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Originally posted by Puffin+Jun 30 2005, 11:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Puffin @ Jun 30 2005, 11:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

There's this priest I know. His name is Bjarni. He is a priest for the National Church, which is Lutherian. He supports gay people. His cousin is a theologist.He also supports gay people. There are many people amongst the church that do so.
You see, people CAN believe in the bible, without believing everything that says there. In my honest opinion, people that believe every single word are fukced up. They don't understand or see reality as it is. [/b]

But that's not every Christian church. Just the self-righteous ones.

I used to be pentacostal. They hate gay people. I remember few years ago, I was listening to a speach there, then homosexuality was much in the news and other media, because of some war over rights. I remember listening to that person going on and on about how God hated this people and they would all die and rot in hell. That's when I walked out and never came back. I still know people who are pentacostal, my aunt for example. It makes me sick listening to her screwed up opinions, sour through by the brainwashing of her group.
How can God forgive everything, yet hate homosexuals?

Originally posted by Puffin+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Puffin)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>And about Roman-catholic church: They don't always know what's right. Admit it. They do have some ideas that are REALLY out-dated and will never work out.[/b]

Like what, marrying priests? Yeah right. Consider how much money the Catholic Church invests in caring for sick and retired priests, and then consider how much they would have to invest once all those priests start getting married and having kids.

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Homosexuality was a natural thing years ago, you know! In ancient Greece, for example. I'm really tired right now, so I hope you forgive me if I'm not stating correctly, but I believe it was Alexander who ordered all his soldiers to shave their legs. And he was, most probably, gay. Yet he was a great ruler, and his sexuality was never a biggie.[/quote]

And they probably practiced anal sex, too, which can't be any good. Ever see some of those pictograms? Yeesh.

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Do you know where the word "lesbian" comes from?
There was/is an island near Greece, called Lesbos. It had a boarding school for girls on it. You can probably guess the rest.[/quote]

Yeah, how noble: a boarding school for girls who liked to pet each other. Women want to marry each other to do that? There's more to life than mutual masturbation, people.

Originally posted by Puffin
@Triton: Show me a link to an article about homosexuality being a mental disorder, and I might believe you.

Why should I? If I need some degree or some reputed doctor's opinion to tell you that I think homosexuality is a mental disorder and why I think it's a mental disorder, then I should expect you to have the same proof for your natural homosexuality opinion. Then again, any work from that point of view would probably be the result of some homosexual person who doesn't know what life is like being a heterosexual because all they know is their preference for the same sex; meanwhile, pedofiles are considered mentally deranged because they love children instead of adults, but their love isn't considered natural love. If homosexuality is normal, then so is pedofilia. And if homosexuals can marry or do things in private, then pedofiles can marry children or do things in private if they convince their beloved to love them.

[JudgeDeadd]

Oh no. Oh no. Next time, they will allow zoophiles marry their favourite animals.

My god! Homosexuals are deviated - they don't want to admit it!

[TheVoid]

Originally posted by Triton@Jul 1 2005, 04:38 AM
Then again, any work from that point of view would probably be the result of some homosexual person who doesn't know what life is like being a heterosexual because all they know is their preference for the same sex; meanwhile, pedofiles are considered mentally deranged because they love children instead of adults, but their love isn't considered natural love. If homosexuality is normal, then so is pedofilia. And if homosexuals can marry or do things in private, then pedofiles can marry children or do things in private if they convince their beloved to love them.

There's quite a difference between homosexuality and pedophilia. Homosexuality is between two people mutually loving themselves, and therefore having a fair relationship with consent. Pedophilia relates a grown-up adult to a child, who is undoubtedly weaker and less conscious of what he's doing: the relationship in this case would be one of submission since the child would either fear the adult or love him in a child way, that is, non-sexual; certainly not the same way as two adults relate to each other.

[BeefontheBone]

Puffin - that origin for the word Lesbian is a myth I'm afraid, as far as I know the name of the island is coincidence.

