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[Yobor]

Originally posted by ReamusLQ@Mar 23 2005, 01:26 AM
but this is not about incest, so let's not get this closed.

On the contrary, this is also the thread about religion, Incest and all.

Also, many of that articles statements are blatantly flase. The Axes shifting is very slow and gradual, only a degree evry few million years. Yes, the magnetic poles shift from time to time, but this has no effect on the Earth's relationship to the sun. Thus, the Axes CANNOT shift instantaneously and make the Ice Caps melt.
Anyway, did you even read the very first post? Seriously, you have to read it before putting up evidence it defeats.


@Iron Scarecrow: Yes by paper I mean Essay.

[Iron_Scarecrow]

Don't you think it's a little short for an essay?

I'm expected to write 4 A4 pages for essays. Or is that just a brief explanation of what you wrote?

[ReamusLQ]

Originally posted by Yobor+Mar 22 2005, 07:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Yobor @ Mar 22 2005, 07:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-ReamusLQ@Mar 23 2005, 01:26 AM
but this is not about incest, so let's not get this closed.

On the contrary, this is also the thread about religion, Incest and all.

Also, many of that articles statements are blatantly flase. The Axes shifting is very slow and gradual, only a degree evry few million years. Yes, the magnetic poles shift from time to time, but this has no effect on the Earth's relationship to the sun. Thus, the Axes CANNOT shift instantaneously and make the Ice Caps melt.
Anyway, did you even read the very first post? Seriously, you have to read it before putting up evidence it defeats.


@Iron Scarecrow: Yes by paper I mean Essay. [/b][/quote]
yes I DID read it first, I'm not a total idiot. I don't see what you are trying to point out. I think some of your points in your essay are too much of a generalization. Almost like the History channel. Instead of looking at ALL the evidence, you just look at what proves your point. In my mind, and from reading that article (and several like it) the flood happened. So maybe the ice caps didn't melt, but that's just a theory of HOW it could have happened. From the myths told by all cultures involving a great flood, and the geological evidence actually states that at one point, the globe was totally flooded by water.

Edit: This is not the religion thread. Look at the title, "THE GREAT FLOOD". If you want to discuss incest in the bible, then start a thread called "Incest in the Bible"

[BeefontheBone]

The earth being totally covered with water was a long time before humanity evolved (we live on the land for a start) - geological events within the last few thousand years are not what that kind of evidence usually points to. You're right about the poles thing yobor. The ais does move around a little, but every once in a while the poles do swap over so that magnetic north becomes south and vice-versa and it is almost instantaneous, but there's no way it could melt any icecaps or anything - all it would do is make compasses point the wrong way and probably confuse a few birds. In fact we're overdue for this happening right now.

[Lizard]

Originally posted by ReamusLQ@Mar 23 2005, 02:26 AM
but this is not about incest, so let's not get this closed.

read THIS

I found it extremely fascinating, and there is a lot of proof in here, clearing up the mixing up of facts many of you have done. I know it's long, but it is really really interesting. Check it out.

Interesting k:
There are a lot of good material there,I will add some facts and proofs from it to my Great Flood topic of my resreach....
Thanks :tnx:

[ReamusLQ]

Originally posted by BeefontheBone@Mar 23 2005, 03:21 AM
The earth being totally covered with water was a long time before humanity evolved (we live on the land for a start) - geological events within the last few thousand years are not what that kind of evidence usually points to. You're right about the poles thing yobor. The ais does move around a little, but every once in a while the poles do swap over so that magnetic north becomes south and vice-versa and it is almost instantaneous, but there's no way it could melt any icecaps or anything - all it would do is make compasses point the wrong way and probably confuse a few birds. In fact we're overdue for this happening right now.

and what about the preserved human (skull I believe it was?) underneath the level where the flood occured? Doesn't that show that humans WERE on the globe at the time? Or the artifacts BELOW that level in the earth?

[Sly]

Don't take this the wrong way man, but I think you need to get your Bible facts straight first before stating what you say the bible says. Hope you still got a good grade on your essay though.

Originally posted by Yobor
First, this myth clearly states that the entire world was flooded and that the only land visible was mountainous peaks.

