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[BeefontheBone]

I find it hard to accept that several major world religions have similar moral views on things like murder, cheating, and other things society considers crimes, people think they are wrong about everything pertaining to sexuality. How can religions be right in saying that murder, theft, and things like that, but not right in saying that people should wait until they are married?

Maybe because they're based upon the values of society at the time when their texts were written/rules laid down, several hundreds of years ago, and society has moved on since then? Society moves on, but religions have trouble keeping up.

[Danny252]

You seem to have skipped over the parts where I said that adults are more likely to make good choices (or at least carefully planned ones) than developing teens.

Look who made mod. How many people have I upset? 2? 3?
and, it seems this is getting slightly flamey. Im not in a closing mood, but if you want a flame war, this'll close and you can do it elsewhere.

[Blood-Pigggy]

You need to get the big picture, although religions are very diverse, many of their ideals boil down to a lifestyle with virtue.
Although I don't plan to live such a one, and I probably ruined my chances to have a virtuous lifestyle already, they're good ideals to follow.
Calling sex just a "drive" to reproduce is now out-dated.

There's a theory that the human body isn't as adept as that of many animals because evolution took the path of the mind, not the body, if we have now evolved to the point where emotions truly took the course in everything, then there really is LOVE, there really is HATE, and there really is true DESIRE.
Some of our emotions are still basic, we do have a need for violence, but that has dissapated massively since the earlier ages, where massacres were as common as hay in a barn.

Abortion is such a step, it's emotional, if your emotions indicated that it is WRONG, then you will abhor it, you would probably never support anything having to do with it. Your emotions pull together into one big ball to stem your beliefs.
In a anti-abortionist, there might be disgust, confusion, moral conflict in their mind, or simple anger against something that might come from anything to deal with abortion.
There really is no true right or wrong in abortion, some of us believe it is good, to not leave a under age parent having to look after a child she most likely cannot support in the modern world. Others see it as a wrong thing to do, death to an unborn creature, that is still a living being in it's entire form.
If your perception of right and wrong simply stems from your own views, then you will be very narrowminded, the only way to truly see through things is to approach it with indifference, then take out the facts and every single side of the arguement. Only then can you label it as "Morally Incorrect" or "Morally Correct". Yet there will never be a right or wrong, true good or evil.
It's good to debate, good to argue, but anger towards other's views is foolishly narrowminded.

I think abortion is a very small problem in our world, if there are very little abortion each year (which there are) why aren't we paying attention to more important things?

[A. J. Raffles]

Originally posted by Triton@Sep 20 2005, 09:33 PM
Blah blah funny words from a dead language.

What are you talking about? Icelandic is far from being dead.

[Puffin]

Originally posted by Triton+Sep 20 2005, 08:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Triton @ Sep 20 2005, 08:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
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And Triton: All parents say "No sex before marriage?"
Weird. I don't know anybody who has parents that say that.
You see, we're actually not all catholics.

As I said before, the trendies are the ones who bring up religion in moral discussions.

Now, let's pretend that I actually am taking your comment seriously for a minute. I know more parents who are athiest or non-Christian that have daughters well enough to know that they would do everything in their power to prevent their children from having sex. It has nothing to do with religion. I guess once you grow up and stop vamping yourself long enough to have kids and raise them from infancy you will look at them differently than you would some random kids that you don't know.

ALMENN HEGNINGARLÖG

202. gr. Hver sem hefur samr??i e?a önnur kynfer?ismök vi? barn, yngra en 14 ára, skal s?ta fangelsi allt a? 12 árum. Önnur kynfer?isleg áreitni en sú sem greinir í 1. mgr. var?ar fangelsi allt a? 4 árum.
Hver sem me? blekkingum, gjöfum e?a á annan hátt t?lir ungmenni yngra en 18 ára til samr??is e?a annarra kynfer?ismaka skal s?ta fangelsi allt a? 4 árum.
Hver sem grei?ir barni e?a ungmenni yngra en 18 ára endurgjald gegn ?ví a? hafa vi? ?a? samr??i e?a önnur kynfer?ismök skal s?ta fangelsi allt a? 2 árum.

Blah blah funny words from a dead language.
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Okay, then we obviously live in VERY different societies. I know enough of 18 year old girls/boys to know that their parents don't tell them not to have sex. The parents are more concerned about their teenagers have SAFE sex.

My parents love me and all. They don't want me to have children just yet, but they would support me if I'd get pregnant and decide to keep it.
Anyways. When I brought my first boyfriend home, mom had a little talk afterwards, about safe sex and all that. I had NEVER mentioned to her that I was going to have sex with him, but she wanted me to be safe, in case. And that's not just my mom, it's similar with all of my friends.

