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[Morrin]

Hey, thanks for the newsflash! k:

[troop18546]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Morrin @ Sep 25 2006, 02:47 PM) [snapback]257258[/snapback]</div>

Could you explain what you mean by "you must do this and that"? Ofcourse it's linear game, but that is exactly what makes it so intense. I like to play games where you don't have to wander around aimlessly, looking for some puzzle that is under your nose but you cannot find it anyway because the gamedesigner had some weird twist in his head when he designed it. I think I haven't ever played as intense game as condemned.

Heh, I cannot change your mind if you think it sucks. I just love the mood, the theme and everything. Actually all of the games I listed are quite linear in end. You have quite few options in them, with little exeption with bloodlines.

Or if you disagree, how does max payne series or painkiller series give you options?

peace, just protecting my fav games.
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It's just that in Condemned (and in F.E.A.R.) you are always (ALWAYS) ordered to do something without back-up. Why the hell is there a police department if one guy (you) has to complete every *dirty word* task?
It's like MOHAA, why the army? You can kill all nazis single-handed.

Max Payne and Painkiller fearture a story where you (only you) are only involved in the muck that you must fix (i.e. kill all just for the heck of it).

@BP,

Don't get on my nerves. :tai: The same games can be appreciated without (yes, without) the friggin' "game suxxorz bcuz no patch makes m3 bleed". I play all games in original condition and only a few are really pushy on the updates. Lay off the games.

[Blood-Pigggy]

Wait, so the game sucks just because you don't get any backup?

No, the story makes perfect sense, in F.E.A.R. your squad is either off doing other things (if you had played the entire singeplayer, you'd remember the parts where they'd do things that'd affect the area you're in) or they're dead.

In Condemned, you're a DETECTIVE, a solo operative meant to investigate these things, it just so happens that stuff doesn't go down like you'd think it would.

And even if those are just excuses, they don't make either game bad, it's one of the reasons F.E.A.R. was so great, because you were always by yourself, its stressful and intense. Condemned just scares the hell out of me.

@Troop: I have all the right to complain about the buggy state of games, it PISSES me off, do you realize, that three quarters into Bloodlines, the whole god damn game wiped my saves when I told it to overwrite a game before? Not only that, but characters would constantly freeze, clip through things, and the game would crash uncountable times.

If it's that bad, it's deserving of some good old broiling.

[troop18546]

it PISSES me off[/b]

The single line where you are right. No, I don't mind the team-work being kicked out from some games, but in F.E.A.R. atleast - why the *meep*, would anyone need to make a team when all the squad but you is *dirty word* jerking-off in the next room and 5K enemies run at only you. It's like a *dirty word* invitation to a tea party - the rest of the team comes in to "help" you by sitting in the next room to wait for you while you clear the next area. It isn't scary at all, you know that the enemies are human and the only reason I like playing it at a friends house, is that you can use you feet to kill enemies. Noone has incorporated that in a game + the slow-mo kicks behind, because you can see that in slow-mo. A truly scary game doesn't have regenerating slow-mo, that would just *meep*-up the whole scaryness.
On another "BUG" note - your experience doesn't affect other players' experience with bugs, no use in complaining all the time.

[Blood-Pigggy]

It doesn't matter about someone's "experience" all that matters is that the bugs exist and the developers are retards for leaving them in there, it degrades the quality of the game.

[Morrin]

SPOILERS CONSIDERING CONDEMNED!

As mentioned, in condemned you are private investigator who gets separated from other polices AND afterwards hunted by the police itself. How do you except backup?

[Iowa]

Look at all the people talking about games my computer will never be able to get to the start menu on...wow...

I wanna play FEAR and Painkiller extremely badly but...I don't have a grand and a half.

[gregor]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Blood-Pigggy @ Sep 25 2006, 08:09 PM) [snapback]257346[/snapback]</div>

It doesn't matter about someone's "experience" all that matters is that the bugs exist and the developers are retards for leaving them in there, it degrades the quality of the game.
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Not developers, the publishers are the retards...

[Mighty Midget]

^True. Braben went ballistic when the publisher released Frontier at the state it was in at that time. Also, Smart was seriously pissed off when Battlecruiser was released too soon.

"One man's trash is another man's gold", meaning someone could value a game even if it's clogged up with bugs while others will hate the game for the very same bugs. There's no "all that matters to everyone" or anything along that line. Obviously, we all look for different things in games.

[gregor]

I think the problem is because there is a certain dedlline after which the investors expect their money to start retuning back to them. Some games are made in time and are almost completelly bug free, but most today are sent out unfinished. well the bugs were probably ment to be minor but weren't.

I just finished playing hitman (the first one) and the game seems to have a lot of bugs. but it's not so much bugs as it is strange things like enemies seing through the uniform and through wall (!?), unfinished stories (like everyone is perfectly happy with limmo without the driver, no one is missing him when they take off???!!?!), then strange things in training level almost as if somehting was missing etc.
it didn't take long to find these strange stuff. but as i read many things have been later corrected. and also it seems obvious that the game was put out before it was completelly polished.

Porbaby because of publishers pressing to start producing the money.
If you noticed some games came out long overdue (it took them long to develope). it could happen that when they came out they were already obsolete. that's what the publishers are afraid of. so they take a few bugs as lesser evil they can later repair with patches.