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[yoga]

Originally Posted by yoga

There is my location. Sry for bad lighting.
I did some attempts to jump still no result.
I press the left mouse button to move fast, then up mouse cursor and then press right mouse button to jump.
Rats!!!
I am on small island and have to jump to next beach.
There are some bad frogs who bite me if fail in the water.

Shame!
The brave who beat Lord Xeen, Lord Chaos and many more stopped before some wall.

I solved this problem with wall but ....

Hmmm.. i do not like the game. It is very simple, without scenario and without tasks as in the next UW2 when the protagonist must visit many worlds and complete many tasks.
There are endless corridors and doors only. Nothing more...

So i will stop this project for a while or forever.

[hunvagy]

Originally Posted by yoga

I solved this problem with wall but ....

Hmmm.. i do not like the game. It is very simple, without scenario and without tasks as in the next UW2 when the protagonist must visit many worlds and complete many tasks.
There are endless corridors and doors only. Nothing more...

So i will stop this project for a while or forever.

Too bad. In many regards, the first Underworld is better then the second. And believe me, there is a scenario as you put it, and plenty of quests. You gave up behind the first secret door, so you probably haven't even met the goblin tribes, or the humans. And fyi, UW2 is just endless corridors and doors only, it's a dungeon crawler. The labyrinth of worlds never lets you go outside either. Also it doesn't make you figure out and learn the lizardman language, which is quite fun to do

[yoga]

Originally Posted by hunvagy

Too bad. In many regards, the first Underworld is better then the second. And believe me, there is a scenario as you put it, and plenty of quests. You gave up behind the first secret door, so you probably haven't even met the goblin tribes, or the humans. And fyi, UW2 is just endless corridors and doors only, it's a dungeon crawler. The labyrinth of worlds never lets you go outside either. Also it doesn't make you figure out and learn the lizardman language, which is quite fun to do

Nah!!

Are you crazy, dear Hunvagy or going crazy now???

Do YOU ever played these 2 games or just read the stupid reviews?

i, the humble yoga played UW2 3 times and now play UW1.
The brave opened more secret doors from You, my dear!

Please take back your words otherwise i will visit Hungary, find You and ask for fair duel.
My duel helper will be my friend Twillight.
OK?

the brave yoga

[hunvagy]

Originally Posted by yoga

Nah!!

Are you crazy, dear Hunvagy or going crazy now???

Do YOU ever played these 2 games or just read the stupid reviews?

i, the humble yoga played UW2 3 times and now play UW1.
The brave opened more secret doors from You, my dear!

Please take back your words otherwise i will visit Hungary, find You and ask for fair duel.
My duel helper will be my friend Twillight.
OK?

the brave yoga

Yes I played both, quite a few times. In fact I played it before the mainstream advent of the interwebs in my country for the first time, around 1994. And because I still refuse to read the hint book, to this day I have no idea where Cabirus' relics are. But fact is, that UW2 is more locked in it's progression, and even though there are "worlds" they are just caverns like in the first game. The fact that they tied UW2 loosely after the end of U7 was just a design choice, since it came out after Black Gate afaik.

It's a lot more fulfilling that you actually have to look for the ankhs to level, that you have to find the mantras to use them, and that you have to talk to everyone and eventually find out what the whole story behind the Stygian Abyss and its fall is.

Also there's a seed of life just behind the first secret door, you can plant that at any little nieche where plants grow. When you die, you get resurrected if you replanted it anywhere.

[Scatty]

Originally Posted by hunvagy

When you die, you get resurrected if you replanted it anywhere.

Losing some experience points with that. Don't know for sure anymore how much, something like 100-300. Not that it matters that much later in the game. But in UW2 at least you can gather experience easily with Summon Demon spell and killing him afterwards, over and over again.
Still I agree with you, Ultima Underworld - Stygian Abyss is in quite some ways better than UW2.

[yoga]

Still I agree with you, Ultima Underworld - Stygian Abyss is in quite some ways better than UW2.[/quote]


But...but can i believe my eyes? What happened? Is it true?

Till now i run and run and run and open and open the doors only!!! Where is the scenario, where are the "worlds aka caves", where are the murder and spy in the King castle? Nowhere...
and YOU tell me - no, yoga, too bad, you give up before first closed door?!!?
Like we see black stone but You speak - no, yoga, this is white stone..
Let ask more AB members about the Q:
-What is the better game from both - UUSA or UW2?

Maybe we speak about different games, mates? UUSA?

..and first bug is discover..
I enter a cave through the water, use my musical instrument but nothing falls in my hands. Nothing. I expected special goblet.

[Mighty Midget]

UW is about the story, I'd say.

What is this place? Who built it? Why is it more of a ruin now?
Who was this Cabirus and was he out of his mind?
A troll carried a girl downstairs? What on earth...?

Playing UW is like being inside a book, there's a story there waiting to tell itself to you.

UW is not a TES game. You don't run around doing millions of tiny quests. The reason you are there in the first place, to learn about the place and to get out of there is the main quest.

[yoga]

Originally Posted by Mighty Midget

UW is about the story, I'd say.

What is this place? Who built it? Why is it more of a ruin now?
Who was this Cabirus and was he out of his mind?
A troll carried a girl downstairs? What on earth...?

Playing UW is like being inside a book, there's a story there waiting to tell itself to you.

UW is not a TES game. You don't run around doing millions of tiny quests. The reason you are there in the first place, to learn about the place and to get out of there is the main quest.

OK. Thank You, Mighty Midget for your opinion.
As i say before i respect every opinion even...
hmmm.. i am at the other side of the barricade.
We Bulgarians have a saying: The truth is born in dispute

Maybe some one will support the brave opinion?
Welcome

[Scatty]

Let's just say one more thing yet. What makes Stygian Abyss different, for me at least, is the aspect of survival. You are thrown into the dungeon with no weapons no armor nothing. Find everything from scratch, build up your character and equipment, stay alive.
In UW2 the start is easier, it is a quite different, even if similar, setting. You get already some equipment right in your room and nearby. Only the castle cellar levels and below have a bit of the survival aspect of UW1. Once you begin entering the world gem it is more exploration than survival, you aready have better equipment and weapons.
Seeing it that way maybe it's wrong to say Ultima Underworld - The Stygian Abyss is better than Ultima Underworld 2. It's simply different, and also has it's own charm, while UW2 has it's own good points.

[yoga]

Originally Posted by Scatty

Let's just say one more thing yet. What makes Stygian Abyss different, for me at least, is the aspect of survival. You are thrown into the dungeon with no weapons no armor nothing. Find everything from scratch, build up your character and equipment, stay alive.
In UW2 the start is easier, it is a quite different, even if similar, setting. You get already some equipment right in your room and nearby. Only the castle cellar levels and below have a bit of the survival aspect of UW1. Once you begin entering the world gem it is more exploration than survival, you aready have better equipment and weapons.
Seeing it that way maybe it's wrong to say Ultima Underworld - The Stygian Abyss is better than Ultima Underworld 2. It's simply different, and also has it's own charm, while UW2 has it's own good points.

Yes, now I totally agree with You, Master.
Maybe after Morrowind project i will return to UU TSA again.
maybe..so many and good games ahead...