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[taikara]

@Tom:

Buahahaha.

Healthy imagination you've got there.

Did you ever think that if someone loved you, they might want to go with you? Or wait for you?

Something tells me that despite all the moving, if you found someone you loved, you'd love them no matter where you were.

And after all...

You do have friends. If you move, you don't see them, but you still consider them friends, right? Not to mention Abandonia....

Anyway, the point is... love is a deeper kind of friendship. It doesn't stop just because you don't see the person.

[TheVoid]

Wow, this topic has evolved quite fast :blink:

I'd write my whole bunch of opinions, but I have to say they're pretty much the same as Sebatianos (I often happen to agree with him). I don't think lesbians or gays are something not right. Love within the same sex is a thousand-years-old thing.

Applauses to Tom - his post is awesome

[wormpaul]

What a great post TOM!!! k:

Maybe you can have a girl in each country that you are living... :whistle:

[rainwife]

@Tom - There was no mentioning of you comming to Slovenija?! :angry:
But I can understand Tai's opinion also, although I was in a long distance relationship (long - Hmm, that is relative) and it didn't turn out. And I do understand Tom that if he travells, he doesn't know what expects him, so he doesn't want to tie to anyone...

@Void -Hmmm, I agree with you about you agreeing with Seb - If you know what I mean :whistle: k:

Originally posted by ReamusLQ@Feb 15 2005, 05:16 PM
Male dogs humping eachother...well, dogs also hump chair legs because they are so horny.* How do these animals masturbate?* I thought they do it just to get into the mood/heat.

Just a case of a mistake in a stimulation. When a dog sees a female dog, and certain circumstances are met (time of the year, perhaps attractive object etc.), it feels the urge to do what is "programmed" in them to do in that case. Certain objects have similar effect on their stimulation. Some have smaller effect, and some are even more attractive than a female dog, as funny as that might sound. This is actually the basics of the science of the behavior of the animals, so no need to think that animals "masturbate". To say that is the same as to say that animals can think, play music for pleasure and build houses.

[Sebatianos]

Originally posted by FreeFreddy@Feb 15 2005, 09:05 PM
Just a case of a mistake in a stimulation. When a dog sees a female dog, and certain circumstances are met (time of the year, perhaps attractive object etc.), it feels the urge to do what is "programmed" in them to do in that case. Certain objects have similar effect on their stimulation. Some have smaller effect, and some are even more attractive than a female dog, as funny as that might sound.

So is that a genetic mistake in dogs???
If an animal should get aroused in order to have sex - in order to reproduce - then there should be nothing more attractive then a female of the species! But obviously this is not the case with dogs (and I dare to say other animals too). So why are you saying that homosexuality should be a genetical mistake?
That was your statement from before, that I was trying to prove wrong.

I think it's just a matter of interpreting the facts.

And as for saying that dogs can't build houses, play music,...
That's my point. Humans were animals at one point, but they got above it. We aren't those animals any more. So why should we obey the "programme" of nature? Sex has become a pleasurable activity - and not a way of reproducing.
If you look at all the people having sex (no mater if in a homosexual, heterosexual relationship or an orgy - I don't even want to go into animal abuse that's sex too,) and the amount of children being born, you'll see that the primary function of sex has become - pleasure. That already changed the nature of sex. So for me, there's no difference if two guys do it, or if two girls do it, or if a guy and a girl do it (with contraception). It's all a pleasurable activity that won't produce children. The difference is only superficial.

[ReamusLQ]

My aunt used to own a rooster that thought she was his mate, and he would hiss and try to scare away my uncle, and also hump my aunts leg...is his rooster into beastiality/masturbation/just having a good time? He refused to mate with any hen except my aunt.

Originally posted by Sebatianos@Feb 15 2005, 08:34 PM
So is that a genetic mistake in dogs???
If an animal should get aroused in order to have sex - in order to reproduce - then there should be nothing more attractive then a female of the species! But obviously this is not the case with dogs (and I dare to say other animals too). So why are you saying that homosexuality should be a genetical mistake?
That was your statement from before, that I was trying to prove wrong.

I think it's just a matter of interpreting the facts.

And as for saying that dogs can't build houses, play music,...
That's my point. Humans were animals at one point, but they got above it. We aren't those animals any more. So why should we obey the "programme" of nature? Sex has become a pleasurable activity - and not a way of reproducing.
If you look at all the people having sex (no mater if in a homosexual, heterosexual relationship or an orgy - I don't even want to go into animal abuse that's sex too,) and the amount of children being born, you'll see that the primary function of sex has become - pleasure. That already changed the nature of sex. So for me, there's no difference if two guys do it, or if two girls do it, or if a guy and a girl do it (with contraception). It's all a pleasurable activity that won't produce children. The difference is only superficial.

Would you say that a man would find another man more attractive than a woman? Because it would be quite obvious that a woman is always more attractive than a man, in aesthetical case. In the case of dogs it might be a leg of a human that's shaking and attracts the dog better than a female dog because its attraction works stronger on the dog. But males are less attractive than women, I dare to say? So why are some men more attracted to other men rather than to women? :eeeeeh:

[taikara]

According to Darwin, homosexuality (and actually any sexual attraction to anything but the opposite sex of your species), is a genetic mistake.

Except in the case of some creatures that can asexually reproduce, such as bacteria, or reproduce hermaphroditically, such as worms.

After all, if you don't reproduce, you can't pass on your genes, which leads to extinction of those certain genotypes.

Humans are more than just the sum of our DNA, though. We are something of an incredible anomoly. We can surpass our genetic programming through science, which allows us to reproduce and pass on DNA even if we aren't attracted to the "correct" gender for reproduction, through sperm/egg donation and implantation techniques.

Technically, humans have the ability to be completely above their primordial animalistic roots and give up sex altogether.

[ReamusLQ]

Originally posted by FreeFreddy@Feb 15 2005, 11:45 AM
Would you say that a man would find another man more attractive than a woman? Because it would be quite obvious that a woman is always more attractive than a man, in aesthetical case. In the case of dogs it might be a leg of a human that's shaking and attracts the dog better than a female dog because of that. But males are less attractive than women, I dare to say? So why are some men more attracted to other men rather than to women? :eeeeeh:

But if you look at the rest of the animal kingdom, the Male's are naturally more "beautiful" than the females. Male cardinals have bright red heads, male peacocks have the brilliant plumage, male lions have the mane, male tigers have the darker and broader stripes, roosters have their ***** comb, almost all the bird males have the more vibrant plumage, while the females are more plain. The reason being, is the males have a harder competition for females, so they must look more impressive to win over the mate.
However, even though males, on the majority, are naturally more "beautiful" than females, you never find a homosexual rooster, or bull, or gorilla. I think homosexuality is something humans have created as a society.