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[Sly]

Who's everyone's favorite fundamentalist on here, LOL

Hey guys I'm back, LOL. I'm not looking towards getting into the creation/evolution debate myself (again) but I'm just posting to share some info.

If you serious people are looking to find more info about the fundamentalist view of a 6,000 year old earth and universe check this site out. There are even video creation vs. evolution debates you can view.

www.drdino.com

Dr. Hovind host's a live creation science hour and a half everyday on truthradio.com from 4:30pm-6:00pm American Central Time Zone.

http://www.truthradio.com/listen.php

Anyone can AOL instant message him with any questions you might have regarding the creation or evolution view during the show. His aol screen name is drdinolive. He also takes live phone calls and reads the e-mails he receives. All atheists and scoffers are welcome to call in or instant message him during the show and you can prove your point.

Every since his ministry started, he's offered $250,000 to anyone who has proof for evolution.

This isn't to say he is without his enemies. There is a ton of anti-hovind websites out there. But it's worth checking out to anyone who wants to hear both sides of the contraversy especially watching the debate videos.

Watch 'em and you be the judge.

Peace bros.

[Havell]

There one thing I've always wondered. How do fundamentalists beleive the Bible came to earth? Did a shaft of light come down and the book floated down from the heavens of did it appear in a cave or something?
Also, what do you think of translation errors in the Bible? the bible used to be in Hebrew but was translated into Latin and then to English many years later, Hebrew is a very difficult language to translate from as there are no vowels so surely some translation errors must have occured, especially as it was translated by humans and humans make make mistakes. Obviously if you are going to take the bible literally down to the last words this throws up some problems, what are your opinions on this?

These are all real questions that I want to know the answers to, can you answer them please?

[Tulac]

Well wasn't the Bible written by Evangelists? At least the New testimony or whatever it's called...

[Stroggy]

I can just speak for the Old Testament:
The old testament is made up out of three parts.
I think the "divine shaft of light" only happened with the 10 commandments.
The Old testament is made up out of three parts: Torah (laws), Neviiem (loosly translated as Prophets, but there aren't really any Prophets in Juda?sm) en ketoevim (scriptures)

All three books are basically the history of the Jewish people and was written by people.
Torah handles the centuries before the creation of the Kingdom of Israel, Neviiem during the times of 'prophets', kings and the eventual splitting of the Kingdom between Nothern Israel and southern Judea.

As for translation, well according to archeological finds it's still the same text as back then.

[Sebatianos]

Originally posted by Indignus IV@Jun 16 2005, 08:28 PM
Lethe is right. Why are we debating something that is stupid, NOT made by real christians, but probably by either "humanists" like Titan or a complete psycho maniac. These articles are not at all representative of the Christian faith, so why are we treating them like they are??? :blink:

Unfortunately most of these articles (even if joke ones) are representative of real christians (not all of them - I hope such people are a minority), but Christian faith did throughout its history demand over and over again for people to stop thinking!

Faith = ignorance
Thinking = question
Questions = answers --> these answeres aren't: It's like this because God wanted it.
That's why people were tortured and killed for thinking (and even worse - speaking their mind).

I'm sorry but that's how it all evolved in the history. I'll be very happy to see that has all changed, but thus far I haven't really seen that. At least not in christian religion (any part of it - although the Ortodox church did start raising questions over 1000 years ago).

[VERTICAL PIG]

Originally posted by R Havell@Jun 16 2005, 08:41 PM
There one thing I've always wondered. How do fundamentalists beleive the Bible came to earth? Did a shaft of light come down and the book floated down from the heavens of did it appear in a cave or something?
Also, what do you think of translation errors in the Bible? the bible used to be in Hebrew but was translated into Latin and then to English many years later, Hebrew is a very difficult language to translate from as there are no vowels so surely some translation errors must have occured, especially as it was translated by humans and humans make make mistakes. Obviously if you are going to take the bible literally down to the last words this throws up some problems, what are your opinions on this?

These are all real questions that I want to know the answers to, can you answer them please?

ummm.. it tells you all this when ya read it its a history written down over time by chosen men. as far as translation few bibles have been translated any more then 5,7 time that i can think of. also as far as errors translating isnt something just wiped up over night, you are right it was and now days sometimes is difficult translating. and saddly 99.9% of the time the point dosent get across simply beacuse one dose no read it. errors have been found very few. but what is an error? many clame ther are many (google) i have read a hug list and i have found none. only that one dose not read a part of it to understand another part of it.

[Indignus IV]

@Sebatianos: yes, Christians have been largely forceful and sin(ish) (is that how you say it?) for the past 2000 years. They would tell people to kill Jews and stuff, blablabla. They were bad.

But see: I'm a christian, but I am NOT catholic. I have never followed what priests or popes tell me to do. They are men. Yes, God tells them what to say, but they often lie and twist facts. I read the bible myself and I understand myself and make my own Christian faith. God is only as you see him. Not as the pope tells you to see him. If you make your own religion, you can be happy. That is also why I don't like atheism. If there is no god, then there is nothing after death. There is only nothingness, a vast nonexistence. Doesnt that bother anyone? Believing that there is a God, believing that there is eternal life after death, believing that there is someone all-powerful watching over you and making sure you never come to harm is at the very least comforting to some people. If you are an atheist, then you truly believe that you are alone in the universe. This can lead to extreme inferiority complexes and insecurity. Now, not all atheists are like this. But many are, and it is as a result of having nothing to believe in or hope for. Nothing to plead to for help. For some of you, maybe that makes you feel more powerful. But to me, it doesnt. And that doesnt mean that I am weak.

[VERTICAL PIG]

Originally posted by Sebatianos+Jun 16 2005, 09:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Sebatianos @ Jun 16 2005, 09:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Indignus IV@Jun 16 2005, 08:28 PM
Lethe is right. Why are we debating something that is stupid, NOT made by real christians, but probably by either "humanists" like Titan or a complete psycho maniac. These articles are not at all representative of the Christian faith, so why are we treating them like they are??? :blink:

Unfortunately most of these articles (even if joke ones) are representative of real christians (not all of them - I hope such people are a minority), but Christian faith did throughout its history demand over and over again for people to stop thinking!

Faith = ignorance
Thinking = question
Questions = answers --> these answeres aren't: It's like this because God wanted it.
That's why people were tortured and killed for thinking (and even worse - speaking their mind).

I'm sorry but that's how it all evolved in the history. I'll be very happy to see that has all changed, but thus far I haven't really seen that. At least not in christian religion (any part of it - although the Ortodox church did start raising questions over 1000 years ago). [/b][/quote]
who and when? there was a time durning the renaissance when both christian and anyone was killed for not complying to the so called faith in god. further back you can read this throughout the bible. guess im asking if you have a particular time in mine.

[VERTICAL PIG]

Originally posted by Indignus IV@Jun 16 2005, 09:25 PM


...But see: I'm a christian,....

id have to say ther is no way i could not dislike jesus he tought everyone to think and wakup, he deffied the laws of tradition and was killed for it by those claming to be of the same faith.

[Indignus IV]

Thank You, VP! I was starting to think everyone here was an atheist. k: