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[efthimios]

Gandalf, you can just, not use Vista. XP will continue to be supported by developers for years and years, till the sequel to Vista is out.

I have no plans to get Vista. I dislike the idea of graphic whoring the OS. I like OSes simple and doing what you want them to do. Plus I do not wish to lose resources for doing nothing extra (for me) than what XP can do.

[Playbahnosh]

Originally posted by efthimios@Jan 21 2006, 09:50 PM
...you use it, you have to pay for it... x3

You are a bit closed-minded my friend. Do something for me, try to think outta the box, if only for a second. Try to think globally, to see the wole picture, not just your viewpoint. You will see that the enemy is not me no matter how you insist. The enemy is the progress unfolding out there in the software(and sadly in every single) market.

Look, not I caused Microsoft to release crap. If I had any small chance to interfere with Microsoft OS making program, I would do it. But sadly I have no chance to do that. If I had the knowledge and the funds to write an OS, I would asseble a team and write an OS THAT WORKS! I'm on my way to gather that knowledge right now, leaning programming and computer technology at the University Of Veszprém. But I'm just one drop in the ocean. And you are too dude. What do you think who did write Lunix? Some people thinking similar to me. They fed up with the MS crap and took the matter in their own hands. And why do you think it is free? To fend off the patriotic ownership ideology you were talking about. Lunix is open source. Why? Because this way many people (the end user) can help developing it. Who know better what's the problem with a certain program than the people using it? See, microsoft denies this opportunity because they like windows buggy. They don't want it to be perfect, because they need the market for the next release as the dudes before me explained so clearly.

You say I'm a thief and I stole YOUR money. Why do you say that? I was at your house and I took it or what? Bah, don't be rediculos. Read my earlier posts if you need more explanation.

You say if I use something I must pay for it. You ideology is just stupid. But you said it 3 times so you must think this. I'm sorry if I offend you with this, but if there is some common sense left in you will realise that that sentence is just wrong. Okay, let's think, for the example's sake, that you are right. Okay then, I take the monopoly over air. Now you breathe don't you? Then you must pay me money, say 1$/l from now on. You use air don't you? Then You must pay for it. You don't want to pay of course becouse you think it is unfair if I ask money for something that you use if you want it or not. Or I can say I take the monopoly of the sidewalk. You use it, you walk on it. So you must pay me 1$/m from now on. You are getting angry don't you? See my point?

If that was some incerdibly clear air, and it was scented pine, so it was QUALITY air, I would gladly pay for it. Other people do when they go on holiday to the mountains . But I breathe the same polluted smoke as you do day by day. And if the sidewalk was smooth and it was moving, taking me where I want to go, So it was QUALITY sidewalk, I would gladly pay for it. But I walk the same trashy and grainy sidewalk as you do. This stands for software, more particularly the OS. If I EVER see QUALITY OS, I will buy it, you will be the first to know dude k: But I won't support crap, I cannot emhasise that enough. If you keep supporting Microsoft as it is nowdays, they will sell you the same crap knowing you will gladly, patrioticly buy anything they throw at you. You do of course whatever you want to do, but think about this for a second.

[_r.u.s.s.]

If you keep supporting Microsoft as it is nowdays, they will sell you the same crap knowing you will gladly, patrioticly buy anything they throw at you

and if you dont, you get nothing!

[Playbahnosh]

Originally posted by _r.u.s.s.@Jan 21 2006, 11:56 PM
and if you dont, you get nothing!

You got a point there, but that's not entirely true. Actually, quite the contrary. If we can somehow open the eyes of the people and incite a revolt against crappy software, most importantly crappy OSs (like the one against computer piracy now), possibly more and more people will seize to pay for bullshhh windows. Then Microsoft will have no choice but to rearrange their ideas and finally release some quality software that actually usable, stable ad WORTH BUYING. I'm not talking about bug free and unearthly complete stuff, some minor bugs left unseen are tolerable. But you get my point from my earlier posts, I'm sure....

I'm not an armageddon prophet or something, I won't do anything like that, I just say that if we can somehow MAKE Microsoft to release a good OS, it will be better for all of us.

[_r.u.s.s.]

i dont know, in my opinion they do what they can
at least.. programmers do

[Blood-Pigggy]

OS = good
Dos = bad
I really don't think there's more of an argument as long as we have one leading OS.

[Playbahnosh]

You are right r.u.s.s. I'm sure the programmers are doing the best they can. The problem is Microsoft, not the programmers. The fat executives that are stuffing their pockets, thats the problem. Second, as I see, the lack of organization beetween programmers is the bigger problem. The executives really don't know or don't care about the programming phase of the OS making. Of course you can't program an OS by yourself, so they divide the tasks beetween tons of programmers. This is good, but the lack of organization and teamwork causes programmers working against each other, conflicting codes and doubled-codes make the whole thing wrong. Of course when the time comes, some lead programmers try to salvage some good stuff and put together the whole thing, but in the end, you get Windows XP. Bleh...

