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[Rogue]

I did, and as I said already these two words do not mix well. Mostly as if you really follow religion, then you don't have enough space for 'open minded' thinking.

Just try to explain how and when life on earth started (from religion and from science point of view) and you'll see that it's a bad combination.

That some scientist believed in religion, that’s another story. (At some point what difference is to believe in folks tales or in Holly book?)

[Stroggy]

Originally posted by Anubis@Nov 29 2004, 06:01 PM

That some scientist believed in religion, that’s another story. (At some point what difference is to believe in folks tales or in Holly book?)

So you're saying that its not bad to believe in a religion and be a scientist at the same time.
You're just saying the existence of religion in itself hinders science...

and "albert", (or 'some scientist' as you so gracefully name him) wasn't open minded you say.

Lets me try and go over your reasoning once more.

if you really follow religion, then you don't have enough space for 'open minded' thinking.

If you believe in a religion, you aren't open minded

some scientist believed in religion

Einstein believed in religion.

Ergo Einstein wasn't an open minded thinker.

You're a fruit

[Schabernakel-anbeter]

I just interpretate one part of the bible:
Dont make yourself a picture of god.

I think it does not mean, not to imagine god like a guy or energyball

like i said God is everything, right
so unce uppon a time a small part of materie began to swing
and enlarge to a really big size (universe) from out the nothing

thats my believe of how everything becomes beeing

So i think you know, that everything on this world is made
out of atoms(anything your eye see is fake!)
and they are all turning all the time
so who do you think turns all this atoms?
some would call it the big magnet, but i think god is a better word
even if you look how an atom is built you see negativ parts(evil?),
positiv parts(good?) and neutral parts (God?)

if you know that any atom is turned by someone
you should have an example for the power of this someone.
and you should better not mess with this guy

Another thing you should know is, that it is not
possible to keep everything existing if you disturb the equlibrium
so if there is more good than evil everything (not the everything) will collapse
A nuclear bomb workes someway like this.
for example in life:
if we were all evil, we would kill anyone an destruct everything
if we were all good, we would cheer and dance us to destruction
anyway what an idea to invent good and evil :wub:

ehm yes, back to the picture thing:
if you make yourself a picture of God
you try to achieve some of his(her) power
which makes the people feel to mighty what they really arent
and this is exactly what science does

@ anubis
i guess the world must look like a banana k:
but I dont have enough proof for it yet

bye :bye: bye

[Schabernakel-anbeter]

sth more:
Any child can make the best scientist speechless
with i thing 5-10 questions

bye :bye: bye

[Rogue]

Stroggy,
Some religion, as I was though in beginning starts like this:

'You can't believe in anything else, only in this!'

And by that every thought 'out of religion' is another sin.

Unfortunately it's still that way, and if it's for religion fanatics, we still should the same way people lived long time ago. (check Taliban extremism in Afghanistan, some Amish communities here in USA, etc...)

Today there is a big debate over tissue engineering. What do you think about it, and are religions for or against it?

[Stroggy]

you're not getting off of this one that easily, my friend.

Once again your gracefully stepped around the points I pointed out.

Now you try to justify yourself by diving into extremes.
I've already answered that, compare the Taliban regime and the Ayatollahs to the church during the dark age. You'll see I already answered it back then.
Science can not evolve if religion is on top, but it can if religion and science coexist: one next to the other (horisontalism)

About stemcellresearch (I believe thats what you imply with tissue engineering)
That is a difficult point because it delves into not only religious issues but also moral issues. What with the embryos and all.

Luckily German scientists discovered these stemcells can also be extracted from ones own bonemarrow! Last I heard was that, in light of this latest discovery, president Bush is concidering restarting the stemcell research. But then the elections started and all kinds of major political events happened... the entire issue kind of faded.

[Rogue]

He had to stop and abandon research, as most of votes he got are comming from the churches, which clearly don't support stem cell research.

Also they found tissue engineering (making whole part of your body out of couple of your own cells, by growing the tissue) unmoral. This should save a lot of people who are waiting for organ transplantation.

Stroggy, I’m just saying that there is really no need for religion, and no scientific discovery can be thankful to religion. Science does not depend on religion, and mostly religion is preventing science from full development.

I have nothing against ‘believers’, but hate when they are trying to make a world by their standards.

[Stroggy]

If that is what you think i'll leave you with these immortal words of "some scientist"

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.
* *
* -Albert Einstein

[Rogue]

Don't forget that I'm from ex-comunist country, and can you believe people can live without religion??

It's shame that corruption in most countries happend after the WWII, but idea it self was good.

[Stroggy]

Originally posted by Anubis@Nov 29 2004, 07:01 PM
Don't forget that I'm from ex-comunist country, and can you believe people can live without religion??

[sarcasm]and isn't it amazing how nobody from the ex-soviet countries returned to religion after the fall of the Soviet Union!? [/sarcasm]