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[Lulu_Jane]

Wow, harsh much The Chosen?

*settles back to watch the never ending debate*

I guess that the old saying is true - "The only constant things in life are, taxes, death and the Return Of Sebastianos debate"

[The Fifth Horseman]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tulac @ Mar 8 2007, 08:01 PM) [snapback]282519[/snapback]</div>

You can't really compare Tiki with this, because his case was totally different, he had passwords to the server and everything, now only a handful of people (maybe only Kosta himself) can delete files on the server, and a small number of people can move around files(in which Sebatianos isn't inluded). And anyway with Sebatianos being on a public forum, he couldn't do any harm even (in a million years) if he would want to.
The worst thing that could happen is a another dispute, but this is already a dispute so meh.[/b]

I do not compare what Tiki did. I do, however, want to point out that Tiki has also been a major contributor to the site for a long time - yet in the end that didn't stop him from intentionally causing damage to Abandonia.

Furthermore, the situation has to be considered not only with regards to Seb and the forum users, but also in regards to what harm can bringing back Seb cause to the integrity of the site - sadly, a lot. From what I know, there were already serious tensions on the subject of the Dissidents' very existence. Bringing Sebatianos back has high chance of causing open conflict among various staff members, and therefore causing harm to Abandonia. From my point of view, one person - no matter how good they are or how much they contributed to the site - is not worth the damage their bringing back can cause.

Furthermore, letting Sebatianos back would open a precedence for bringing any and all of Dissidents back. I seriously doubt it would serve the site's interest to bring back Einherjar, Puffin or any of the others.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(moogle @ Mar 9 2007, 04:35 AM) [snapback]282552[/snapback]</div>

Even if he is helpful and all that (not saying he isn't), the fact that this topic has popped up numerous times already isn't exactly encouraging, seems more like whining (not saying it is that exactly, but hopefully you get the point), if he supposedly *wants* back (which is the main point of this it seems, wether he does or not), why doesn't he just PM the mods / admins / whoever and talk about it... or if he can't why don't you or something (not being accusitive, just don't know the "limits" of a dissident), don't really see the point of all this.[/b]

The Dissidents do have access to PM function.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TheChosen @ Mar 9 2007, 11:32 AM) [snapback]282573[/snapback]</div>

You guys ban persons who got into arguments with you?? Sheez![/b]

They were not banned just for having an argument. They were banned (and later returned as Dissidents) for a number of well-justified reasons. Also, far as I know, Tiki _wanted_ to be a Dissident.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TheChosen @ Mar 9 2007, 11:32 AM) [snapback]282573[/snapback]</div>

People dont flame others withouth a f****** good reason!
If Seb, Anubis or Tiki flamed one of your sorry behind's, because the admin/mod did something bad![/b]

The existence of forum trolls proves that statement false. People have been known to flame others simply for the fact that they don't agree with some minor point of the other's opinion, or even just because they wanted to attack someone.

Also remember that it's Kosta who runs the site - not Seb, Anubis or Tiki.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TheChosen @ Mar 9 2007, 11:32 AM) [snapback]282573[/snapback]</div>

I dont personally know Sebatianos or Anubis, but I know that theyre both good and nice guys. I think they were banned, because the admins/mods dont want to tell the reason of flaming.[/b]

You know one of their faces. I've seen their actions that led to the banning, and believe me when I say it wasn't pretty at all.

[_r.u.s.s.]

i dont think that anybody wanted to flame anybody. they were not trolls.. their opinion was different thatn mods and they didn't like it.

You know one of their faces. I've seen their actions that led to the banning, and believe me when I say it wasn't pretty at all.[/b]

eh?.. what..? what was not pretty? it's normal argument between people. like when 2 forum members have different opinion, EXCEPT that in this case, one of the persons can ban..

From my point of view, one person - no matter how good they are or how much they contributed to the site - is not worth the damage their bringing back can cause.[/b]

see, the only reasons causing "damage" would be people like you, who dont like them on the site. you bring up all the arguments.. Oh, but yeah, lets rather not bring them back so you dont have problem with it and no harm would be done...

[TheChosen]

You know one of their faces. I've seen their actions that led to the banning, and believe me when I say it wasn't pretty at all[/b]

Then perhaps you can answer to this question and end this conversation: What did they do?! What was their "action"??

[The Fifth Horseman]

eh?.. what..? what was not pretty? it's normal argument between people. like when 2 forum members have different opinion, EXCEPT that in this case, one of the persons can ban...[/b]

It was far more drastic than a "normal" argument. The banning was done only with Kosta's approval.

see, the only reasons causing "damage" would be people like you, who dont like them on the site. you bring up all the arguments.. Oh, but yeah, lets rather not bring them back so you dont have problem with it and no harm would be done...[/b]

You don't understand, do you?
Every action causes a reaction. They taught you that in the physics class.
The inevitable negative consequences of Sebatianos' return far outweigh any benefits to the site it might bring.
Individual good cannot be placed before the good of the public.

[_r.u.s.s.]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(the_fifth_horseman @ Mar 9 2007, 03:20 PM) [snapback]282602[/snapback]</div>

It was far more drastic than a "normal" argument. The banning was done only with Kosta's approval.
[/b]

argument grew in to the big sizes cause of mod poweres..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE

see, the only reasons causing "damage" would be people like you, who dont like them on the site. you bring up all the arguments.. Oh, but yeah, lets rather not bring them back so you dont have problem with it and no harm would be done...[/b]

You don't understand, do you?
Every action causes a reaction. They taught you that in the physics class.
The inevitable negative consequences of Sebatianos' return far outweigh any benefits to the site it might bring.
Individual good cannot be placed before the good of the public.
[/b][/quote]
seems you are missing my point, people like you are part of reaction (they taught you reading in english class)

[TheChosen]

Did you just dodged my question horsey??

Now Im getting little suspicious.

[_r.u.s.s.]

if you read the topic, he dodged quite more questions..

[The Fifth Horseman]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TheChosen @ Mar 9 2007, 03:26 PM) [snapback]282604[/snapback]</div>

Did you just dodged my question horsey??

Now Im getting little suspicious.
[/b]

I started writing my post before you posted your question.

Then perhaps you can answer to this question and end this conversation: What did they do?! What was their "action"??[/b]

If you want a direct run-down, it'll take me some time to dig up the respective threads.

Multi-accounts are obvious enough, however. Usually that alone is enough for permabanning the user's IP.
It would not have harmed Sebatianos any to wait for Kosta's decision and mediate remaining on the board rather than cross that line as well, would it?

[_r.u.s.s.]

kosta is always getting back way late and you never know when he s back. and they didnt give him chance to reply,
"It would not have harmed them to listen to his opinion, would it?"..oh wait, it would, there was chance that he could prove his point