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[HighProtein]

Rock - Pearl Jam, Santana, 311

Quit listening to the radio kids LOL

[feminista]

HighProtein: Good job for not listening to the radio and all, but it's better to not act elitist unless you can name some bands that are less well known. It looks like you've scratched the surface of punk, or maybe you listen to what people tell you is good, I don't know, but there's a lot more to it than that. The Clash are widely regarded as one of the worst sellouts of punk history, and they pandered to the mainstream crowd much more than most first wave punk bands, hence their popularity. The Ramones are generally poppy, despite playing fasterlouder, and they represented more of a punk interpretation of bubblegum than anything particularly in line with the punk ideal. Bad Religion, also quite popular but regarded by most punk elitists to be fairly limited as far as talent. Myself, I think their lyrics are worthy and interesting, but it is difficult to call them a great band. I usually reserve them to the realm of "good, but nothing amazing". And Pearl Jam? Not so hardcore and indie.

No hard feelings, just don't be overbearing with your assumed musical superiority.

P.S.: I'm completely confused about the renewed interest in Social D. I have the self-titled, and the blatant country influence generally turns me off of it, despite them having catchy tunes. Either way, there has been a great increase in name-dropping thereof, which has left me, frankly, a bit baffled.

[Iron_Scarecrow]

Originally posted by HighProtein@Dec 30 2004, 11:44 PM
(Sadly you kids don't really know what PUNK is.
Hot Topic Mtv pop crap that Sony shoves down your throats isn't PUNK.
Call it Puke if you want to call it anything.
Whiny kids screaming is EMO not PUNK.)

I'd like to know who you were referring to with that?

[Tulac]

Originally posted by Anubis@Dec 23 2004, 02:31 PM
Everything except American country and EX-YU Folk (or so called NOVOKOMPONOVANA MUZIKA).

LOL those two have much in common...

Anyway music that I like is Rock(true rock back from 70's and some modern like white stripes not bands like Maroon 5 - they're more like pop),Punk(Ramones,The Clash,Dead Kennedys and some unknown croatian bands) , and ska with bands like Mad Caddies,King Prawn etc. I don't like when they use electronics with guitars
(like most of nu metal mtv factory bands) other types of music I mostly ignore but I disgust the before mentioned EX-YU and R'n'B.

[edlglide]

Originally posted by HighProtein@Dec 30 2004, 11:44 PM
Rock - Pearl Jam, Santana, 311

Quit listening to the radio kids LOL

You can't really separate bands like this. Punk is essentially a form of rock, so to say these bands are punk and these are rock is silly. Especially since Pearl Jam (at least originally) is probably closer to punk as a grunge band than it is to rock like the old Santana (that new CD that came out a couple of years ago is a bunch of awful poppy muck). And 311 is alternative I suppose, which is very different from original rock as well.

[edlglide]

Originally posted by feminista@Dec 31 2004, 02:56 AM
HighProtein: Good job for not listening to the radio and all, but it's better to not act elitist unless you can name some bands that are less well known. It looks like you've scratched the surface of punk, or maybe you listen to what people tell you is good, I don't know, but there's a lot more to it than that. The Clash are widely regarded as one of the worst sellouts of punk history, and they pandered to the mainstream crowd much more than most first wave punk bands, hence their popularity. The Ramones are generally poppy, despite playing fasterlouder, and they represented more of a punk interpretation of bubblegum than anything particularly in line with the punk ideal. Bad Religion, also quite popular but regarded by most punk elitists to be fairly limited as far as talent. Myself, I think their lyrics are worthy and interesting, but it is difficult to call them a great band. I usually reserve them to the realm of "good, but nothing amazing". And Pearl Jam? Not so hardcore and indie.

No hard feelings, just don't be overbearing with your assumed musical superiority.

P.S.: I'm completely confused about the renewed interest in Social D. I have the self-titled, and the blatant country influence generally turns me off of it, despite them having catchy tunes. Either way, there has been a great increase in name-dropping thereof, which has left me, frankly, a bit baffled.

Also, listening to bands that aren't well-known and don't come on the radio doesn't mean anything. Most bands that ARE well-known are well-known because they were the best bands.............this may not be true as much now, or with a genre like punk -- but people like the Beatles, Led Zeppelin, and the Beach Boys (they are arguably as influential as the Beatles in the history and evolution of rock, but most normal people don't realize that or give them any credit for it.......and it's really Brian Wilson more than the Beach Boys as a whole) were some of the most talented bands of their eras. There were certainly some bands like Love who never became well-known and were very talented, but generally all the famous bands from earlier eras are famous for good reason.

[feminista]

Most bands that ARE well-known are well-known because they were the best bands

I would be careful with saying things like that. It may have been nearly true if one goes all the way back to the Beatles and the Rolling Stones, but it hasn't been true for a very long time, even in the sixties and seventies. The Velvet Underground were largely unknown in their time, and Patti Smith didn't get much recognition until there was a renewed interest in New York proto-punk as people tried to discover the roots of punk.

In fact, one of the precepts of punk music is that mainstream music was ruined when it was turned into a business, and that most mainstream music is a tool of the industry to control the tastes of the masses and therefore sell more products. I stand by this belief, and I think you will find many fans of many different genres that will tell you the same thing. If you are listening only to bands who everyone has heard of, such as the three you named, you probably aren't much of a music fan. It's fine to appreciate some mainstream bands, and I'm sure not too many people are going to try to tell you that Led Zeppelin is horrible (though I don't enjoy them), but saying that bands who are easier name-drops are better is utterly fallacious. Well-known music is whatever the industry decided people would like, that's why we invented independent music, to make good music instead of popular music (or in the case of punk, intense music that had a narrow band of appeal rather than mass appeal).

[Danny252]

my music is the music I like. I like some stuff in different genres (right word?)

[Predator]

I like Aha as one of the groups of the 80th. Songs like "Take on me" and "The Sun always shines on TV" ("Touch me") should be pretty good examples.
Also "Relax" of Frankie Goes to Hollywood is cool.

[Scarface]

Originally posted by Predator@Jan 13 2005, 03:00 PM
I like Aha as one of the groups of the 80th. Songs like "Take on me" and "The Sun always shines on TV" ("Touch me") should be pretty good examples.

"Take on me" is a classic of the 80s
I always liked the video, it was like a comic book