@ Lonely Vazdru: Who would've thtought we actually agreed on some things?
@ tai:
My point exactly... it's always easy tp point the finger towards prostitution and such without considering WHY it even exists... and that reason is most certainly not "because they can't keep their legs together"...
@ Sebatianos:
I know we had this discussion already (I even still have those PMs
), but you're mixing up a few things here, I guess. Especially regarding the influence of sexual frustration and the definition of sexual frustration itself.
The kind of sexual frustration we (I take the liberty of speaking for at least Vazdru and me here) mean is not the kind of "Oh my god, I never had sex with two women like the media tells me everyone had"-frustration, but more profound and more simple: The simple frustration rising from the OPRESSION of ones own sexuality. This opression might be due to an opressive surrounding (society, family etc.), religious aspects (which also blends into society etc. of course), other aspects of "moral values" etc. The frustration arising from that is not really even IDENTIFIED as being sexually related by the "victim", but most of the time the pent-up aggression that rises through it (a simple hormone-induced phenomenon) seeks its release. One way or the other. And mostly its violent. It can result in rape, violence against others, even murder. And that's were I also agree with Vazdru. I also believe that a LARGE part of the atrocities in human history have happened because of this kind of sexual frustration. Even more in those times when sexuality WASN'T actually condoned much in our western societies.
Without wanting to insult any catholics and other christians, but I even dare to say that a huge ammount of the violent excesses that happened during the middle ages (crusades, the Inquisition etc.) up to the 18th century (which trials) are results of the opressive stance of most christian churches towards sexuality, especially and even more so the female one (of course this also happens in other religions like Islam and Judaism). The frustration pent up through the supression of simple sexual needs (which were always there since the beginning of mankind, we have not BECOME like this. It just moved back a little more into public awareness) simply found another ventile. And that's the sad way it often goes. In fact, this simple mechanism is still used until today. Think of boxers that don't get to have sex for some time before a fight to build up their aggresion etc. That's not because they're so screwed up by the media that they can't go without anymore, but those are simple and profound instincts. Mankind (and especially men) has always been like that. It's just now that we are allowed to talk about it and live it more openly. I can't see why this is a bad thing.
BTW, some of the "greatest thinkers" indeed had a very satisfied sex-life.
Einstein had several wives and affairs. Schiller and Goethe were notorious for their lifestyle. Martin Luther recommended to have sex at least twice a week. And so on.
EDIT: Well, reading about your home-country... don't you agree that the problem lies more in its society than in the general concept of abortion then? Honestly, I think what you are describing is far away from the happenings in almost any other european and/or american country (so not to use the term "western world"), in a sense that it is much more extrem. But the point is: It's not abortion that's to blame for it, and prohibiting it would in no way reduce the mess, but make it even bigger.