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Well, I'll argue some points, seeming as I can't seem to get the installed application working in Crossover. Probably something to do with it being DOS... and the lowest OS setting for a new bottle is Win 98.

Don't bite my head off with the cold, emotionless "copyright" jargon. This is a forum on the web: don't take it that seriously... I'm not a threat to your website. It was a matter of whether I would be personally wasting my time looking for the thing, rather than waiting for someone to buzz me a URL.

Originally Posted by arete

www.gog.com has an agreement with the original developers and pays them royalties.

Whatever.

Originally Posted by arete

The idea is to keep old games alive and in the market,

Old games are kept alive by a loyal original gamer base: I was playing Settlers II as far back as 1996.

Originally Posted by arete

encouring ongoing support of old titles.

The only support left is to play: spinning out profits from the web from selling 0s and 1s, is worse than taking money from street-alley gambling.

Originally Posted by arete

We don't want these games to disappear forever,

And they won't, as long as the copies kept are restored every once in a while. More copies of old software, keeps it alive via a viral spread.

Originally Posted by arete

and Gog is a good way of preventing that.

If Gog was free, I'd agree.

Originally Posted by arete

We support gog, and we support other non-third party sellers.

Yeah well, you can't include me in that "we."

Originally Posted by arete

Abandonware is not, in fact, legal, but it is a grey area.

Whatever. I never pay for anything that's 0s and 1s anymore, so it's not really a pressing concern. As far as I'm concerned, there have been no consequences in my actions for all the years I've been performing them, and there never will be: the beauty of anonymity and net neutrality, you might figure...

Originally Posted by arete

It's nice that we can help encourage a legal means of making these games available to a new generation.

Nice? The world is not nice, and life is not nice. It's fair and sustainable, with cause and effect, with natural selection causing divergence.

The stupidity to have any moral value in this world that cannot be broken for the exceptions in life, ultimately leads to failure. Nothing is sacred, and any supposing it is, is wrong.

Originally Posted by arete

Copyright on games is the same as on any other medium;

Yeah, it's useless.

Originally Posted by arete

depending on country, it can be between fifty and one hundred years.

So they can charge you more than once: exactly. I paid for the game once, I'd be foolish if I pay for software twice.

Imagine changing from Vinyl to 8 Track to Cassette to CD to MP3 to lossless?

Charging for entertainment is the con: it should be subsidized via tax from the government, and all their wages CAPPED and no ridiculous profits made on it whatsoever, with all developments funded according to what a think-tank decides.

Stupid people with money causes recession, and guess what: entertainment causes stupid people to have money.

Don't give stupid people money, period... even IF they don't have to pay it back.

Originally Posted by arete

So there's really no one who can say, Give us the games now because trying to profit from it after ten years is ridiculous.

Oh yes, there can be: me, and anyone else who chooses to. As I have concluded that throw its own indemnity that it IS ridiculous.

Originally Posted by arete

I'm afraid we have to obey

Obedience is the offset and problematic factor with negative liberty: no one can form any free-thinking, radical opinions, to challenge over-established conventions and far too traditionalized methods.

Originally Posted by arete

the law,

The law is decided by the people, who choose how to be governed. I choose not to be governed by copyright law, and to be governed by the laws of logic.

Originally Posted by arete

or this site will be taken down by ESA (as it almost was in 2004, when Kosta had to protect all supported games in one night or have ESA pull the plug).

Sites being taken down... tut. Where's the fight? Where's the freedom? Where's the ability to prevent anyone from wrecking this, when it's what you consider to become from you?

Well this "ESA "can do nothing about me, because I don't adhere to any consequences.

Originally Posted by arete

EDIT: why not just buy the ten-year anniversary version?

Because I haven't bothered to get it on torrent yet.

Originally Posted by The Fifth Horseman

You are misunderstanding the meaning of Abandonware, buddy,

Hello, Mr. Administrator. I'll pass my salutations to your opinion that you think I'm your buddy.

You see, I tend to jump to rather rational conclusions, when it comes to deluding terminologies. Call me simple, but with the word "abandon" in the title, sounds like I can "adopt" as and when I please.

Originally Posted by The Fifth Horseman

and rather horribly at that.

You can slap as many derogatory modifiers to my subject, but the fact remains that there is no technical misunderstanding here of what abandonware is, merely a contriving leaning towards what it should mean, not what it does, in this case.

Originally Posted by The Fifth Horseman

Attempts to circumvent site policy will not be tolerated.

Blah blah blah. As far as I'm concerned, pushing your buttons is merely circumstantial. I'm not trying to bait you, and nothing is intentionally directed at personally offending the tolerance of anyone here.

