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a1s 17-02-2006 10:58 PM

hey folks,

the Ethanol (drinking alcohol?) C2H5OH has been going around the world and even moved into eastern and central Europe ....

I stopped drinking (liquor) and I hope that they'll get something done about it .....


but I am not panicing now .... what about you ?

BTW, before you brand this topic of spam, I'd like to poit out that it does have a purpose (beyond being a parody of H5N1), it deals with the issue of alcoholism, which was and is a problem (for example my grandfathers death was largely due to this condition). and I do infact not drink alcohol.

Iron_Scarecrow 17-02-2006 11:10 PM

What's the problem?

#BlakhOle# 17-02-2006 11:22 PM

Wuh??

Iron_Scarecrow 17-02-2006 11:30 PM

People are drinking Ethanol straight?

a1s 18-02-2006 12:05 AM

no, usualy one would water it down, howerever there are people who would drink it in quite high concentrations (over 95%). the problem however doesn't become much smaller if you decrese dosage to 600 ml or even 400 ml per liter. in fact that's waht most alcoholics drink.

laiocfar 18-02-2006 07:55 AM

Ethanol is sold for medical applications, but i remember that some years ago in a party that some friends and me made to get some money, when then vodka was a mixture of water + ethanol.... :sick: a guy get an alcoholic coma in that party, but can u enligh us more about C2H5OH?

Yobor 18-02-2006 09:17 AM

Alchohol has been proven to reduce stress in the average person when taken in small amounts. Technically, it is a good thing, so therefore you can have too much of it.

Tulac 18-02-2006 09:22 AM

I drink alcohol here and then but definetly not in 95% percent concentration :blink:

Puffin 18-02-2006 10:42 AM

I don't drink in Iceland, but I do when I'm abroad.

My great grandfather died from drinking spiritus.


Kearnsy 18-02-2006 01:01 PM

I heard of some governments adding quite a harmful (non lethal) toxin into metholated spirits because it was being abuse as a very cheap alchohol... the problem was people didn't didn't quite know how powerful the stuff was.

So now its officially toxic and will make you very sic before you drink enough of it to kill you.

gorkur 18-02-2006 02:43 PM

I had some ethanol on my cornflakes this morning. Sure beats the hell out off that.. er.. stuff... that comes out of.. erm... cows? :P

Himmler 18-02-2006 03:30 PM

i like the Ethanol ..even at high concentration(palinca :D) ..why shhuld there be done something about it? :cheers:

SirPeter 18-02-2006 04:18 PM

Why whould anyone drink Ethanol?
Deathwish?

*Looks at this topic and decides that its a weird topic.

a1s 18-02-2006 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SirPeter@Feb 18 2006, 08:18 PM
Why whould anyone drink Ethanol?
Deathwish?

not exactly. but they proably do it to get away from their everyday lives.

plix 18-02-2006 05:26 PM

Ethanol is just regular old drinking alcohol. It's the alcoholic component of beer, wine, hard liquor, etc. As for concentrations, I'm sure people are at least familiar with Everclear, which is 95% pure ethanol.

Denatured ethanol (which I think Kearnsy was referring to) is ethanol with toxic additives such as methanol which are added so that the final product is unsuitable for consumption and, in the US at least, exempt from the "sin tax" on alcohol.

PrejudiceSucks 18-02-2006 07:44 PM

I drink a fair bit at parties, but I've cut down a lot at home.

I don't drink it pure, I drink it in wine, or spirits. (I don't like much lager, but Stella is nice)

Drink in moderation, everyone!

Himmler 18-02-2006 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by a1s+Feb 18 2006, 05:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (a1s @ Feb 18 2006, 05:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-SirPeter@Feb 18 2006, 08:18 PM
Why whould anyone drink Ethanol?
Deathwish?

not exactly. but they proably do it to get away from their everyday lives. [/b][/quote]
i have nothing to get away from :sneaky:

a1s 18-02-2006 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Himmler@Feb 19 2006, 12:04 AM
i have nothing to get away from :sneaky:
there, in your own words- you don't have a life.
QED, gentlemen. LOL

Blood-Pigggy 18-02-2006 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by a1s+Feb 18 2006, 05:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (a1s @ Feb 18 2006, 05:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Himmler@Feb 19 2006, 12:04 AM
i have nothing to get away from :sneaky:
there, in your own words- you don't have a life.
QED, gentlemen. LOL [/b][/quote]
Hey...
Hey...
Shutup!

C2H5OH
Sounds like the stuff that comes out of my nose!

swiss 19-02-2006 09:45 AM

I cum from shermannyy and we haven't discovered this stuff here. so there is no prob for me and I only worry when people from other countries come here. I like to hug and "knuddel" them right away so maybe I get infected once......


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don'T drink and drive - you may hit a bump and spill your drink


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I drink alcohol about twice or threee times a month (meaning more alcohol than the medics would say is actually "good") - so I think I don't have a problem with it. I just hate the days after ............

Iron_Scarecrow 19-02-2006 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by swiss@Feb 19 2006, 09:45 PM
I drink alcohol about twice or threee times a month (meaning more alcohol than the medics would say is actually "good") - so I think I don't have a problem with it. I just hate the days after ............
Yeah they're a real bitch. So I stopped drinking so much when I do drink. I have about 6 beers a whole night. Much more fun and I don't do anything embarrassing.

Nick 19-02-2006 04:42 PM

I stopped drinking alchogol, because it's bad. When I see drunk peolpe, they make me sick, just as I think that I could be like them. Islam forbids alchogol - pity, that there isn't such strict in Christianity.

Master MC 19-02-2006 05:42 PM

It makes great fuel.

