[Tom Henrik]

I have said this before, and I'm gonna say it again...

Men have nothing to say in the matter of childbirth and abortion. We have no way of picturing the emotional strain the girl is experiencing. One half of you are trying to portrait the woman as a habitual killer, and the other half is trying to portrait her as a victim.

Is it so difficult for you guys to actually admit that abortion has both positive and negative effects? As with all things that can have several impacts, you need to weight the differences up against each other. Every potential mom comes from a different background, carries a different mental baggage, have different income (if any), and live in different situations. Then you have the fact that every conception happens differently. Add in all the medical problems, like bleeder sickness, small hips, blood poisoning, drinking and drug use in the 9 months leading to the birth (which often is not caused by LSD, pot and such drugs, but medicine given by the doctor)... and you have an unlimited different scenarios.

In some cases an abortion is the only way the mother will survive, but the mother has the final vote. If she wants to have the baby, no-one will stop her.

Sometimes the girl was raped, and who the hell are we to say that she must give birth to the baby? It's is her choice. Personally, if I was a girl, I wouldn't carry a rapist's child inside of me for 9 months. The weight of a growing baby, has severe implications. The back will hunch, and many women can't stand upright after carrying a child up to birth. It also greatly cripples you physically. You don't have the energy needed to go through the day as usual. Many women also feels ugly during this time, and are afraid of even leaving the house. All this builds up the stress levels enormously, and if you think such a girl will not scream out at her stomach and call the little child in there a bastard, then you are in for a surprise. In order for a baby to be healthy both physically and mentally, it needs the love of its mom during its time in development. A raped woman is rarely capable of loving the offspring of the rape. Then you are faced with the possibility of having to cut open you stomach in order to give birth. What started as a rape (which is gruesome enough in itself) will turn into 9 months of a tormenting hell for both the mother and the child, and the mother (and child) will have medical problems after the birth. I don't think any woman would want that, but... people are different. Some might want to go through with it. I wouldn't. I would've found a stick or a needle and tried to perform an abortion on myself (if abortions were illegal). And self-abortions are a huge problem. It happens everywhere where abortions are illegal, and it often results in the woman bleeding to death. Point is... The woman should decide.

And what about incest? If the father rapes his daughter, and she gets pregnant, what should be done? The father should be sent to jail, and the girl should be given the choice to decide for herself. If she chooses to have the baby, then she should be informed about the complications with inbreeding and so on, but... it should still be her choice.

If a mother is in a difficult situation, and knows that she has no way to buy food and provide shelter for a baby, again... it is her choice whether she wants abortion or not.

And the same goes for adoption. If the mother wants to go through with a birth, because she believes having an abortion is the same as murder, then adoption should be offered as an alternative solution if she don't want the baby, but... she decides.

Those are just the guidelines, but every situation is different. Sometimes it will actually be necessary to perform an abortion or adoption agains the mothers will, but... No-one should ever force a woman to go through with GIVING birth, if the woman doesn't want to!

Childbirth and abortion is a woman's world. All men should just bugger off and mind their own business. We have no saying in the matter.

Has any of you guys noticed that the women has abandoned this topic, while the men still argue about things they know nothing about? Think a little about that...