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[Talin]

there is First-Person view in Gothic 3, ya know?

[Talin]

other then that there is the Wizardy series, or Wizard & Warriors, although those are party based.

[Scatty]

They're all not like Ultima Underworld series, though, unless you mean the ancient Wizardry 1 through 5 games. Taking it strictly, Ultima Underworld games are Dungeon Crawl RPG's, while Wizardry 6 or 7 are general, outside world RPG's.
Same with Gothic or Elder Scrolls series, they're all general RPG's, but Arx Fatalis is Dungeon Crawling since it's playing strictly "under earth's surface", so it is the same as Ultima Underworld if not for all the rest that makes it a successor.

[Talin]

Originally Posted by Scatty

They're all not like Ultima Underworld series, though, unless you mean the ancient Wizardry 1 through 5 games. Taking it strictly, Ultima Underworld games are Dungeon Crawl RPG's, while Wizardry 6 or 7 are general, outside world RPG's.
Same with Gothic or Elder Scrolls series, they're all general RPG's, but Arx Fatalis is Dungeon Crawling since it's playing strictly "under earth's surface", so it is the same as Ultima Underworld if not for all the rest that makes it a successor.

well those games are very few and very far between. last one like that was Arx Fatalis, as far as i can gather.

[gregor]

Originally Posted by Scatty

They're all not like Ultima Underworld series, though, unless you mean the ancient Wizardry 1 through 5 games. Taking it strictly, Ultima Underworld games are Dungeon Crawl RPG's, while Wizardry 6 or 7 are general, outside world RPG's.
Same with Gothic or Elder Scrolls series, they're all general RPG's, but Arx Fatalis is Dungeon Crawling since it's playing strictly "under earth's surface", so it is the same as Ultima Underworld if not for all the rest that makes it a successor.

technically Ultima Underworld 2 is not under earth's surface - the castle get's covered by a dome... there are many worlds out there (some are even in the sky if i remember - could they be Plains of Oblivion?!?!)

[Scatty]

There are no worlds with open sky, unless you mean the ethereal void, but that's pretty much the only one and there's no sky either. Generally, eventhough storywise it's not underground, it's still all the time "inside" so it can be also considered a Dungeon Crawl game.
Plains of Despair are strictly underground, as people there tell about their world.

[Blood-Pigggy]

Originally Posted by Talin

there is First-Person view in Gothic 3, ya know?

It sucks horribly and is abysmal and DISGUSTING compared to the first two.

[Talin]

but still its first person view.

[Kugerfang]

Originally Posted by Talin

there is First-Person view in Gothic 3, ya know?

FPS = First-Person Shooter.

[Talin]

Originally Posted by Kugerfang

FPS = First-Person Shooter.

thats why i said FIRST-PERSON VIEW and not FIRST-PERSON SHOOTER, cuz i was talking about the view point mode that you can have in Gothic 3 and that is present in the Might and Magic series or Arx Fatalis, which are not FPS games, but more like FPRPGS.
(First-Person Roleplaying Games)