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[A. J. Raffles]

I think we had better not go there, Scarecrow. Actually there have been lots of spelling mistakes in this thread, and it was not just omg who made them. Let's not turn this into a debate about spelling.
Besides, I rather like 'litriture'. Looks better than the correct spelling, if you ask me.

Any book is literature, not just the good ones. TV and movies are ruining the art of fine literature these days because each year every show and film has less depth and more hype.

TV and movies aren't necessarily bad, but they just aren't able to convey anything like a book can. Take, for instance, "The Brothers Karamazov" by Fyodor Dostoevsky. The book spent more time focusing on Aleksei Fyodorovich than any other character, but the 1958 movie was about the murder itself; Aleksei (played by William Shatner, better known as Captain James T Kirk from Star Trek) was replaced with his oldest brother Dmitry Fyodorovich as the film's main character. Sure, the movie was true to the book in terms of actual events, but it cut out a lot of the underlying philosophy Dostoevsky intended to have in the story.

There used to be a lot of really good movies being produced by Hollywood. Movies weren't all about women in skimpy outfits and constant, mindless action. Characters were involved in drama that was often well thought out and executed, whereas today drama is what happens in a scene where something isn't being blown up or the protagonist is getting it on with some woman; drama is only a plot device, whereas years ago drama was the plot. There are times, however, when a perfectly good movie is made these days that doesn't have a shallow plot and mindless destruction, but these movies don't come by too often. My theory is that over the past 30 years, the movie producers studied what kind of films would bring in the most crowds, and they discovered that most people prefer style over substance.

TV shows have steadily dropped over the years, especially following the advent of cable. Networks like MTV, Comedy Central, and FOX have taken away decent shows and replaced them with stupidity, and other networks follow suit. CBS, for example, has a number of sitcoms deeply involved in sex during prime time. 95% of the jokes involve something of a sexual nature, and the other 5% are women joking about men. Sitcoms these days are only funny if it involves sex; there's very little depth to them. There have been shows that were meant to convey some sort of message or have some philosophical meaning to them, but they either range to highly conservative (Touched by an Angel) or to what most people would consider quite nerdy (any Star Trek series). Reality TV is also a cesspool of stupidity; it pretty much involves watching other people do stupid stuff to win some money or seeing how where-are-they-now celebrities live. What's so good about that?

[Ioncannon]

its sad to see the effect that tv and chatting has done to people. My friens brother is a moron because of MSN. Yo brb I g2g to get food atm. With grammer and spellingm istakes. I can't even bring an example because its that bad. He couldn't even spell words such as assistance, acquaintance, and others, due to the brain rotting ap called MSN (ty M$). SPeaking of MS, they everyday make the world of PC simpler for the dumb asses who won't learn. I was at a MS confrence with my father, and they were showing the new Visual Studio. Programmers don't even ahve to think anymore. When an error is found... IT WILL FIX IT FOR YOU! Instead of you finding it and figuring how to fix it.

reading Druids by Morgen Llywelyn. Anyone read that book before? I am amazed at the research she did into it, I googled one of the chars name, and he was the King who tried to fight Ceaser from taking over Free Gaul (as in the book).

Originally posted by Ioncannon@Jul 11 2005, 10:06 PM
I can't even bring an example because its that bad.

Are you being sarcastic? It's hard to tell in a forum.

[BeefontheBone]

Vercingetorix?

[Fruit Pie Jones]

There used to be a lot of really good movies being produced by Hollywood.

Let's not forget that there used to be a lot of really bad movies coming out of Hollywood too. The reason nobody talks about them nowadays is that, well, they were really bad.

Programmers don't even ahve to think anymore. When an error is found... IT WILL FIX IT FOR YOU! Instead of you finding it and figuring how to fix it.

Anyone who has ever seen what MS Word's grammar checker can do to a paper (or a game review) knows that their error-correcting algorithms won't make human programmers obsolete anytime soon.

Originally posted by Fruit Pie Jones@Jul 12 2005, 02:13 PM

Let's not forget that there used to be a lot of really bad movies coming out of Hollywood too. The reason nobody talks about them nowadays is that, well, they were really bad.

What's so bad about b-movies? They're so bad, they're good! (Except "Frogs!" which was so bad it was pathetic).

Originally posted by Fruit Pie Jones
Programmers don't even ahve to think anymore. When an error is found... IT WILL FIX IT FOR YOU! Instead of you finding it and figuring how to fix it.
Anyone who has ever seen what MS Word's grammar checker can do to a paper (or a game review) knows that their error-correcting algorithms won't make human programmers obsolete anytime soon.

Yeah, there's nothing like a solid foundation in the language you're writing in. With that and a good MLA handbook, you can't go wrong.

[A. J. Raffles]

Originally posted by Triton+Jul 12 2005, 07:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Triton @ Jul 12 2005, 07:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Fruit Pie Jones@Jul 12 2005, 02:13 PM

Let's not forget that there used to be a lot of really bad movies coming out of Hollywood too. The reason nobody talks about them nowadays is that, well, they were really bad.

What's so bad about b-movies? They're so bad, they're good! (Except "Frogs!" which was so bad it was pathetic). [/b][/quote]
Sorry Triton, but I think you're slightly changing your argument here. Or are you saying that in the Good Old Days, Hollywood used to make either good films or good bad films, whereas today they mostly make bad bad films? Obviously, the great majority of films which were made back then and the great majority of films which are made now are mediocre and unremarkable. It's just that you don't usually get to see mediocre films from the 1920s any more, whereas mediocre films from the 1990s are constantly being shown on television.
And as for "women in skimpy outfits and constant, mindless action" being a modern theme, what were the King Kong and Tarzan films all about, then?

Originally posted by A. J. Raffles+Jul 12 2005, 04:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (A. J. Raffles @ Jul 12 2005, 04:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

What's so bad about b-movies? They're so bad, they're good! (Except "Frogs!" which was so bad it was pathetic).

Sorry Triton, but I think you're slightly changing your argument here. Or are you saying that in the Good Old Days, Hollywood used to make either good films or good bad films, whereas today they mostly make bad bad films? Obviously, the great majority of films which were made back then and the great majority of films which are made now are mediocre and unremarkable. It's just that you don't usually get to see mediocre films from the 1920s any more, whereas mediocre films from the 1990s are constantly being shown on television.
And as for "women in skimpy outfits and constant, mindless action" being a modern theme, what were the King Kong and Tarzan films all about, then? [/b][/quote]
You'll note that I did not say every movie.

[A. J. Raffles]

Well, neither did I.