«

[efthimios]

I am so sick of war.
I wish the people could see the exploitation taking place and stop supporting such groups.

The latest thing I heard is that the bomber on the bus was planning to put the bomb in a train but either missed it or something went wrong with the bomb and he tried to get away with it. It doesn't make much of a difference of course.

[Quintopotere]

Originally posted by omg@Jul 16 2005, 12:47 AM
hopefully he will bring me a thai girl.

Well, i'm happy for your friends... and for your thai girl too! k:

[mm_pie]

This war is a war of wills! I am against both sides, George Bush and the terrorists! Where do good british sociallists go! Surely not the Lib Dems! Go George Galloway! Respect! The american evidence was crap! Go Bob Geldof! Will Tony Blair pleas remove his head from george bush's back side and get back friends with the EU! The EU is class! I like the french and all countries that were against the war!

I was nearly on dat train. It wud hav been my way to the hotel if i didn't hav to cancel my booking.

[Tom Henrik]

This attack has proven to me once again how incredibly stupid and careless the men with power are :not_ok:


Now... let's go through the case.

1. Bombs go boom
2. People die.
3. People get hurt.
4. The hurted ones dies.
5. The news tell people that a religious terror organization is behind the attacks.

As any senseable being can tell you the events will give the following impact on the populace.

1. Fear
2. Sorrow
3. Grief
4. Anger
5. A target for all the collected inner turmoil.

Anyone with at least 2 braincells could tell you that this would lead to full blown "counter-attacks" on innocent people, who just happen to believe in the wrong god, or wear a turban. Which, it ofcourse did...

Several muslims have been beaten up, mosks (not sure about the spelling... their churces) have been burned up, their children are afraid of going to school, and so on... but not to worry. The police will protect them NOW. <_<

Jesus... this should be the first thing they did. People will look for scapegoats, and when the media places the blame on a group. EVERYONE who is somewhat connected, will be the target for hatred. The police should've stood guard around the churches from day one, on a 24 hour watch.

What do they think a terror organization fighting for their God will do when their people and churches are being attacked? It will only fuel their campaign.

And just so that all the cards are out... I have big troubles with the whole terrorist idea. Bombing some western citizens will just benefit too many western powerstruggles, while it won't do any terrorists any good (they are still living excellent due to 9/11.) Terrorists aren't out to blow up things and people constantly. That would lead to them being wiped out by a military force. Terrorists are out to make themselves heard once in a while, then be silent until they are forgotten by the general populace. Too much attention, and they will be terminated. Too little attention, and they grow restless.

Believe me, Al Qaida had absolutely NO reason to set off bombs in London. Right now the world is shaking in fear just by someone mentioning the organization or Osama. They don't NEED any more attention.

[PrejudiceSucks]

Yeah, but OTOH I have a theory that Al Quida are made up. My reasoning?

People need a scapegoat and an extremist Muslim group would be the most feared/hated thing in the Western world. People like Blair and Dubya are basically preying on the most stupid/ignorant people and also people of certain faiths that are too devout if you ask me.

This whole 'Islamic Militants' thing is basically a way of converting idiots onto the side of Bush and his chums and also an excellent way to get into territories with plentiful oil supplies - before long it'll be 'Finnish extremist groups have attack an american bus stop' just as an excuse to go to war there.

The only reason that they aren't going to start on Russia again is because Putin is an excellent leader and also has one of the world's best armies.

To be honest, the attacks on Mosques are really a cheap way to try and get Muslims riled enough to do something that would lead to an excuse to kill them all. There are a lot of stupid people in the UK and a lot of them, given the slightest reason, would exterminate anyone who can't trace their British roots back about 5 generations.

I don't see why people are pissed off with immigrants and Muslims, both of those things are good for the UK. We need more people, our birth rate is lower than our death rate, and Islam is a good religion. It's an intellectual religion and sadly a lot of people despise that.

[efthimios]

Dude! What wtf are you talking about? What is this nonsense about british people willing to kill everyone else but just not having the excuse? In my 8 years living (mostly) in the UK, I have experienced some racism (Which exists in every country), but the majority of people are not. Also, even for the minority that is racist, that doesn't mean they also want to kill everyone else. I believe you either have no idea how the mind of a racist works (I do), or you are trolling.
People here do not need a scapegoat. They are angry and upset as anyone would be in such a case, but they are not planning on how to kill muslims.

Al-Qaida exists. In fact it exists for some time now, even before the attacks in the USA. Osama Bin Laden also exists and is the killer that is said to be. He was trained by the best...The thing is that Al-Qaida is not an army, it doesn't even have the organization of say Hamas. There is a core of supporters and financiers, but what they are doing is using other existing groups across the world to "ally" with them to make them look bigger and stronger. Which in a way it succeeds. Even if tomorrow the top say 100 people of Al-Qaida are arrested or killed, Al-Qaida could in theory still continue. Though thinking of the past it would probably lead to the other groups renaming to something else and just continue what they are doing best. That would not mean that Al-Qaida didn't exist, but that they work in the warlord model of the hundrend years war (europe). These people are (even when they have education, wealth) simply barbarians.

Russia having one of the best armies in the world? Not anymore. They have some good equipment, but the whole system is so corrupted and so much under funded that if it wasn't so tragic it would be a great joke. What most people fear of Russia is its nuclear stockpile, not its conventional armed forces. FFS the largest part of the fleet is collecting rust, soldiers are killing themselves, and the little money that should go for maintenance, supplies and R&D goes mostly in pockets of individuals.

[lethe]

Originally posted by efthimios@Jul 17 2005, 11:31 AM
People here do not need a scapegoat.* They are angry and upset as anyone would be in such a case, but they are not planning on how to kill muslims.*

You don't maybe. But for those that need revenge from such actions, Blair & Co. already have a new target. We're left to wonder if the target already existed before the bombings.

Al-Qaida exists.* In fact it exists for some time now, even before the attacks in the USA.* Osama Bin Laden also exists and is the killer that is said to be.* He was trained by the best...

Yes. Bin Laden was indeed trained by the best. By the american.

[omg]

ie: he could still be working for certain elements within there goverment.
i dint think that prej was trolling, in fact im getting quite sick of that word being digged up evry time someone says something that someone else dont agree with.

[lethe]

Originally posted by omg@Jul 17 2005, 04:03 PM
ie: he could still be working for certain elements within there goverment.
i dint think that prej was trolling, in fact im getting quite sick of that word being digged up evry time someone says something that someone else dont agree with.

You can't just write off like that, or this will be another of those "Closed as requested by the FBI" posts. :bleh:

[efthimios]

Originally posted by omg@Jul 17 2005, 04:03 PM
ie: he could still be working for certain elements within there goverment.
i dint think that prej was trolling, in fact im getting quite sick of that word being digged up evry time someone says something that someone else dont agree with.

Perhaps when someone in a thread says that british and american people are stupid, and that in particular the british people are just looking for an excuse anyone how does not have "pure" bloodline of 5 generations is not trolling? Not only that but when someone else says that the first person might be trolling for saying such huge lies, accusing a whole nation of racism and desire to commit genocide, then it is the fault of the second person? I am sorry if the use of the term trolling upsets you, and not the other things that PS said.