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[Sebatianos]

Well, I know there are the requrements on some gamefaq site, but they aren't exact. I know it says there that if you want her to become a queen you need:
Charisma: 499
Fighting rep: 470
Magic rep: 470
Social rep: 470
Domestic rep: 470

I had all of those, but it didn't work, because they left out the most importaint - refinement 800+

So you're probably missing some other characteristic (how's the morals and how are her maternal skills - they play a slight role - they get hight if you let her work as a baby sitter or as a tutor).

[Auri]

Originally posted by Mongi@Jan 24 2006, 12:53 PM
1. It is very difficult to maintain rep requirements, cuz even in late teenage your daughter starts to run away very often once u make her work in sleazy bar (plus helluva lot of stress). Hence, the difficulties to make her Queen of Darkness.

I remember my Queen of Darkness wasn't too hard to get. I probably did have to save every month and reload a lot. But I do that for any daughter religiously.

I don't think I worked too much in the sleazy bar, really. My Queen of Darkness was more a "go out in the adventure areas, kill things for sin, and then leave early for the rep points." And I made multiple deals with Lucifon which I think made sin go up as well.
It worked really well. The adventures didn't add stress, and you still got money from them. However, so much adventuring does make the game drag much, much longer.

Originally posted by Sebatianosl@Jan 24 2006, 02:33 PM
I know it says there that if you want her to become a queen you need:
Charisma: 499
Fighting rep: 470
Magic rep: 470
Social rep: 470
Domestic rep: 470

I had all of those, but it didn't work, because they left out the most importaint - refinement 800+

Hmmm. Those look familiar to what I've seen for a Queen by Marriage:

Charisma = 499
Fighting Reputation = 370
Magic Reputation = 370
Social Reputation = 421
Housework Reputation = 370


These are what I've found for a Ruling Queen though:

Refinement= 800
Fighting Rep. = 378
Magic Rep. = 378
Social Rep. = 365
Housework Rep. = 350


Those work pretty well; you can see a screen shot of a ruling queen I had one page back.

The thing about the Queen by Marriage... I'm about 90% sure if you've already established an ending marraige, then you aren't going to get one of the social endings (Queen by Marraige included).

Not sure if that was an issue or not, but that's what I've been experiencing. Once I was totally gunning for a Royal Concubine, and I had all the stats, but I had her get engaged to the Dragon Youth, so she ended up being a Homemaker or something. Bah!

Check this out
http://www.t45ol.com/play_us/1862/princess-maker.html

[Ramidel]

Originally posted by Mongi@Jan 24 2006, 12:53 PM
1. It is very difficult to maintain rep requirements, cuz even in late teenage your daughter starts to run away very often once u make her work in sleazy bar (plus helluva lot of stress). Hence, the difficulties to make her Queen of Darkness.

...-why- does nobody know how to manage stress around here?

Hint, hint, hint. Use the ****ing cooking fairies.

[Auri]

Originally posted by Ramidel+Jan 28 2006, 05:29 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ramidel @ Jan 28 2006, 05:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mongi@Jan 24 2006, 12:53 PM
1. It is very difficult to maintain rep requirements, cuz even in late teenage your daughter starts to run away very often once u make her work in sleazy bar (plus helluva lot of stress). Hence, the difficulties to make her Queen of Darkness.

...-why- does nobody know how to manage stress around here?

Hint, hint, hint. Use the ****ing cooking fairies. [/b][/quote]
The downside to that though, is...

If you use them enough, your cooking will go sky high, so unless you're careful, you could get the homemaker career. What do you get from them each time? 30? So... in just 5 visits her cooking skill is higher than any other skill possibly can be, (save art if you visit those faeries and keep the master brushes). And if that's the case, it can seriously mess up your end result.

I doubt it matters as much for the dark careers, since you won't likely be a homemaker with sin 500, but for most other things you have to plan exactly.

I usually avoid cooking fairies at all cost. For most of my daughters, I do house work her whole first year, so that I can get cooking and cleaning up evenly, as well as temperment. By the time my daughter is strong enough to go on adventures, she already has max cooking. I'm more of the art fairy type.

[Ramidel]

Originally posted by Auri+Jan 29 2006, 12:40 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Auri @ Jan 29 2006, 12:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

...-why- does nobody know how to manage stress around here?

Hint, hint, hint. Use the ****ing cooking fairies.

The downside to that though, is...

If you use them enough, your cooking will go sky high, so unless you're careful, you could get the homemaker career. What do you get from them each time? 30? So... in just 5 visits her cooking skill is higher than any other skill possibly can be, (save art if you visit those faeries and keep the master brushes). And if that's the case, it can seriously mess up your end result.

I doubt it matters as much for the dark careers, since you won't likely be a homemaker with sin 500, but for most other things you have to plan exactly.