The Bible says that the highest mountains (at the time period of the flood) were covered by 15 cubits of water Gen 7:20. This is half the height of the ark. The ark was safe from scraping bottom at all times. Noah's ark was built only to float, not to sail anywhere and it did not need to be steered out of the way of any land mass.

The large mountains, as we have them today, did not exist until after the Flood when "the mountains arose and the valleys sank down" (Ps. 104:5-9, Gen. 8:3-8). There is enough water in the oceans right now to cover the earth 8,000 feet deep if the surface of the earth were smooth. The top 3,000 feet of Mt. Everest (from 26,000-29,000 feet) is made up of sedimentary rock packed with seashells and other ocean-dwelling animals. Petrified clams in the closed position (found all over the world) testify to their rapid burial while they were still alive, even on top of Mount Everest.

Originally posted by Yobor
Noah quested to gather two of every species on the planet (of land animals). This would take a lifetime.

Noah did not have to get the animals. God brought them to him (Gen. 6:20, "shall come to thee").

Originally posted by Yobor+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Yobor)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Now, how much water would that take? Quite a lot. Not to mention where it would go or where it would come from. Some give a possible explanation that this is how the icecaps were created; all of the extra water went into them. Now, this would work except if all of the ice melted, the water would only rise a grand total of 230 feet*. Denver is roughly a mile above sea level, or 5280 feet. What is more, the “New” world was not even discovered yet. Also, such a great change in salinity would kill off almost every sea creature.[/b]

I'm actually completely lost on this part. Are you trying to say the icecaps formed from the excess flood waters or that the ice caps melting are what caused the flood waters? If you are trying to prove that the ice caps did not cause the flood, heck, I agree with you. The Bible teaches that before the flood a canopy of water surrounded the earth. This canopy is mentioned in Gen. 1:6&7, Psalms 148:4 and II Peter 3:5.

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a ship of such size could not hold all of the species of animal on board; there is not enough room for all of the food and materials needed.[/quote]

God told Noah to bring two of each kind (seven of some), not of each species or variety. Noah had only two of the dog kind which would include the wolves, coyotes, foxes, mutts, etc. The "kind" grouping is probably closer to our modern family division in taxonomy, and would greatly reduce the number of animals on the ark. Animals have diversified (not evolved) into many varieties in the last 4400 years since the Flood.

Originally posted by Yobor
The size of the ark, as recorded in the bible and translated into feet, is 450 feet long, 75 feet wide, and 45 feet high. According to ship architects, this exceeds by 150 feet the maximum length of a wooden ship. If the length exceeds 300 feet, unavoidable warping and stresses will cause the hull to leak so much that the vessel will sink

Noah's ark was built only to float, not to sail anywhere. Many ark scholars believe that the ark was a "barge" shape, not a pointed "boat" shape. This would greatly increase the cargo capacity. Scoffers have pointed out that the largest sailing ships were less than 300 feet because of the problem of twisting and flexing the boat. These ships had giant masts on them and sails to catch the wind. Noah's ark need neither of those and therefore had far less torsional stress.

Originally posted by Yobor
Lastly, Noah landed on Mount Ararat and was saved. A very large piece of evidence that the Great Flood story is true would be the actual ark on Mount Ararat. However, it has not been found. There is no piece of physical evidence that suggests that the ark was ever on the Mountain

The Bible says the ark landed in the "mountains" of Ararat, not necessarily on the mountain itself.


Once again I'm not picking a fight. I just want The Bible accurately represented and not misleading.

[Lizard]

I just love the bible
People can found proof there for almost EVERYTHING.With proof of alien colony on Eath that created mankind to proof that god want from all people to give all their money to me and commit suicude
I dont agree with catholic, I dont even trust in god, but bible is one of greatests bestsellers ever made.

[DeathDude]

Meh you either believe it or you don't, but good explanation Sly.

[Danny252]

I've heard one explination of this story. That is that the Black sea used to be a massive inland lake. Then, the medditeranean (spelling, I know) burst through into the Black sea raising water levels. and then they told the story and told it and told it...
and then wrote it!