Don Andy 19-02-2006 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nick@Feb 19 2006, 06:42 PM
Islam forbids alchogol - pity, that there isn't such strict in Christianity.
Well, if the Christians would forbid alcohol, too, a lot of people would go to hell.
Or Christianity simply wouldn't be a world religion anymore ;)

laiocfar 20-02-2006 03:48 AM

the booze its a legal drug but who can tell the people what is good and what is wrong. Nodody got the right to say alcohol is bad, maybe medics can tell to people the problems related to alcohol and if we are lucky people will listen and will make no mistakes like drive drunken or something similar.

Aristharus 20-02-2006 06:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by swiss@Feb 19 2006, 12:45 PM
I just hate the days after ............
I haven't had a bad hang-over in several months now, no matter how much I drink.
Mwahahah...

Well, actually, it's pretty bad, as it doesn't limit my drinking that much. I could easily go bar hopping in the middle of the week and just feel a bit tired at work the next day. Actually have done that a couple of times in the past weeks, mostly 'cause I've been invited to these large parties with free booze, celebrities and such. I just gotta love having the right connections. :P

Quote:

Denatured ethanol (which I think Kearnsy was referring to) is ethanol with toxic additives such as methanol which are added so that the final product is unsuitable for consumption and, in the US at least, exempt from the "sin tax" on alcohol.
I doubt they'd add methanol in it. That's a bit too toxic even in small amounts. They want to make people who drink it sick, not dead or blind, as probably would happen in the case of methanol.

Iron_Scarecrow 20-02-2006 06:47 AM

Don't doctors recommend a glass of wine every now and then?

Nick 20-02-2006 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Don Andy+Feb 19 2006, 11:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Don Andy @ Feb 19 2006, 11:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Nick@Feb 19 2006, 06:42 PM
Islam forbids alchogol - pity, that there isn't such strict in Christianity.
Well, if the Christians would forbid alcohol, too, a lot of people would go to hell.
Or Christianity simply wouldn't be a world religion anymore ;) [/b][/quote]
Still, Islam is the world religion. Although there is a people mentality and all...

Himmler 20-02-2006 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Iron_Scarecrow@Feb 20 2006, 07:47 AM
Don't doctors recommend a glass of wine every now and then?
every day :D

PrejudiceSucks 20-02-2006 10:05 AM

Yep, everyone should drink 2 units of alcohol every day, but on the other hand, most people find that boring and just drink 14 on a Saturday night, wake up on Sunday saying "never again" and then do it again the following week.

iepeulas 20-02-2006 03:25 PM

Yay E85!!! :Brain:

Hmmm, I'm not allowed to consume ethanol and drive, yet they want my car to drink 170 proof and drive....

I like to consume alcohol, its tasty :drunk: Just don't over do it, and don't drink if you plan on drivin or operating heave machinery.

PrejudiceSucks 20-02-2006 07:46 PM

Yeah, or going back to school. The same thing goes for smoking weed.

Himmler 20-02-2006 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PrejudiceSucks@Feb 20 2006, 08:46 PM
Yeah, or going back to school. The same thing goes for smoking weed.
well i drink at school...it's 6 feet away :D..right next to my school..i got time to drink a beer in a break :bleh:

plix 21-02-2006 05:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Aristharus@Feb 20 2006, 02:06 AM
I doubt they'd add methanol in it. That's a bit too toxic even in small amounts. They want to make people who drink it sick, not dead or blind, as probably would happen in the case of methanol.
They do, and that's the point. If it's consumable, it's taxed and just adding a few things to make someone "a bit sick" defeats the purpose. Ethanol is denatured for use in things such as rubbing alcohol, alcohol-based sanitizers, many aerosol sprays, etc. Look up "denatured ethanol" and you'll see that methanol is a pretty common additive in the process.

It's a bit harsh, and a little off-track, but if you're a Darwinism bulls-eye if you attempt to drink a denatured ethanol rubbing alcohol product in a misguided attempt to get drunk.

Aristharus 21-02-2006 05:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by plix+Feb 21 2006, 08:02 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (plix @ Feb 21 2006, 08:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Aristharus@Feb 20 2006, 02:06 AM
I doubt they'd add methanol in it. That's a bit too toxic even in small amounts. They want to make people who drink it sick, not dead or blind, as probably would happen in the case of methanol.
They do, and that's the point. If it's consumable, it's taxed and just adding a few things to make someone "a bit sick" defeats the purpose. Ethanol is denatured for use in things such as rubbing alcohol, alcohol-based sanitizers, many aerosol sprays, etc. Look up "denatured ethanol" and you'll see that methanol is a pretty common additive in the process.

It's a bit harsh, and a little off-track, but if you're a Darwinism bulls-eye if you attempt to drink a denatured ethanol rubbing alcohol product in a misguided attempt to get drunk. [/b][/quote]
I do know the point of denaturated alcohol, but I myself hadn't heard of them putting methanol in it, though. Of course it may vary from county to country, I suppose. Maybe they don't do it here in Finland, or something.

But still, if they do, anywhere, it has to be a pretty small amount, as only the methanol's vapours are extremely toxic and can make one go blind or something. That's of course the most extreme case, I don't say accidentally smelling an alcohol based cleaning product would make you lose your sight, but surely there is be some smaller damage first.

But I do believe you. I'm at work now, and I'm too busy/lazy/etc. to look it up right now.

a1s 21-02-2006 03:30 PM

just ask Wiki (now you will have to decide if you believe what bored people who get no compenstaion write)
Quote:

There are diverse industrial uses for ethanol, and therefore literally hundreds of recipes for denaturing ethanol. Typical additives are methanol, isopropanol, methyl ethyl ketone, methyl isobutyl ketone, denatonium, and even aviation gasoline.


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