how is it off topic to discuss karma and rebirth? some of us belive in that instead of heaven and hell. and its a view that has been around scince christians were hitting each other with rocks ie: long before christ even got round to being born. and as has been made clear by the people who actually know the bible here is that heaven is a load of catholic dogma, you may as well be krishna freaks if you want an eternall paradise.
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