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[Doubler]

#2 you can't return games for the PC because of burning[/b]

In most western countries stores are obligated by law to allow you to return goods without questions.

I don't have to buy a graphics card every year or two to play the newest games.[/b]

A much heard argument as to why the PC would be a poor gaming platform is the 'need' to upgrade pc's, which is quite simply a straw man. You can upgrade pc's, if you want to, but there's no need if you want to run new games. My pc is a couple of years old and was only mid-high end when I got it. It still runs Bioshock on its highest settings (save Dx10 features). I've never really had a pc do any worse then that. A decent pc will easily run new games for five or more years after purchasing it without too many concessions. Only after that time would I consider 'needing' to upgrade.
To be honest, I don't think a sensible consumer pays much more for a good gaming pc then he would for a games console. The difference would probably even out when you consider console games tend to be more expensive, and offer less possibilities for extending gameplay.

[velik_m]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Doubler @ Sep 8 2007, 01:55 PM) [snapback]309738[/snapback]</div>

In most western countries stores are obligated by law to allow you to return goods without questions.

A much heard argument as to why the PC would be a poor gaming platform is the 'need' to upgrade pc's, which is quite simply a straw man. You can upgrade pc's, if you want to, but there's no need if you want to run new games. My pc is a couple of years old and was only mid-high end when I got it. It still runs Bioshock on its highest settings (save Dx10 features). I've never really had a pc do any worse then that. A decent pc will easily run new games for five or more years after purchasing it without too many concessions. Only after that time would I consider 'needing' to upgrade.
To be honest, I don't think a sensible consumer pays much more for a good gaming pc then he would for a games console. The difference would probably even out when you consider console games tend to be more expensive, and offer less possibilities for extending gameplay.
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And to add to this - you can't upgrade consoles. You have to buy a new one every couple of years. Ir's the console market that is constantly dying.

[Forfeit]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Eagle of Fire @ Sep 4 2007, 05:34 AM) [snapback]308722[/snapback]</div>

Lately, I've purchased a new game named City Life. If you didn't hear about this game, it's just like a clone of Sim City, but instead of focusing on the city as an administrator, you focus on the city as a humanitarian and must agence everything so the six types of people who can come to your city coexist in peace.

I just can't stop thinking that I should even be insulted to have such a stupid answer served back to me, but then reality settle in... And I just can't pretend here, I'm not really surprised about all this. Not that I think that it's alright or even should happen in PC gaming to have developpers to even think that way... But y'know, I've been so disapointed by several points in PC gaming in those past few years that nothing much surprise me anymore. All I seem to get is a very bland taste in my mouth, memories of the golden age of PC gaming (which seem to have been around the 90's and never got back) and a fatality settling more and more in front of me: I must now be too old to continue to walk the path of the gamer.

Because I can. But have I just became with time too greedy with my gaming that I can't take an original game at the cost of having other parts of the game which are clearly out of date, like I've seen regularly in the past? Or is it really a problem that the producers decided to take out of the way by trying to make other people beleive what they think other people should think?

Truth is... I just don't care anymore...
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Dude, you´re getting older. Adults are suposed to enjoy games, yet, but not as much as kids. When you´re a kid everything is colorfull and impressive, new and enjoyable. After youve been playing years of diferent games, both bad and good, the feeling just die somewhat.

I remember when I used to play a game for hours straight. Now I can barely do for more than 2. And I dont know if that is good or bad, but I just dont feel atached to the games anymore. Do I blame the PC Gaming Industry? Of course not. I just know its a natural process and, nowadays, it takes a VERY good game to grasp my atention. Which is great, because I´m tired of wasting time on crappy games (like I didn when I was a kid).

Now, if you ask me, the games are much BETTER than they were in the past. Just compare the newer games to the ones of the past. Now, they arent as original, but they sure are well developed. But, of course, sometimes our expectations grow far beyond what games can offer us, so we do end disapointed because of that.

And you really cant blame the producers of the games. There are so many apps, addons, programs and stuff like that avaiable that they cant deal with all the variables. When Firefox alone can have tons of addons, sometimes you cant prepare your game for everything.

[chumloofah]

Personally, for something to play games on I resent paying anything over 200 quid, and even that's pushing it.
If you want a pc that's going to last 5 years you'll have to fork out a fair sized heap of loot more than that.
This is why, even though I was happy to buy a PS2, I won't buy number 3.
The finks got greedy and went over the line.
Nintendo's still cool though.

[Blood-Pigggy]

Don't let Tulac hear you saying that :P

[Eagle of Fire]

We'll have to agree to disagree, Demeanor, because I am in disagreement with pretty much all what you just said above.

[12turtle12]

Actually, I think quite a few good points have been brought up.
First, are we talking PC gaming dying physically or spiritually? PC gaming will continue as long as people have PC's - and I guarantee only more and more people will have PC's. The spirit of the games though I really do believe will only get worse until the people that buy the games wake up and say "I WILL NOT BUY CRAPPY GAMES ANY LONGER!" and also hold the game companies or PC companies more responsible for putting requirements on the games. (As I said before - some games that should work don't, and those that SHOULD - don't. Why?) A game does not always have to be "innovative" to be good. It CAN be, but it doesn't make a good game to have an innovation or two.
A store doesn't actually HAVE to have a return policy at all. They just do that for consumer confidence/sales.
In the USA - I bought my computer for just under 800 dollars, my xbox360 elite was only 500 - and they just dropped the price to 450. The games on the 360 would not run or barely on my PC> I have Battle for Middle Earth on 360 that runs almost perfectly, but it will only run at lowest settings on my PC.
and Yes, I am getting older (24) but I think that only means that I am more selective in my choosing of games. Rather than picking for how a game "gets the blood pumping" I choose for quality - Doom 3 was merely a way to get people scared and have them run around blasting things and jumping out of their seats. It was "fun" - but only for a little while. Why can I play the Fallout series over and over again (usually about once a year)? Because not only is the story good, but there is CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT - something that many games do NOT NOT NOT have. Writers KNOW that character development is a key point to a story. Game writers have forgotten this, by and large. THAT will be a key point in reviving the spirit of PC gaming, and gaming in general.

[Falls]

Well, for one there are a bunch of morons programming now. Those who wish destruction on the computer. They program it so BADLY that you have to wonder what is wrong with them. Take Windows Vista as an example. All it is is rehashed XP. In fact it still is technically in beta version. I believe that the best games I have played have been coded in C(which I am inferring is a low level language?). Like the game Noctis(look on Reloaded). It is 1 megabyte and contains a galaxy with explorable planets. PC gaming is only dying because there is too much money being thrown around. Face the facts, programmers make more money if the game is in development, than if it is completed well. Hence all of the patches. It is what is known as an insurance policy.

[STFM]

^ those duke nukem forever boys must be bajillionaires!

[Tulac]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Kingdom Falls @ Sep 10 2007, 02:57 AM) [snapback]309956[/snapback]</div>

Well, for one there are a bunch of morons programming now. Those who wish destruction on the computer. They program it so BADLY that you have to wonder what is wrong with them. Take Windows Vista as an example. All it is is rehashed XP. In fact it still is technically in beta version. I believe that the best games I have played have been coded in C(which I am inferring is a low level language?). Like the game Noctis(look on Reloaded). It is 1 megabyte and contains a galaxy with explorable planets. PC gaming is only dying because there is too much money being thrown around. Face the facts, programmers make more money if the game is in development, than if it is completed well. Hence all of the patches. It is what is known as an insurance policy.
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You got it all wrong. Programmers are being pushed by irrational marketing and release dates set way to early, so many times they deliver a semi product because they don't have the time to develop the game. Why is every Blizzard's game a success? Because they develop games as long as they need to.