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[RRS]

Originally Posted by DarthHelmet86

You are free to hate this game, rage about it, call it names and pick out every fault but I am going to be over here playing some games and having a good time.

I find more and more reactions like this all over the internet. Makes me wonder how critics were able to find jobs all these years. When I read a movie or stage play review there's usually plenty of bitching involved. And here I am, with so many people saying "STFU, it's OK, leave Britney alone!".

No wonder creators are too lazy to aim for quality, if there are masses of slaphappy, easy-to-please people who buy everything that's fed to them, and anyone caught at pointing faults would be named unhappy fanboi.

Now I realized that this stage play reviewer, a journalist, writer and poet, was just a crazed fanboi, because that's who you are if you dare to complain.

[DarthHelmet86]

Never told you not to complain in fact I told you could. I just said that I was going to be over here having a good time playing some games. If you knew me you would know that I too whine and point out faults in games, I just wait for them to come out first and for me to play them.

So once again say whatever you like about this game I will be over here having a good time playing some games.

[hunvagy]

Originally Posted by RRS

It's not fair either to ride on the old franchise name and stick it to some modern crap, fooling people - us, clients - to buy it "for the old times sake".

They don't want you to buy it. There will be plenty others who do, and not because it's Syndicate from 1993 turned into a shooter. There will be a lot of pissed people, and a lot of people who are okay with the game, as always. In the end, EA makes money and that means they will put out more titles. Also if a company owns 50-60 IPs in the backlog, why take the risk of making a new one? This is not the same landscape when there were 4 rivals who you had to beat and you had to have serious innovations to stay in the market. Especially with digital distribution everyone can choose what and from where to buy, so of course they saturate the market with the genres that sell best. If you think that is wrong, then go ahead, bash games without seeing them or trying them, and stick with the games from the golden age. Nobody will try and stop you.

It you say these are decent products, why can't they defend on their own, without the need of well established brand? Oh, but they're too scared to come up with something new... My claim is that they'd be unable to sell well some of the mediocre products if they weren't labelled with popular brand name.

With the amount of titles big companies put out, they only need mediocre sales for mediocre products. And they get that.

It's not just about games. Think "Star Wars". If the new trilogy was just a series of new sci-fi movies, I'd say they're watchable, at least once. In few spots the special f/x were decent.
It is only because they're supposed to be in line with the old "Star Wars" why many people (like me) whine about.

Umm, no. The "new" trilogy is a cinematographic nightmare. No coherent plot, even if you would distance yourself from SW lore, the first one doesn't even have a real main protagonist, just a bunch of people thrown in front of the camera. It's a Lucas(tm) CG fest for children. And if we talk movies, take the "new" Indiana Jones. Everybody whines but at the end of the day, it is an Indiana Jones movie, even with that fucktard Shia LeBeouf (or whatever his name is). And even with all the naysayers, you don't see angry mobs storming Lucas Ranch lynching George for raping their childhoods.

But this is getting really tiring, so I stop derailing the thread. If you think it's okay to put your head in the sand and deny the existence of the new games, that's your choice. There will be no Tactical Shooters, they will be no games like Theme Hospital, or even Dungeon Keeper. There will be no more games of the caliber of Gabriel Knight. There is no market for them. And since companies prefer staying alive then going bankrupt with the diehard nieche gamers patting them on their shoulders at their graves, they will produce what the majority wants.

[Eagle of Fire]

If a brand name tricks you into buying a game without looking at it first or finding out what they have done with it I think the fault lies with you.

Well, that single line is the worst BS I've read in this thread yet. Unless you mean I should torrent every new game I might be even remotely interested in to try them in full before even considering purchasing the game itself if it please me, with no guarantee that I'll even bother purchasing it at all.

And don't come to me stating that I have to waste my entire life reading meaningless and biased reviews or play demos which usually don't even turn out like the shipped game... That would frankly be adding another layer of BS.

[DarthHelmet86]

lol Wut EoF...But hey if you don't want to take the time to see if a game is going to be the kind of game you like before you spend money on it well that's your problem.

Just so you know I brought Deus Ex: Human Revolution before it came out but close enough to the release date that I had seen good reviews (from sites and people I trust) for it and seen enough of the game-play to know I would like it. On the other hand something like Space Marine I would not buy before if has come out and I could look up people playing the real game, I need more info before I spend my money (And I am a big fan of WH40K games).

Syndicate is more then likely going to fall into the second set, I will wait for it to come out, listen to any friends who have gotten it (and since I know reviewers for some smaller online review sites I know some will be getting it) check out some early game LPs and then see if I like it. If all you are basing buying a game on is a name or title you are going to be let down sooner or later but if you don't have the time to check around about games don't just don't complain when you don't get what you wanted.

[brianjn]

NEW Syndicate class a wet dream come true just hope they have customisation like the first one different arms legs etc hate when they dumb games down to a simple upgrade button and weapon mods a must. I know the first one wasn’t like eve thank god im hear for a fun time not a long time lol. I think the game would work well in 3rd person or is it deffo in 1st? that game was well ahead of its time was there any games similar apart from synd wars?

[jonh_sabugs]

Well, I wish we all had access to these reviewers we can trust (i.e. share the same gaming tastes as us), or friends who will risk wasting their money on crap titles, so we can be spared such fate. This is not the case for most people, and yes, many will buy the game based on the title. Trying to blame the consumer in this situation sounds a bit arrogant to me, since the brand name was placed there to deliberately mislead people.

[RRS]

Originally Posted by hunvagy

There will be no Tactical Shooters, they will be no games like Theme Hospital, or even Dungeon Keeper. There will be no more games of the caliber of Gabriel Knight.

Why? Because:

Originally Posted by hunvagy

With the amount of titles big companies put out, they only need mediocre sales for mediocre products. And they get that.

They don't want you to buy it. There will be plenty others who do, and not because it's Syndicate from 1993 turned into a shooter. There will be a lot of pissed people, and a lot of people who are okay with the game, as always. In the end, EA makes money and that means they will put out more titles.

As I said before, with most of the people displaying "meh, whatever, I will be over here having a good time playing some games" attitude, nothing will force the companies to improve quality.

One movie reviever in the past said that people accept lousy movies/TV production because most of them weren't exposed to anything of high quality, so they can't feel the difference.

Therefore, to speak in your language and attitude:
go on guys, enjoy that crap you're being mass-fed today,
while I will be over here having a good time tasting some finer, hand-picked quality stuff, even if it can be found only in the past.
(this applies also for books, movies, music etc.)

[TheChosen]

[Lulu_Jane]

Literally nothing that is created now has any value ever.