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[win98]

so i guess OvErLoRd is having a crack at me i mean some people don't post easy to understand posts as well is me

[Dino]

Originally posted by win98@Jun 11 2005, 01:41 AM
so i guess OvErLoRd is having a crack at me i mean some people don't post easy to understand posts as well is me

Let's not turn this into discussion and ruin the topic, too many topics got closed that way.
Win98, I just asked you politely and gave you an advice, yours is to disapprove my remark if you wish.

And now, back to those smoking problems!

[Oogaboogadoogaman]

Erm....guys? I just read through the last couple pages of this topic. I don't like the way you thrust out Indignus. He didn't do anything truly wrong. Allow him back in, he was only trying to help you with smoking. Sure, he's a little weird, but aren't we all a little weird?
And yes, omg, I saw the atrocious things he did to Prejudicesucks. I've been here a lot longer than some of you think. I still think he is only a poor guy looking for some attention. You should treat him nicer.

Thats all I have to say.

Playbahnosh, omg, Good Luck on your smoking habits! k:

[Evad]

I was gonna say something too but decieded to stay outta it. Seeing as the cats outta the bag however, if you look at the last post by "you know who", he really seemed to be helpful and supportive, and the last sentence in the post was him asking about your condition omg, not him poking at you. Try something, you have an impression of the guy, get rid of it and try and read his next few posts objectivly. If he is a kid you have to understand he thinks he knows what he is talking about and is just trying to put his two cents in. Ingenious(i think that's your name). I think you have to aknowledge the fact that you know you offended some people here, say your sorry, and promise to alter your behaviour. Even if you have chosen to do this, I have not read anything public from you stating it so don't expect anyone to read your mind and forgive you. That's my two cents. peace out.

[win98]

omg evad has a point k: k: k: k: :angel: :angel: :angel: :angel:

[Evad]

Originally posted by omg@Jun 10 2005, 05:32 PM
sounds like a good idea. may well try the journal, im certainly going to start a daily post here to let playbanbosh know he aint alone. just smoked my last cigar, and the women has my wallet and will be out of the house all day tommorow, so hopefully i wont have a freind come round, as from tommorow i am going to be the only nonsmoker i know. (excepting the wife)

I highly suggest the reward/punish program as well omg. The basic way we humans work is to seek pleasure, and to avoid pain. In your mind you have associated cigarettes to pleasure and no cigarettes to pain. In fact it is the opposite as we all know. By rewarding yourself for not smoking, and punishing yourself for giving in, you will start to change your belief structure. The only thing is, it is based on honesty. Really if you look at it, the fact that you know you can controll your mind and your urges and your habits will be reward enough. Someone in here mentioned earlier that habits and selfcontrol are related to self esteem, and this is so true. I have a book somewhere(that I still haven't completed), that goes into this. When you exersice self control you feel enpowered, and when you give in your selfesteem drops 'cause you feel out of control. Humans need to feel they are in control. When people are in plane crashes some panic. I read a story about two fighter pilots that ejected from a jet, and got separated. One landed, made a fire, melted some snow for water, ate some of his rations(very important as stress and anxiety effext motabolism) made a signal fire, and then prepaired to wait for rescue. The other guy? He froze to death, still in his parachute in a tree. The guy could have released the harness, he had all the same supplies, they were in exactly the same environment. The only difference between the two is the "survivor" knew he was in control, and the dead guy....well. I think this story illustrates my point. You have to exercise your will power, you have to not be lazy and fall into your urges, you have to question all your thoughts especially when you are in your craving stage. I know this doesn't have to do with just pshycology and that there is an intense physical addiction too, but just remember that your mind will always control your body.
Sorry that I'm posting so much in here, I just grew up around a lot of people addicted to a lot of things, and I can really feel your pain if you are trying to quit anything you think is harmfull to yourselves. I wish you great strength and luck.

[Evad]

Originally posted by win98@Jun 10 2005, 07:48 PM
omg evad has a point k: k: k: k: :angel: :angel: :angel: :angel:

I always have a point, just sometimes it's unfortunately incorrect...)

[win98]

HOW YA GOING WITH NOT SMOKING OMG

[win98]

well i guess omg isn't logged on at da moment

Tell me, whats the point of this message? Especially as its a double one.

[A. J. Raffles]

Sorry to be off-topic yet again, but win98, could you please stop double-posting? There is a reason why you can edit your posts, you know... :whistle:

As for the whole seeking pleasure/avoiding pain thing, evad, that sounds a bit like a simpler version of Epicure to me. But wouldn't that be more or less saying that the smoker himself is incapable of making a deliberate decision to stop? To be honest, I'd like to believe that's not true...