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[Eagle of Fire]

I'm not mixing Kosta with my own oppinion. Fact is that it's Kosta who's running the place. Everything the admins or mods do, it's on his name. It's then Kosta job to decide of those admins/mods are still worthy of having the official flag pinned on their back when they do obvious mistakes.

I just don't understand how you guys dare to question the veridicity of my previous statement. If you want the truth, then re-read my last post. Everything from a to z is the truth in what I said. I personally experimented it myself. With who do you think Sebastanios had the netcitizen argument? I was part of them.

Of course, normal people can't know about this because it was behind closed doors (mod private forum), but the truth is always what is asked by people who don't understand what really happened back then. And sadly, is hardly ever accepted as the "real" thruth either when they finnaly hear it. I never talked about it in the past few threads which mimiked this one because I was a MOD myself then... But today, I'm not. Not anymore. I've quit modding because I felt I contributed enough to this site already and that I needed a break. And if you want another piece of truth, that incident with Sebastianos was one of my strong bad points on my checklist when I took my decision. So now that I'm a normal member, I'm free as a bird to voice my oppinion just like any other member, until a mod or admin come close this thread up... Because frankly, do you even expect it to happen any other way? "Been there, done that", we seen this kind of thread countless times around here.

I really don't understand why you would even be mentioning Anubis. He have absolutly nothing to do whatsoever with the question of "should we allow Sebastianos to post back in the normal forums". You want a new tutorial for DOSBox 0.70? Why don't you do it yourself then? Personally, the last version I installed on my computer is 0.63 and I have no problems whatsoever with that. DOSBox don't change enough inbetween versions to warrant a new tutorial every .02 upgrades.

You are also not the only one who can quote Kosta without meaning or adding to the conversation. I can too, look:

Aware of the fact that Abandonia Forums have lost some contributing members due to certain conflicts, we have created a new »dissident« group and forum. The rules are as follows:

1. The posting rights of dissident group members are be determined on an individual basis by the site owner. Those not allowed to post in the main Abandonia forums are confined to the dissident forum only. Those that have not broken any rules on the main forum will be allowed to post in both if their membership is accepted. Dissident member applications are detailed in paragraph 4
2. The Dissident Forum is be visible only to the dissident and owner group, and hidden from admin group
3. Only the members of the dissident group are allowed to post in the Dissident Forum
4. You may become a member of the dissident forum if:
* you contribute to the site actively, but don't like the way things are run on the main forum or wish to be in contact with members confined to the dissident forum only, or are suggested by the administrators of the Abandonia Forums that you should, because of not upholding the netiquette, switch over to the Dissident Forum
* you send a PM to Kosta, the site owner, and explain why you would like access to the forum, with examples of how you satisfy the requirements from first point of this paragraph
5. If you are a member of the dissident group, but not confined to the dissident forum, you may NOT under any circumstances post in the main forum anything related to members of dissident group or posts in the dissident forum. You may also not relay any kind of messages from the dissident members to the main forum. Doing this will be considered a major breach of rules and you will immediately be confined to the dissident forum only for an indefinite period of time.
6. The Dissident forum has one moderator, who is a part of the dissident group. This function is to be preformed for the period of three months, after which the moderator would be replaced by the next member of the dissident group – in the alphabetical order.
7. Actions in the Dissident forum by non-dissident group members are be taken only if a post was reported by a member of the dissident group – and they should clearly state their reasons for taking the action.
8. In the event of a longer inactivity without reason, the members of the dissident group can make a decision to exclude the member from their group

Also, please note that this topic and/or its contents are not up for discussion or debate. If you have any questions, send me a PM.[/b]

Source.

Bruno G: please write in a decent format and I might summon the courage to actually read what you have posted in that long, unformated paragraph. You know, those dots which end sentences? They are called coma...

And to end my post:

And what I'm wondering, would YOU continue to contribute to the site if you were banned [/b]

No. I'm not hypocrite enough to do that. Sorry.

[Dino]

I'm all for allowing Sebatianos to post in public forum.

However, only under condition that there shouldn't be any more arguements and discussions about conflicts between Seb and some admins/mods. Because, quite frankly, I'm sick of all those threads. It's just pointless.

@Eagle of Fire: Oh, and about "netizen concept". Informing people about it doesn't mean one has to comply and agree with it. No matter how simple it may seem to you. I personally find it ridiculous. Sebatianos may have overreacted on that one, but everyone blows a fuse now and then. So do you.

[Geezer]

I don't know what a dissident is ... but if they are here do I need to adjust my Norton settings?

[TheChosen]

Absolutely. That is, if he wants to.

[Lulu_Jane]

I love the fact that this gets brought up every few months to no avail.

Incidentally Geezer, that's the funniest post I've read in a long time

[Icewolf]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Lulu_Jane @ Mar 8 2007, 11:26 AM) [snapback]282450[/snapback]</div>

I love the fact that this gets brought up every few months to no avail.[/b]

Plus anyone in the discussion always gets upset or angry.

[_r.u.s.s.]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE

And what I'm wondering, would YOU continue to contribute to the site if you were banned [/b]

No. I'm not hypocrite enough to do that. Sorry.
[/b][/quote]
depends on Why did they ban you, right..

[gregor]

Yes, he should (if he wants to).

Is Anubis also in disidents group? I remember he also contributed a lot back then...

[The Fifth Horseman]

Absolutely... NOT.
We had this discussion before - more than once, if I remember - and I don't see why we should dispute the point all over again.

Seb had been a good person, yes. For a while. Then he got into an argument with the high command, which ended in his account being suspended until Kosta could come around to decide on the course of action. So he used his Santa Clause account to get around it, and when that was suspended as well he tried creating a third one (which was stopped by one of the admins, not quite sure which one). And then after becoming a Dissident he did circumvent his restrictions in yet another way.

If Sebatianos is let back on the forum, is everybody who wanted him back willing to take complete responsibility for any and all consequences? I seriously doubt that to be the case.

Is Anubis also in disidents group? I remember he also contributed a lot back then...[/b]

He is, he did. If I remember what happened, there was an incident of very - VERY - heavy flaming on his part towards some of the mods/admins. Letting him back in here is hardly logical.

And if anyone wants to argue the line "he did so many updates/stuff, he can't be so bad"... I've got two words for you:
REMEMBER TIKI?

And what I'm expecting of you (EoF) is to write accurate guidance for DODBox 0.70, because You are a most zelaous to ban Anubis who made guidance for DOSBox 0.65.
We really need a new one.[/b]

Eagle doesn't have to. One is already underway...

[Romano]

After first day the result is as follow:

For: Romano, Tulac, Bruno G, Havell, r.u.s.s., DonCorleone, Tito, Dino, TheChoosen, gregor = 10
Against: Eagle of Fire, the_fifth_horseman = 2

I will update it tomorrow evening again.

*edit*

I forgott to count myself
The result is 10:2