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[Rogue]

No one did prevent anybody in my country to be religious. It was own decision all people had to make. Only you have not been able to be in communist’s party if you are religious, as they did not like ‘church in government.

In the last US election, they had posters in church that only way to have a good connection of government and church is to vote for Bush!? Is that the way this thing should work? How other countries/religions like this?

IMHO, religion divided more people then they connect them.

[Stroggy]

Once again you're being totally ignorant.
had you watched CNN's special on religion and the US elections you would have noticed a VAST ammount of churches had posters of kerry up.

And one more thing.

First you glorify the former communist countries as an example of a countries that destroyed the shackles of religion... and now you say one some were actually athe?st.

Do you even listen to yourself sometimes? You're a walking contradiction aren't you?

[Rogue]

Originally posted by Stroggy@Nov 29 2004, 02:33 PM
Once again you're being totally ignorant.
had you watched* CNN's special on religion and the US elections you would have noticed a VAST ammount of churches had posters of kerry up.

Stroggy, you are very wrong. (Is there any chance that you are mixing names? :bleh: )

First you glorify the former communist countries as an example of a countries that destroyed the shackles of religion... and now you say one some were actually athe?st.

Do you even listen to yourself sometimes? You're a walking contradiction aren't you?

Do you even listen. I just told ya that no one ever forced me, or anybody else to abandon religion.

I am not glorifying communism, especially not the one that you know about. There are different kinds of communism, and in my country was so called 'socializam'. (In the same country lived at the time Kosta, Unknown_Hero, Srebatianos and couple other members)

I just said it was nice idea, bad realization. A lot of Jews were communists in Russia, but Stalin killed most of them later, while he ruled so called ‘peoples state’.

Let’s go back to our topic. Don’t worry, nobody will force you to pay monthly fee (not till we get some fanatics too )

[Stroggy]

Stroggy, you are very wrong. (Is there any chance that you are mixing names? :bleh: )

For heaven's sake man, quit acting as if you've got the facts when you don't. Its the middle-east debate all over again.
You're opinions are once again based on generalisations, bent to support your viewpoint.

Do you even listen. I just told ya that no one ever forced me, or anybody else to abandon religion.*

Do you even read?
First you say you live in a former communist country and that it proved that a world without religion is possible. Now you say that people weren't forced to abandon their religion.

So there was still religion!

And even now in Russia people have returned to the Orthodox church. So obviously people do need religion. Thus only a cruel dictatorial regime like Stalin's could prevent religion. Big whoop!

People always need something to believe in. So returning to religion is nothing special. If you take religion of people, you'll have to give another one in exchange, or they'll return to the one they had before. Obviosly people cannot live without believing in something, would it be classical with God and church and so on or the thoughts of more intelligent people about the world and the universe and anything about / outside of it.

[Rogue]

Originally posted by Stroggy@Nov 29 2004, 02:59 PM


For heaven's sake man, quit acting as if you've got the facts when you don't. Its the middle-east debate all over again.
You're opinions are once again based on generalisations, bent to support your viewpoint.

Yes, you are right again.... As I said already, you my friend are misinformed. Read and listen a bit more.

Do you even read?
First you say you live in a former communist country and that it proved that a world without religion is possible. Now you say that people weren't forced to abandon their religion.

So there was still religion!

I said that live without religion is possible, and a lot of people still don't believe in any of religion stuff! Another of my points was that no one forced anybody to abandon religion in communism (I know only for my country). Is there something you can’t understand about that?

And even now in Russia people have returned to the Orthodox church. So obviously people do need religion. Thus only a cruel dictatorial regime like Stalin's could prevent religion. Big whoop!

Again, no one prevented people from going in to churches, and no one destroyed any churches in Russia or in my country. Actually a lot of them where build in the time of communism. Just you either don like to listen, or don't like to acknowledge any of this.

[TaloN]

religion causes more problems that it solves in my opinion.

it restricts people to one set of beliefs. people should choose their own choices, not be dictated by a religion.

[punch999]

though it is their choice to belive what they wish to believe so its not like people are being forced to be religious and follow all the religious rules

[Stroggy]

I have read, i've listened and i've seen. as i've said just look at the documentary, it was on CNN for atleast a week or two.

And then you act as if communism was this big happy jolly take your pick kind of organization. Luckily you do add (I know only for my country) at some points.

and no one destroyed any churches in Russia [...] Actually a lot of them where build in the time of communism.

What in the name of Mahatma Ghandi are you talking about. While it is true thatmajor Orthodox powers (like Sergei, Aleksei Simanskii of Leningrad and Nikolai Iarushevich of Kiev) where tolerated (mainly due to their sway over a part of the populace) normal orthodox churches who did not directly follow these three major powers were destroyed!

Thousands of orthodox priests were deported to gulags! These were later branded as 'orthodox sects' for not following the main leadership of the orthodox church.

And this only happened during WW2. Before that Stalin made quick work of levelling thousands of churchs. Murdering countless of priests and nuns!

[Rogue]

Originally posted by Stroggy@Nov 29 2004, 04:10 PM
I have read, i've listened and i've seen. as i've said just look* at the documentary, it was on CNN for atleast a week or two.

Stroggy,
I live here and I was following election from the beginning. As I told ya, churches support bush, as he is republican and more conservative. Church never had this much power as today. I would like to see your documentary, but trust me, I got at home a lot of pictures with signs that state that who believe in god, should believe in Bush. (There was a joke around about this)

And then you act as if communism was this big happy jolly take your pick kind of organization.

Where? I said it was nice idea.... but...

Luckily you do add (I know only for my country) at some points.

That's a luck.

What in the name of Mahatma Ghandi are you talking about. While it is true thatmajor Orthodox powers (like Sergei, Aleksei Simanskii of Leningrad and Nikolai Iarushevich of Kiev) where tolerated (mainly due to their sway over a part of the populace) normal orthodox churches who did not directly follow these three major powers were destroyed!

Thousands of orthodox priests were deported to gulags! These were later branded as 'orthodox sects' for not following the main leadership of the orthodox church.

And this only happened during WW2. Before that Stalin made quick work of levelling thousands of churchs. Murdering countless of priests and nuns!

Sorry, forgat to say that I know only for stuff after WWII. What Stalien did is another story and does not have much to do with religion, but with killing all potentinal oponents (and ideas)


You are realy hard trying just to prove anything wrong... LOL I like that, but for someone who like to study International Law, you should know better...