 squares is only initial growth enroute to domination), it's simply impossible to manage both military and domestic affairs (i.e. maneuvering troops and recruiting, and setting buildings and selling goods).

I don't mean souped up 3D graphics and whatnots, just a bit of "the same, but improved". I know it's wishful thinking, but wouldn't it be a blast if a remake of this game showed up on AR? ;)

A remake would be a great thing!

Good points !

I would never have more than three large cities- the rest of the lands would just be annexed for my trans-genesia highway. maybe Some garrison towns with no industry whatsoever..useful for maintaining an army without recruiting from your industry cities.

I would love a remake-- limitless turns like civ for one. Take the techs right up to the modern age for seconds... Tank, plane, warship...

I wonder if CPU-Cycles make a difference in means of ammount of time you have to spend for one round. Also in some Menues (e.g. where you inspect the storage of water, food and so on) I have difficulties to switch to the 2nd page. Also here CPU-Cycles semm to have an effect.

So, what number of CPU-Cycles do you suggest? At the moment I think, I should use at least 5000.

I have never played around with the cycles to be honest, so i dont know know if that would help - i do know time should not move when you are in the status screen and page 2 is accessed by single clicking gently on white section of the green triangle in the top left - it is a bit iffy though,if you click too hard, you go back to page 1. Try not to let it annoy you though, the only info you need is on page 1 and its the water table, for checking resources i look in the warehouse and for moral i look in the flag.

The game turn is small no matter where you play it, Dosbox or Amiga and does seem like a rush job at first, but you will work out a good routine. Build all crucial buildings near the flag so when you zoom to that land on the map, you can quickly dive in and change your research, bribe the church or look at your goods.

Agree on that. I play it for the 1st time for me, but I already realized that it's obviously better to concentrate the builings around the flag for time-saving purposes (not as mentioned in the manual which suggests e.g. to build the church on a hill).

I also found out that the game runs very smoothly at 10.000 cycles. Only the mentioned 2nd statistic page is to be reached MUCH better as 3.000 cycles. So I installed the game through D-Fend at 10.000 cl and 7.000 up/down-switch with the short-cuts (ctrl-F11 and ctrl-F12).

Seems to be a very interesting game. Think I even like it more than popolous. It deserves a 5 from me :)

PS: The turn time window seems to be programmed in real time. So it should not make any difference at which cycles you run it.

D-fend eh ... (googles it) Will get that as plain dosbox genesia suffers a little choppiness.

Genesia is better than poplous.. way way better :)

I have an original copy of Ulitmate Domain, but everytime I try to install it on my desktop computer, it says "invalid hard disk". It works fine on all laptops that I've tried but not on desktop computers. Can someone post me the detailed instructions on how to install the game or a link to the instructions?

thanks

I just tried to download Genesia, but there is no "get it" button

Is it just me again?

I'm getting paranoid :blink:

No, you're right, it says 'Buy it'.

What about a major reboot, kajjj?

no, there is nothing there, but I see you're point

I'll have to think about it

Heya Does anybody know how exactly to Make Ultimate Domain/Genesia Work in the DOSbox, i have tried just about everything. still having problems :) i am using the Original CD to install from. i have 2 originals. i have tried both of them.
when i try to install to the C drive it will not let me., i have used
Mount c c:\dosprog & Mount d d:\ -t cdrom
but i still cannot get it to work.
Any help :help:

I tried reporting this problem on Reloaded, but kinda got mobbed by its admins. You can always try asking again, but if me asking it won't work, you asking it shouldn't work either.

Here's a silly suggestion... Install it through windows and then just try to play it through DOSBox (helped me with a game or two I couldn't install with DOSBox).

Hey! I was wondering could you get genesia for free!? like most of all your other games, cause im only 14 but I use to play genesia on my amiga :D so can you get it for free?

Nope. You can only buy it

:unsure: I have the original CD, trying to install and get the reply "Not enough EMS memory"
Help anyone?

Are you using DosBox? I'd risk a guess you don't.

Hey guys I need some help

I'm trying to install Ultimate Domain from a CD, and I get the 'not a valid hard disk drive' message. Can anyone help me?

What OS are you using? Did you think of using DosBox?

Hey everyone,
I recently found my old Ultimate Domain cd and wanted to play because the game is awesome and I have many old memories of it. I couldn't install it in Windows, DOSBox, or DOSBox using D-Fend, and was wondering if any of you could help me out at all? DOSBox keeps saying that the cd isn't found (even though it's in the computer and mounted). It's kind of frustrating, as I have the real game and yet still can't play it. Thanks for your help!

