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[DeathDude]

Indeed the main thing is what do the media outlets consider metal honestly, seems from what I see anything that has a really heavy sound. They sometimes get it right, but sometimes with bands like Ateryu, Linkin Park, Korn etc... they are way off the mark. Really should do some better research as it's the way songs are structured, chord progression and such that determines whether a band is metal or not, but till that happens they will continue to do so and really metal never was meant to be mainstream anyway, if you look back to when it was Black Sabbath, Motorhead, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest etc... grew from the underground, the fact that some bands now like Maiden or Priest get exposure today just shows there is an interest to show those bands for the hard work they have done for all the years they were performing.

[Iowa]

What I don't understand is the difference between nu-metal and rap-metal. They're basically the same thing, I always thought that nu-metal was unique sound like Korn's, not Linkin Park or LB, they're more in the rap-metal column...aren't they?


A new Mushroomhead CD? :w00t:

[DeathDude]

They are similar it's more in terms of what's added like more hiphop and rap, but again it's instrumentation, where there is more heaviness with nu-metal but with the other sorts of elements, like SlipKnot occasionly does which put them in the nu-metal category. Granted the bottom line is any band that falls in either or won't be seen as a true metal band, as if you look around different forums on the net not too many of the hardcore fans that will acknowledge these genres or give much if any praise.

[Iowa]

Ah, I see. I personally think it's stupid to set yourself on liking one thing so much, that you lose the ability to even try new things and enjoy them...

[DeathDude]

Indeed well as is the case with some, that's probably the only genre of music they may listen to. Also when they hear talk of other bands like let's say Ateryu, Korn and the like getting labeled as metal by others, that's what probably annoys them, the thing is it does happen often where someone will come on a board like at gamefaqs and start asking what they think of Slipknot, and it just goes off from there.

[Cloudy]

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What I don't understand is people calling Linkin Park and Limp Bizkit metal...they aren't even really nu-metal in my opinion, Limp Bizkit is just straight up rap (very good rap, in my opinion) and Linkin Park is alt-rock.
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The proble is some iluminate, that don´t understand music say all kind of rocks it´s all the same, but they are wrong, and Metal is not rock.... :angry:
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We could argue for years about this and not come to any conclusions. I can't be bothered arguing about genres any more, it's too much of a subjective thing. Everyone has their own ideas.

I don't know how you could possibly argue that metal is not rock though... that one baffles me.

[Iowa]

Easy, we can argue about it because metal isn't rock!

Metal=

-double-pedal bass drum
-two guitars
-insanely fast solos
-a wall of sound
-grating vocals


Rock=

-harmonic music/vocals
-one guitar
-repeated chorus instead of solos

[DeathDude]

Well metal does owe some of it's sound and influences to rock, like Led Zepplin which was a big early outside influence on metal, but there are differences still usually most of the cases is instrumentation like has been said, dual guitar rthyums, double bass drums, fair amount of double kick, different vocal styles from harsh to clean, and just different ways of expressing the music, through long and drawn out passages with many melodies (progressive) lots of sound where the guitar and keyboard take the forefront (power) or blistering fast riffs and heavy drums (Thrash).

[Tulac]

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Rock=

-harmonic music/vocals
-one guitar
-repeated chorus instead of solos
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That is certainly not a way to classify rock music, since it has so many different subtypes just like metal, your classification would count out the whole progressive rock genre for example...
IMO metal is tightly linked to rock and is a sort of evolution from it, just like rock evolved from blues and etc.

[Cloudy]

Easy, we can argue about it because metal isn't rock![/b]

Let's see then...

Metal=

-double-pedal bass drum[/b]

It doesn't have to have that.

-two guitars[/b]

Again, not necessary.

-insanely fast solos[/b]

Again, many metal bands don't even play solos.

-a wall of sound[/b]

True in most cases.

-grating vocals[/b]

Not necessarily, metal can have very clean vocals too.

Rock=
-harmonic music/vocals[/b]

Metol can be harmonic too.

-one guitar[/b]

There are rock bands with three guitarists that I can think of.

-repeated chorus instead of solos[/b]

Not necessarily. Some metal bands follow this song structure also.


The way I see it, metal IS rock. But rock is not necessarily metal.

Let me elaborate.

There is one big genre: rock music. Within rock, there are many subgenres: Metal is one of these subgenres, along with punk rock, progressive rock, glam rock, modern rock, whatever-else-rock...

And it can be differentiated further: there are various subgenres within the metal subgenre itself: traditional metal, progressive metal, death metal, industrial metal, alternative metal, doom metal, etc.

You could go even further than this, for example within the doom metal subgenre there is traditional doom, sludge doom, stoner doom, funeral doom, drone doom, etc. An example, many people don't consider Sunn 0)) a metal band, but they DO fit firmly in the drone doom subgenre.

Another example, look at Atreyu; many people do not consider them a metal band at all, and they're not, in the traditional sense. But they ARE a metalcore band (metalcore being being a hybrid of metal and hardcore punk influences), and their sound clearly puts them into this genre (although if you want to check out metalcore, there are much better bands to listen to than Atreyu, who are quite frankly terrible).

Ok, I've ramnled on long enough, and it's more than likely that someone's going to come back here and disagree with me immediately, so I'm going to shut up now :bleh: