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Originally posted by the_fifth_horseman@Jul 1 2005, 02:51 PM
Have you thought that the children growing up with homosexual parents will see the model of homosexual family as being normal when in truth it is not such? Have you thought what will the child's psychology end up like?

right that does it. none of you are listining to me about this. so i am posting links becuse i am getting sick of you bigots who clearly have no understanding of psycholigy or neuroscience. it is a FACT that gay men have different brains to straight men. just type gay brains into google you idiots before you start saying about how homosexuality is something you choose , or something that is caused by psychological pressures. here is the link

Researchers have found a new anatomical difference in the brain structure of homosexual men and heterosexual men, a discovery that supports a theory that sexual orientation may be set by nature. UCLA School of Medicine scientists Laura Allen and Roger Gorski report that in autopsy studies they found a brain structure called the anterior commissure to be 34 percent larger in homosexual males than in heterosexual males

now for some more links so you bigots dont think i got lucky and found one crackpot site
university of sweden research
spatial awarness tests
levay sheep study
more about the netherlands study
more on the brains. cbs.

this data has been wildely published, has had documentorys about it on tv, and is actually taught in some psycholigy classes. triton you exspecially need to read this, you 2 horsemen, in fact i first came across this data in bloody new scientist magazine. they never publish ANYTHING without thoroughly checking it first.
i grew up in a single parent family. does this mean im going to leave my wife when we have children. i think not.

[Yobor]

Thank you om*g. Gahh. Being Homosexual is NOT a concious choice. You are either born that way, or not. However, sometimes there might be like 1 person of the same sex you love that way even if you are straight. Thats being Bi-sexual. I understand that too.

Now, 5th Horseman, why does it matter if it goes against evolution? There are plenty of people on earth to reproduce. It's just like being born with a heart condition, or Sickle Cell anemia. But its different than that, because saying that makes it sound liek a disease, when its not. Its just different. Like say your eyes are farhter apart than someone elses. Just different. As for children growing up in Gay homes, I think that it is fine too. You say that a Gay home is not the norm. Normalcy is just a perception. Would living in the Desert in abstract poverty be normal for you? No. But it is for a lot of people.

[plague]

Good. I'm happy every time when catholic church comes up empty handed. This "No, you are not human and you don't have humanrights because you are a gay." -thing is just so stupid. Like many other trademarks of catholic church

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i think the rate of preists abusing young boys and the fact that they make preists be celibate is directly conected. also i think if you think about it what kind of person wants to join the preisthood and be in the pure male enviroment.......

[Doubler]

Just a little note:

Puffin - that origin for the word Lesbian is a myth I'm afraid, as far as I know the name of the island is coincidence.

As far as I know, it's no coincidence.
The term 'lesbian' is indeed derived from the island's name, because the ancient Greek poetess Sapfo wrote some lesbian poetry there.
Some of it is pretty good, too k:

And another:

Think from evolutionary point of view. There are positive behavioral deviations (those that in some way increase the chance of an organism to reproduce) and negative (those that reduce the chance to reproduce).
Homosexuals cannot have children with each other, ergo their deviation is negative.

And because they can't have children, they don't really partake in evolution, do they?

[TheVoid]

Originally posted by omg@Jul 1 2005, 04:41 PM
i think the rate of preists abusing young boys and the fact that they make preists be celibate is directly conected. also i think if you think about it what kind of person wants to join the preisthood and be in the pure male enviroment.......

Let's not degenerate into saying that priests join the church for the purpose of being in a male environment. I'd like to think they rather believe in church's principles and therefore join it. The fact that some priests lose their vocation or have never really had one is referable to the men, not to the institution. Yet I think that catholic priests should marry as do protestant ones, in order to be nearer to problems of the family, having one themselves. And that would also leave them let some steam off, if you get what I mean.

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you are right about not degenerating. i just got a little wound up by all these people saying *gay is a choice* *gay is a perversion* ect. i also think they should be allowed to marry for the reosens you stated but they are so tied up in dogma that i doubt it will happen. calming down now, put some bizet on and got a beer.