Originally Posted by The Fifth Horseman

The fact you're not a registered member does not mean you are above the rules

Your forum, that's fine: but you should at least try to settle this responsibly to rationale. Throwing your weight around because you can, and you feel you should, may ruin your chances of getting prizes that may have long evaded you. Be wise: positively take what you can from these posts.

Originally Posted by The Fifth Horseman

or beyond punishment.

Yeah... well... I think I'm pretty safe. My posts however, are lying on the trap door, sweating away while your finger leans ever closer towards pushing the button.

Originally Posted by The Fifth Horseman

Except if you tried, you'd get shut down by copyright owners pretty soon.

I didn't realize they could get through and shut down a private network on private servers... oh wait, they can't.

Maybe I'm pushing the boat out a bit there, but there's no limit for the amount of havens for peddling downloads, that they would never think about checking for, or at least, even bother to.

Consider this: a service within an anonymous provision: a hub, a file-host: even a service to exploit a file-host's server capacity. Whatever gets shared there is free to be whatever it is.

Originally Posted by The Fifth Horseman

The difference is that GoG has proper distribution licenses from the copyright holders.

That's probably worse... paying for something that shouldn't be paid for, to then make other pay for it. Anyone selling air nowadays?

Originally Posted by The Fifth Horseman

The kind of nonsense that avoids Abandonia getting nuked to hell and back by severely pissed copyright holders.

Any severely "pissed" copyright holders I've encountered, have been more than welcoming when it comes to me offering to be a tester, in exchange that I don't nuke them. You could think of it as sweet-talking my way out of exchanging credit for whatever I don't pay for, that has been charged for... but I like to see it as them having to sweet-talk their way, into giving enough of one to properly test whatever they're peddling.

Originally Posted by The Fifth Horseman

Abandonia is only supposed to provide downloads if there is no legit way of purchasing a legal copy of the software.

Sure, keep your rules. Fine.

Originally Posted by The Fifth Horseman

That is both part of our policy and common sense in regards to the site's self-preservation.

Don't make enemies you can't win against. Fine: advocates your weakness.

Originally Posted by hunvagy

First, read the site AND forum policy,

Ah, another one...

Na, I'm good thanks. I'll waste my time posting instead.

Not to cause any offense in choosing not to, but I prefer to satisfy myself with the little time I have to do so.

Originally Posted by hunvagy

maybe that should clear out your misconceptions.

Don't have any misconceptions, merely disagreements, with a decision and an avenue to poke for something.

Originally Posted by hunvagy

Second AB only provides the downloads until the game is sold again, and since GoG picked it up, it get's a no go and that's it.

Until Gog "disappears?" This site seems to like walking the moral tightrope, with no safety net.

Originally Posted by hunvagy

And none of the site veterans, admins, updaters, etc. will risk the site being shut down,

Risk or opportunity? Yeah, frankly there's little opportunity in keeping me satisfied... then things would become too friendly here. I'm here of no consequence to myself: whatever you do here is a bit more "serious" I guess. So I can understand how you would have the mentality to make such judgments.

Originally Posted by hunvagy

just because YOU think that YOU deserve this game free, because it's old.

Deserve? What an irrationally and originally French word. I think I can have by asking: it's different. If I can't have by asking, then at least I gave that a go, and the next logical step will be to take, which I've done.

Originally Posted by hunvagy

Abandonware is and was PIRACY.

I'm a member of the "Ar!" gang, am I now?

Your label, not mine. Putting it in caps isn't any scarier for me, by the way... but I'm assuming that was for some impact, like the SHOCK of it to make me GASP and feel GUILTY. Na, won't happen.

Originally Posted by hunvagy

No matter how you or anyone else paints it,
it is warez.

And you think there's any consideration for that?

Originally Posted by hunvagy

End of Story. And for the price of a hamburger, you could as well buy the game.

I don't "buy" hamburgers ready-made from fast-food joints. I have the forward-planning to prepare and make all my own food, if I feel that I should have a hamburger, if I so choose to. The last time I was in Mac D's was when I was a little kid, and then it was for some get together or something... wasn't my scene, and I think all I had was a drink of Diet Coke.

While ago mind... photographic memory isn't as sharp as it used to be. So maybe you saw me having that hamburger... not.

Food is a commodity I need. Anything I don't need that I choose to do in this life, should not be committed to the same advocacies and decisions as those things that are needed. Food is one of things I'll suffice to paying for.

I won't pay for electrons passing from one place to the other, with their order being manufactured by the brain of whoever developed the order they're placed in. Screw that: my knowledge and my communication of it, is always free, so everyone else by reciprocity, should also be free. The day I charge someone money for my thoughts, will be the day I pay for them. And that day, will be avoided as long as possible.

Originally Posted by hunvagy

Or as arete pointed out, get the 10th Anniversary Edition.

Don't really fancy seeding the torrent right now.