I don't know a single soul that says "no sex before marriage", except a girl in my school who's from Bronx. But she's fukcedup anyways.
So obviously Americans and Icelanders have different ideas about sex, maybe we're not as surpressed about sex, as 99% of your nation seems to be.




About Icelandic being dead?
It's no more dead than english, doofus. And that comment of yours was absolutely uncalled for.

Now do us a favour and crawl back into your cave.

[Chuck the plant]

Originally posted by A. J. Raffles+Sep 20 2005, 10:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (A. J. Raffles @ Sep 20 2005, 10:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Triton@Sep 20 2005, 09:33 PM
Blah blah funny words from a dead language.

What are you talking about? Icelandic is far from being dead. [/b][/quote]
Just shows his ignorance...

@ Triton:

Why don't you move out of the house at 14 and live on your own while working, paying your bills, and making sure you have enough to eat? It's impossible in the States.

Why would I feel stupid? This has nothing to do with your silly claims that people can only be mature when they're 18, not before. Dig this, I know MANY people that got a job and moved out when they were 16... none of them died, became a prostitue, a drug-addict or something sililiar. In fact, it's not all that uncommon in other countries. "The States" doesn't equal "the whole world". D'oh.

if you don't want to be raped, don't skank yourself out and avoid being alone and take self-defense lessons.

Just a personal word, because there is no way or need to actually "discuss" this unbelievable BS: For this ignorant and idiotic bullsh*t alone I hope YOU get your a$$ torn apart by some crack-addicted bums in the near future. ARE YOU F*CKIN RETARD REALLY IMPLYING, THAT WOMEN WHO GET RAPED "BROUGHT IT UNTO THEMSELVES"???
F*CKIN MAGGOT! I HOPE someone shoves that sh*t right down your throat in a not-so-far-away future... along with your teeth.

Who said my moral system is based only on Christianity?

You ever heard of a generalized "you"? You wanna denie that western culture is based on christian religion and values?

I find it hard to accept that several major world religions have similar moral views on things like murder, cheating, and other things society considers crimes

Ever heard of "common sense"? You don't need religion for that. As for the difference in sexual matters: All the things listed earlier are things that actually have only ONE benefactor and at least one person who suffers. Is that the case with sex? No, it ain't. If it is, it's not called "sex" but RAPE and is a crime of the highest order. Also common sense.

[Puffin]

Triton, I just noticed how old you are. Or should I say how young you are. I honestly expected you to be middle-aged widower or something that sees no point in his life.

But i realized you're just a teenager who's still a virgin because his mom and dad (or whoever it were who raised you) told him to. So you're trying to feel better by convincing yourself, and trying to convince others on the way, that your upbringing and your ideas (that is, your parent's ideas) are the best ones.
But believe me, it won't gain you popularity. On the contrary. You're being a narrowminded pig that can't look outside of the box.

[Blood-Pigggy]

Flaming, stop flaming!
Triton is entitled to whatever he believes, but I too wish he would just cool down a bit.

Originally posted by Puffin
Triton, I just noticed how old you are. Or should I say how young you are. I honestly expected you to be middle-aged widower or something that sees no point in his life.

But i realized you're just a teenager who's still a virgin because his mom and dad (or whoever it were who raised you) told him to. So you're trying to feel better by convincing yourself, and trying to convince others on the way, that your upbringing and your ideas (that is, your parent's ideas) are the best ones.
But believe me, it won't gain you popularity. On the contrary. You're being a narrowminded pig that can't look outside of the box.

Why does my opinion call for me to be flamed? I based my thinking on what makes the most sense, not what is the most popular. My parents never told me not to have sex, I just chose not to because I don't think it makes sense to do so unless there is some sort of commitment. I know I have been a little sarcastic here (about Icelandic), but I have said nothing to warrant flames from anyone.

I hope the Admins choose to intervene and mete out punishment as necessary. I have tried to engage in a serious discussion, and I yet have met with flames and insults because the majority disagree.

[Tom Henrik]

Let's leave the actual decision about abortion to the women. Who are we to say what a woman should do?

If you are in a relationship and expect a child (and the two of you are considering an abortion), then, and only then, is a man entitled to an opinion in the matter. But he should only be there are as an advisor and weight the responsibilities up against the current situations. He should say what he fears about having a baby and what he looks forward to. The final decision lies with the woman, and if the man has any moral at all, he'll stick to her decision and support her actions.