I can't even begin to comprehend the ignorance I read here.

Originally posted by Puffin
And.. EEEEEEW what Triton said about comparing homosexuality to pedofilia blink.gif
Geez, how can you even say it? You must know better.
A young child can never be in a loving relationship with an older man/woman. The child would love the person as a father, or as a guardian, NOT as a sexual companion.

Pedofilia can be compared to homosexuality. If people can be attracted to the same sex, then people can be attracted to children and vice versa. Whether you think people should have the right to marry and/or have sexual relations with children is up to you (I don't think they should, which is why I'm against homosexuality). My point is that if adults can feel attraction to other adults of the same gender as a result of nature, then adults having an attraction to children is just as natural. If homosexuals can marry, then children should be able to have sex with adults if they consent to it.

Have you not read "Lolita" by Nabokov? Dolores Haze resented Humbert Humbert near the end, but only because he went about things the wrong way. She did start to fall in love with him at first, though.

Originally posted by Chuck the Plant
@ Triton: What you call "love" is just a mixture of different physical processes based on hormones, pheromones etc. which THEN influence the thinking of a person, not the other way round. So we're still on the PHYSICAL side.

By considering the perception of love a physical action instead of a mental one, then pretty much anything the body does is physical, even thought. Just because you subconsciously think, feel, and act doesn't mean it has nothing to do with the mind.

Originally posted by omg+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (omg)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>right that does it. none of you are listining to me about this. so i am posting links becuse i am getting sick of you bigots who clearly have no understanding of psycholigy or neuroscience. it is a FACT that gay men have different brains to straight men. just type gay brains into google you idiots before you start saying about how homosexuality is something you choose , or something that is caused by psychological pressures. here is the link
i am going to edit and add more links, this data has been wildely published, has had documentorys about it on tv, and is actually taught in some psycholigy classes. triton you exspecially need to read this, you 2 horsemen, in fact i first came across this data in bloody new scientist magazine. they never publish ANYTHING without thoroughly checking it first.[/b]

If homosexuality is set by nature, then why are things like autism and down's syndrome considered disorders? They have different brains, too. Autistic people generally don't harm anyone because of their condition either. I never said homosexuality was a conscious choice; one does not wake up one morning and decide he likes people of the same sex, which is exactly why it is a disorder. Your article is just homosexual propaganda by people who aren't even 50% sure that homosexuality is normal, yet they won't admit that because they can't imagine having a disorder and living life with the preference of those of the opposite sex.

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But I guess we're getting nearer to the core of it now. Could it be that you suffer from an immense fear of somebody or something entering your "backdoor" and therefore can't imagine how anybody else could like it in any way?[/quote]

As I said before, anal sex is a very dangerous practice, even with lubricants and protection. I'm sure if women were properly equipped, they'd do things that would harm each other because they were lesbians and it "felt right."

The reason why I'm against homosexual marriage was explained a while back with the comment about people hallucinating telephone poles. You don't tell someone who thinks they see a telephone pole in his room that it really is there.

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Originally posted by Triton@Jul 1 2005, 04:01 PM
If homosexuality is set by nature, then why are things like autism and down's syndrome considered disorders? They have different brains, too. Autistic people generally don't harm anyone because of their condition either. I never said homosexuality was a conscious choice; one does not wake up one morning and decide he likes people of the same sex, which is exactly why it is a disorder. Your article is just homosexual propaganda by people who aren't even 50% sure that homosexuality is normal, yet they won't admit that because they can't imagine having a disorder and living life with the preference of those of the opposite sex.

im so glad we are not together in a pub. i would have just momenterially lost control. how DARE you say the article is just propaganda. did you check the other links. the bbc. cbs. the fact that new scientist magazine accept this data. it is not PROPAGANDA it is FACT. do you even know the difference between the two. clearly you do not. this research has been going on for a long time now. get a brain . please. please. please. i hate to think that people like you are allowed to raise children and gay people are not.

How can you be completely certain that the article is true? Homosexuals do not want to become heterosexual, so they'll say anything to justify themselves.