I usually avoid cooking fairies at all cost. For most of my daughters, I do house work her whole first year, so that I can get cooking and cleaning up evenly, as well as temperment. By the time my daughter is strong enough to go on adventures, she already has max cooking. I'm more of the art fairy type. [/b][/quote]
Actually, I tend to do well (queenly, in fact) with a -very high- cooking skill, because my girl's Cleaning and Temperament suck like...a sinful character after she becomes a common prostitute :angel: In fact, since they do, and since I don't touch the Housework competition with a ten-foot pole, and since she -needs- a good Housework rep...that's why the cooking fairies come in handy.

(Also: I believe (but have not tested scientifically) that the lake cooking fairies give less skill than the forest ones.)

[Auri]

Originally posted by Ramidel@Jan 31 2006, 01:12 AM

Actually, I tend to do well (queenly, in fact) with a -very high- cooking skill, because my girl's Cleaning and Temperament suck like...a sinful character after she becomes a common prostitute :angel: In fact, since they do, and since I don't touch the Housework competition with a ten-foot pole, and since she -needs- a good Housework rep...that's why the cooking fairies come in handy.

(Also: I believe (but have not tested scientifically) that the lake cooking fairies give less skill than the forest ones.)

Ah. Yeah, my general strategy is this:

Go with an AB girl (as they get sensitivity each month), spend all of my money to give her meat the first two or three months (she gets higher constitution and can work three times in a row), and have her do nothing but housework and rest until she's full on cooking, cleaning and temperment. Then babysit the rest of the year.
Once it's time for the festival, I spend all remaining money on dolls, then I almost always get 1st or 2nd in the cooking contest (will reload if I don't. Sometimes it's just sort of random).

The second year is devoted almost entirely to farming, and at the end of it, win cooking contest again (at this point sensitivitly will be way high enough to win it without a problem).

Then the third year is spent farming, learning to fight and adventuring, visiting the art fairies until she's in the 70's or 80s', then do four art classes, get the picture, and win the art festival at the end of the year.

farm, fence, free art points & fighter rep points every month for a year, 0 stress, is pretty sweet.

After that, the years just depend on what I'm looking for.

With my first queen, I think I ended up having her win the cooking contest her last year too, to boost housework rep up high enough.




That's the great thing about this game! There are so many different endings, and so many different strategies that work!

I should try to get a queen playing completely different sometimes. I've gotten too comfortable in my normal method. :P

Wow...this game is awesome. And to think I almost didn't download it because I thought it would be too "girly".

Awesome that this beta managed to get leaked, else I would never have played these games. The language barrier sucks, I won't be able to play any of the others until I learn a really tricky Asian language. Sorta sucks, but hopefully we can wish for complete fan translations if the word about this is spread enough.

Oh, and almost forgot, a bit of related humor: http://solidsharkey.com/pm2.html

Originally posted by Auri+Feb 1 2006, 08:53 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Auri @ Feb 1 2006, 08:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Ramidel@Jan 31 2006, 01:12 AM

Actually, I tend to do well (queenly, in fact) with a -very high- cooking skill, because my girl's Cleaning and Temperament suck like...a sinful character after she becomes a common prostitute :angel: In fact, since they do, and since I don't touch the Housework competition with a ten-foot pole, and since she -needs- a good Housework rep...that's why the cooking fairies come in handy.

(Also: I believe (but have not tested scientifically) that the lake cooking fairies give less skill than the forest ones.)

Ah. Yeah, my general strategy is this:

Go with an AB girl (as they get sensitivity each month), spend all of my money to give her meat the first two or three months (she gets higher constitution and can work three times in a row), and have her do nothing but housework and rest until she's full on cooking, cleaning and temperment. Then babysit the rest of the year.
Once it's time for the festival, I spend all remaining money on dolls, then I almost always get 1st or 2nd in the cooking contest (will reload if I don't. Sometimes it's just sort of random).

The second year is devoted almost entirely to farming, and at the end of it, win cooking contest again (at this point sensitivitly will be way high enough to win it without a problem).

Then the third year is spent farming, learning to fight and adventuring, visiting the art fairies until she's in the 70's or 80s', then do four art classes, get the picture, and win the art festival at the end of the year.

farm, fence, free art points & fighter rep points every month for a year, 0 stress, is pretty sweet.

After that, the years just depend on what I'm looking for.

With my first queen, I think I ended up having her win the cooking contest her last year too, to boost housework rep up high enough.




That's the great thing about this game! There are so many different endings, and so many different strategies that work!

I should try to get a queen playing completely different sometimes. I've gotten too comfortable in my normal method. :P [/b][/quote]
What's the preferred date of birth?

And a related question: Are there any guardians that give a boost to more than one characteristics (when you reach them in the north mountains I mean)?

and a bit . I'm just interested if I am the only guy here who has missing text files (so that the description of different grades of success in careers is unavailable)???