[plix]

Originally posted by Playbahnosh+Jan 21 2006, 08:43 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Playbahnosh @ Jan 21 2006, 08:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> But he got an idea. He STOLE the fledling base OS, created Microsoft and released it as Windows before their partners had the time to react. That was Windows 1.0. Of course their partners took the case to court, but the fact that was a top secret project, they had no proof of taking part in it. Bill and his Windows lived happily ever after, the end. Brilliant move. It was nasty and evil, but you have to admit it was genius. And Bill continues to control the market with the same rotten-brilliant attitude. He is unfair and nasty, but he knows his marbles fo' shizzle. [/b]

[For the sake of brevity I truncated the text to which I am responding]

That's a very vague half-truth. You do realize that Apple stole the mouse, the GUI, and the desktop metaphor from Xerox PARC, right? Xerox PARC is responsible for what is quite possibly the majority of all modern computing concepts, and recieves compensation for the usage of nearly none of them. Crediting Apple for those early innovations is no different than crediting Microsoft as both companies stole the ideas from someone else (the entire backstory of the tour of PARC is available elsewhere on the web and I don't feel the need to recount it here).

The fact of the matter is that all three major desktop operating systems are a culumnation of ripoffs. It's the nature of the business.

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XP was the first step away from the inefficient and clunky DOS base, Vista is the second. So I doubt it, except in the form of emulators.[/quote]
Not true, NT was. WinNT was a derivative of OS/2 (which was co-developed by MS and IBM), had no DOS underpinnings, and was developed "from scratch" (in the sense that it was developed independently of Win9x). NT was then used as the foundation of Win2k which was, in turn, the foundation of XP.

As for "DOS-based," Windows 95 and after were so only insofar as you can consider a boot-loader the base of any OS. The DOS support in Win95 and Win98 was pretty poor and it caused some pretty severe headaches for a good number of DOS games.

[efthimios]

Playbahnosh

I am not closed minded, so leave these hippy crap out of my way. It has nothing to do with freedom of thought, it has to do with breaking the law.

BTW, continuing mentioning that you are a student of computing does not make your comments more valid. You see, probably 1/3 of the people here have education or training in the field. Hell, even I went to a university for computing. (University of Plymouth). So, please don't make a dick of yourself.


I never said you cannot use Linux or that Linux is bad. You are saying it because it suits you and to withdraw the attention from the actual crime here. You can use Linux, you can use Workbench if you wish, good for you. If you do not steal any of them great, if you use Windows and not paying them, you are stealing. There is no other way to look at it.

You continue with your lies. I NEVER SAID YOU STOLE MY MONEY. Stop lying.



No, my ideology is not stupid, it is simple economics. You are using exagerated theories about air now? There is no point to see, we are not talking about AIR, we are not talking about oxygen you are breathing. We are not talking about a fundamental right you have on this world. When you were born, the docs did not say, "quick give him a mouse and a copy of an OS". You have no right to use an OS. You have the privilege of using one, and if you want to use one that is being sold, you have to pay for it, or steal it, in the latter, you are stealing.


Quality OS? What a bunch of thieving crap. No, you do not have the right to steal it because it is not of high quality. You do not have the right to steal it because there are better OSes. You do not have the right to steal it because it has almost a monopoly. No matter what you have been taught (school, friends, whatever), you do not have any such right. You are stealing it, no excuses. You are a thief.



Oh, yes, then you go and talk about a revolt against crappy OSes. That's the way to do it, claim that an OS is crappy and needs to be dethrown, then steal it and use it. Funny. Your morality keeps getting better. You want MS to start making better windows? Stop using *dirty word* windows. But not paying and STEALING you are not helping Microsoft make a point. What you do manage (and all like you) are, to make MS use all better protection and DRM. Continuying having a huge base of windows machines, even when some of them are not paid. Remember the following, if you even knew it that is. Back in the 80s and early 90s (some say including the release of W95) Microsoft was looking the other way when people would pirate their OSes and other software and even making it easier for them. Why? To establish a base of users for that software. Of course some of the thieves back then, used the same half behind "smart" comments that you are using about MS and their software. All at the same time doing NOTHING to reduce the amount of PCs with MS software on. Instead they were stealing the software and installing it and being happy that they have screwed the BIG BROTHER, while it was they that were getting sticked up their poop holes.



Closing this post, I will repeat myself on something that you keep missing.
I do NOT support Microsoft or their OS. In fact where ever I can I do not use their products. (media players, www browsers, "office" programs, etc) I am NOT against Linux or even MacOS. BUT, I AM AGAINST stealing and then trying to make it appear like you are doing a favor to the people.

Before you reply to this, read the whole post again, and do not lie again, claiming that I have said things, I never did.

[Playbahnosh]

@plix

thank you plix. As I said it was a while back when I saw that film. I only remembered half of the things there, however the base of the story remained the same. I'm only human, thanks for correcting that mistake k:

@efthimios

I will soon reply to that, don't worry, but I don't have time now. I will edit this post so stay tuned k: