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The only reason why USSR got to Berlin first was because Stalin was in a hurry to beat Britain and America there. As a result, more Russian soldiers were killed in hasty and poorly planned attacks on German positions. America and Britain were trying to get to Berlin to end the war as soon as possible, but they were trying to limit Allied casualties by planning effective attacks on German soldiers.

My God. Don't they teach history in Europe anymore?

[cheesegrater]

Stop complaining about trolling and off-topic. Let the discussion flow.

[xoopx]

Originally posted by Dream+Jan 20 2005, 03:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dream @ Jan 20 2005, 03:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-cheesegrater@Jan 20 2005, 03:21 AM
A u-boat commander once said there is no such a thing as an atheist soldier.

Bush claims to be religious, yet, the he is breaking the most important commandment - do not kill. I do not know how possibly American Christians can buy this hypocracy. Perhaps it's because they are hypocritical themselves.

Er no that is error of translation there is not "thous shall not kill" the jews are deeply offended by it, instead there's something like "thou shall not murder" or something like that stating that killing is sometimes necessary and inevitable. Unless you expect god to send all soldiers to hell... [/b][/quote]
actually people pulled that 'translation' out of their behind. are you a scholar of ancient hebrew and sanskrit? i didnt think so.
its "not kill", by most people's translation

[xoopx]

Originally posted by Dream@Jan 20 2005, 04:06 PM
Saudi arabia does not have nuclear weapons.

so? NEITHER DID IRAQ. you just said usa should invade any dictatorship as far as you're concerned. im sure saudi arabia is on bush's hitlist. NOT

[cheesegrater]

Originally posted by xoopx+Jan 20 2005, 11:08 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (xoopx @ Jan 20 2005, 11:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Er no that is error of translation there is not "thous shall not kill" the jews are deeply offended by it, instead there's something like "thou shall not murder" or something like that stating that killing is sometimes necessary and inevitable. Unless you expect god to send all soldiers to hell...

actually people pulled that 'translation' out of their behind. are you a scholar of ancient hebrew and sanskrit? i didnt think so.
its not kill, by most people's translation [/b][/quote]
So, we are allowed to murder people now?

Well, the Bible makes no sense anyways because they stone people to death in that thing for no apparent reason.

Whatever, is the exact translation - Christians interpret it as "DO NOT KILL". At least Catholics interpet it that way. The vatican is anti-abortion, anti-corporal punishment, anti-war. The Bible is pro-corporal punishment as people are skinned alive all the time.

[xoopx]

i cant see that anything to do with WW2 has anything to do with this thread.
it ended 60 years ago.
america helped save the world from hitler..BUSH didnt. does that mean its ok for them to torture civilians? i dont think so. so lets keep it to this century, please!?

Originally posted by cheesegrater+Jan 20 2005, 11:11 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cheesegrater @ Jan 20 2005, 11:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

actually people pulled that 'translation' out of their behind. are you a scholar of ancient hebrew and sanskrit? i didnt think so.
its not kill, by most people's translation

So, we are allowed to murder people now?

Well, the Bible makes no sense anyways because they stone people to death in that thing for no apparent reason.

Whatever, is the exact translation - Christians interpret it as "DO NOT KILL". [/b][/quote]
It seems you have a limited knowledge of the Bible. If you read the Gospels, Jesus tells his disciples that it is wrong to kill people. Have you not heard the expression "let the one who is without sin cast the first stone?" It was taken from the Bible.

[punch999]

ok so all of you or at lkeast almost all of you are for killing american soldiers so what your also saying is you are 1 for my dad being murdered 2 for some of my freinds brothers or parents to be killed do you understand that these ppl are very nice and most of these ppl dont even want to be in iraq nor do they support bush
saddam hussien was murdering inocent ppl evey day just like hitler and stalin and various other leaders.he needeed to be takin out

so all of you who support the insurgionsy

KISS MY behind!!!!

[xoopx]

Originally posted by punch999@Jan 20 2005, 04:16 PM
ok so all of you or at lkeast almost all of you are for killing american soldiers so what your also saying is you are 1 for my dad being murdered 2 for some of my freinds brothers or parents to be killed do you understand that these ppl are very nice and most of these ppl dont even want to be in iraq nor do they support bush
saddam hussien was murdering inocent ppl evey day just like hitler and stalin and various other leaders.he needeed to be takin out

so all of you who support the insurgionsy

KISS MY behind!!!!

i dont support the insurgency. i dont think the soldiers shouldve been sent there.

side note.. the cost of the iraq was is scary. watch the numbers spin! http://costofwar.com/

Hate the government, not the people.