If it doesn't recognize the CD in DosBox, try using low-level support. Explained here.

An alternative method of getting around the problem is creatin an ISO (or BIN/CUE) image to mount in DosBox using IMGMOUNT command. This tends to alleviate any and all CD recognition issues.

What exactly are the differences between the various Genesia/Ultimate Domain versions? I have two, the one from the screenshots in the game page, and a hi-res (640x480?) version which is exactly the same apart from the better graphics. Both are named Genesia and are (AFAIK) floppy versions.

Hey, so I am using Dosbox and I am trying to play this game. I am running xp. I have tried the following

mount d d:\ -t cdrom -label DOMAIN -usecd 0 -ioctl
mount c c:\domain

I then try to play the game with the cd it says there isnt a cd

I tried creating an iso of the cd and mounted it
it still said it could not find the cd :-(

any advice?

Mount the CD and mount an empty directory as the C drive. Then run the game's installer from the CD (typical names are INSTALL and SETUP).

Ok so I went through the whole routine and installed DOSbox and all that. I got my CD mounted and installed Ultimate Domain from the original disks. It recognized it fine then. Well when I go to type in genesia.bat it comes up with an error that says "CD-ROM disk missing or CD-ROM drive not ready" Does anyone have any ideas about this error. Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks

Seems like you need to fiddle with low-level CD support. Here you can read how to do this

I am also having the problem with the "not a valid hard disk drive" error popup. I am running XP. I have DOSBox, but dont know how to use it. Could somebody please help. I have the original CD for Ultimate Domain, if that helps any.

For the cdrom problem, Use DOSBox 0.65 or 71 (and newer). Not 0.70

Ok, I set up dosbox and went to install the game. Whenever I try to pick a location to install it it says, "That is not a valid Hard Disk Drive. Please choose another Hard Disk and path." I have C:\ mounted for my HDD and I have an empty file named C:\vidjagames. I have tried these two and the one that the game gives you as a default. Please Help!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Guest @ Jul 19 2007, 03:39 AM) [snapback]300123[/snapback]</div>First: DOS and DOSBox have problems with file/folder names longer than 8 characters. Try a shorter name. If that doesn't help, please post the path of your hdd folder in Windows, and your mount command.

or type vidjag~1 instead of vidjagames (6 letters)

I also get the message, "That is not a valid Hard Disk Drive. Please choose another Hard Disk and path." My path is 'newgames' folder(8 characters) My mounted drive is C, same as I am attempting the install of Genesia CD content into.

Anyways, I played and overcame my enemies in this one back when I purchased the game for windows95 OS. It worked well in that OS.

I won it without ever getting to finish out the techno tree and am still wishing I could play it to its fullest. Bombing enemies from hot air balloons was a hoot!

Can't download Ultimate Domain.
 

Hi guys,

Finally i saw this great game that still available. Thanks.

But im having problem to download it, there's no download icon.

Anyone can help? Thanks.

Its not downloadable ... maybe it will be in the future.
More info:
http://www.abandonia.com/en/faq

The graphics I remember were different in the original game. Particularly, your villagers pictures if you clicked on them or their house. I remember them being less... cartoony? It's really an insanely minor difference but I couldn't help but notice. :whistling: :)

Hi everyone,
Im a bit of a novice, but I followed the official abandonia dosbox guide. So I believe I set everything up right. The problem is that when I try to run the "INST" file (that what it's called for whatever reason) I get this message: "Current mounted drives are:" and then it lists the three drives. How do I fix this?
Thanks!

You don't have to install the game, just start it by running GENESIA.EXE

Manual Found! Here:
http://85.183.4.50/1569.pdf
http://85.183.4.50/1569.pdf

This game is really awesome except for AI. I beat the game and I'm looking for challenging maps. Is there extra maps or a map editor? (official or home-made)

Here is a link to a map editor: http://www.sendspace.com/file/ysc708

The link above died. You'll find the map editor at:
http://rpgmaker.net/users/Irog/locke...omainWorld.zip

Help with download!
 

I get to screen with game on it but I cant find a download button. I clicked on dosbox link but it said I was not authorized

Click on "get it" to download the game.
http://www.abandonia.com/themes/abandonia/get-it.png