I'm overjoyed that gay marriage has been legalised in another country, particularly one with a strong Catholic establishment like Spain, but I'm astounded by what I've read in here (perhaps I ought not to be surprised at certain member's opinions, though) - 2 or 3 people have spent 4 pages arguing over whether homosexuality is a physical or a mental disorder without ANYONE pointing out to them that IT'S NOT A DISORDER AT ALL! - what the hell is wrong with consenting sex between 2 adults? How can anyone possibly be against that in this day and age? How can you compare that to paedophilia? It sickens me.

As for the adoption thing, last night's Wife Swap USA featured an incredibly homophobic woman swapping with one half of a lesbian couple, and her kids were a lot more messed up that their daughter who was lovely and well-rounded - I know who I'd rather have had as parents! The best environment for a child is a loving parent or parents regardless of their gender - disrupting that just because they're homosexual is a gross infringement of their rights and would be bad for the child - comparing that to segregation and restriction of racial minorities and mixed race couples is entirely valid, and that's not something anyone (in their right mind) would suggest today - why do it with homosexuals?

[Reup]

Originally posted by Triton@Jul 1 2005, 04:10 AM
What organ in the body perceives love?

@Triton That's a rather philsophical question. I don't think there is one. Love is a complex emotion that has to do with hormones, pheromones and a lot of other aspects... They used to think you loved with your heart...

Btw, I must admit you do seem to think that the only reason to marry is to have sex afterwards... that's not quite a good reason to marry imho, buddy!

Anyway, I really want to congratulate the Spanish government with their decision. They've made a great statement about equal rights and this is a leap forward for the Spanish gay community!

[omg]

Originally posted by Triton@Jul 1 2005, 02:25 AM
Homosexuality is not a conscious choice, and if it is, it could be considered a perversion.

are we in the bloody 21st century? you are spouting the kind of rhetoric doctors used to spout to get gays locked up in the 19th century.
thing is i have already anersed what you are asking but you clearly havnt regestered it, i am not going to just keep repeating myself ad infinitum becuse you are clearly a lost cause. calling all gay people perverts is not good, and in a modern society should not be allowed, as medical science has long ago accepted that the vast majority of homosexuals have no choice. there was a time in the 19th century when you could call gay people perverts, and call black people inferior, but we do not live in those times. wake up, smell the coffe.

yo beef. i have just been using there language against them. it has been proven that a certain proportion of homosexuals and transexuals actually have different brains (female brain shapes in male bodies) i was just trying to get this point across to the fundies. i dont think of it as a disorder, but technically it can be defined as a condition. i am interested in it becuse a: my uncle is totally gay, ie: never even able to kiss a girl without feeling ill, and some of my freinds from the school days and clubbing days are as well. also we covered it for a while in phsycholigy, but that was a long time ago so i dont have all the language about it. the best electro and hard house has come to us from gay clubs. gay writers and scientist have contributed a vast amount to our culture. so this calling gay people perverts and saying they suffer from a disorder has riled me. is why i have been bothering to try and use there language against them... *sigh* prolly a waste of effort, i dunno, but had to try.

[Quintopotere]

I can't understand where is the problem... legal marriage is only a legal contract between two adults... it's a tax, property and rights problem, nothing that involve love...

The problem could be adoption cause this will bring to the formation of a new kind of familyes and new problems that maybe now we can't imagine...

[Stroggy]

Originally posted by omg@Jul 1 2005, 11:39 AM
you are spouting the kind of rhetoric doctors used to spout to get gays locked up in the 19th century.

Actually that would be the 20th century, they even locked Alan Turing (the guy that deciphered the Enigma Code) up in an asylum for being a homosexual, altough that could ahve been a conspiracy theory aswell. Anyway, he killed himself by poisoning an apple and eating it... or so the story goes.

[Iron_Scarecrow]

Why didn't he just drink the poison?

Waste of a good apple if you ask me.

[Stroggy]

Originally posted by Iron_Scarecrow@Jul 1 2005, 12:51 PM

Waste of a good apple if you ask me.

Drama?

Anyway now they think it may have been an accident.