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[Sly]

Originally posted by Evad@Apr 6 2005, 10:12 PM
Who's to Say God didn't create the world with a big banng and evolution anyways, i suppose I started this when I said evolution and big bang doesn't refute creationist thought, wht I meant to say was that I personally don't think they are incompatible. And as for no proof to my opinion, can you offer any proof that it is false?

Hmmm. What about theistic evolution? Couldn't God have used evolution to create the universe?

Well, first that depends on what you mean by "God".

The "god" that would need to use evolution is cruel, wasteful, stupid and deceitful and is not the God of the Bible. It is not in the character of God to use misfits, blind chance, and death as a creative process.

My God gets it right, first time. He doesn't have to practice. "His work is perfect" Deut. 32:4

To say God used the Big Bang/Evolution (or the "Gap" theory between Genesis 1:1-2)....calls God a liar...

1) It violates Genesis 1:5; 2:2-3, Exodus 20:11; Hebrews 4:4

2) Put death before Adam's sin. Violates Romans 5:12; I Corinthians 15:21; This would also nullify the need for the death of Christ.

3) Has Lucifer fall before day 7. Violates Gen 1:31, 2:8; Ezekiel 28:12-15

When did Lucifer fall you ask? Well let's follow this logically and biblically...

1)Everything was created in six days (Ex. 20:11)
2)Lucifer was created (Ez. 28:13,14)
3)Lucifer was in Eden and was perfect until iniquity was found in him (Ez. 28:14)
4)Eden was made on day 6 (Gen. 2:8) It's not logical to say Lucifer fell before the creation because the Garden of Eden hadn't been made yet.
5)Since angels were created to be "ministering spirits" for man (Heb. 1:14, Matt 18:10) why would God create them millions of years before man?
6) The "Sons of God" (which are angels and this would include Lucifer) rejoiced when the foundations of the earth were laid. (Job 38:1-4)
7)The foundations were laid on day 3 (Gen 1:9) So the angels were created on either day 1 or day 2.
8)Everything was very good at the end of day 6 (Gen. 1:31) Everything would not be very good if Lucifer's running around as a bad guy already.
9)Adam was 130 when Seth was born (Gen. 5:3)

Lucifer fell after the creation but at some point before Seth was born.


On a separate note...

To whomever pointed out that the days of creation are supposedly long periods of time, by quoting Psalms 90:4 and/or II Peter 3:8. Notice that both of them say thousand not million, and neither one of those verses are talking about the creation. They're talking about the fact that time doesn't mean anything to God. (i.e. This is not year 2005 in heaven. There is no time there. Remember, God is outside of time, space and matter)

Gen. 1:13,16- The plants were created on the 3rd day, and the Sun was created on the 4th day. If those days are millions of years apart, then those plants are going to have a tough time staying alive until the Sun shows up, don't you think? The insects were created on day 5 (Gen 1:20) and they pollinate the plants. If those days are long periods of time, we've got a real problem here. If its just one day there's no problem at all, but if it's long periods of time we've got a real serious problem.

If the days are long periods of time, then how long was Jesus in the grave? Well 3 days and 3 nights. Oh, you mean 3 million years? No, 3 days. Well how do you know it's days there and not in Genesis?

Ex. 20:11 puts all 7 days as being the same. Scores of other scriptures indicate a 6 day creation. Some would say, there is no closure (evening and morning) to day 7 so it could be millions of years. Well it is very literally a 24 hr day. Many scriptures refer to "the seventh day". The seventh day is symbolic of God's rest, but it was a literal day in Gen 1. Were the Jews to work 6 days then take the rest of their life off?

Does the bible match evolution? They are opposite in every respect.

Bible- Earth before the sun; Evolution- Sun before the Earth
Bible- Oceans before land; Evolution- Land before oceans
Bible- Light before the sun; Evolution- Sun before light
Bible- Land plants first; Evolution- marine life first
Bible- Fruit trees before fish; Evolution- Fish before fruit trees
Bible- Fish before insects; Evolution- Insects before fish
Bible- Marine before land mammals; Evolution- Land mammals before marine
Bible- Birds before reptiles; Evolution- Reptiles before birds
Bible- Atmosphere between two layers of water; Evolution- Atmosphere above water
Bible- Earth before sun and stars; Evolution- Sun and stars before the earth
Bible- man brought death into the world; Evolution- death brought man into the world

Someone is clearly wrong. k:

Evolution and the Big Bang clearly refute Creationist thought. They are not compatible.

[Bergur]

CHECK out a short story called inconstant moon( dunno author i think larry niven) anyway it is about to people and the end of the world and the talk about what might have caused the great flood( good story by the way ) like something about a solar flare and a storm. and that the solar flare( or something to do with the sun ) thing has happened before and that is what caused the flood and what supports the theory is that some of the moons rock have been melted away by the same type of flare or something




its a nice theory but i dont believe it i think that the flood was big to their standards and some other complicated stuff bye this is regarding to teh original post

[BeefontheBone]

Originally posted by Sly@Apr 19 2005, 03:55 AM
Evolution and the Big Bang clearly refute Creationist thought. They are not compatible.

Not that that stops the creationista from twisting 'science' to supprt them and abusing the underlying public misunderstanding/mistrust and ill-education when it comes to science. You only have to look at all the pseudo-scientific adverts on TV for shampoo and cosmetics to see how deep that ignorance runs.

[Iron_Scarecrow]

Does this thread never end? :angry:

[Lizard]

Originally posted by Iron_Scarecrow@Apr 19 2005, 09:36 AM
Does this thread never end?* :angry:

a)NO!!! :bleh:
b)No!! :evil:
C)No Spam
d)Never ! :twisted:
e)It was almost forgotten,before you post here...

[Sly]

Originally posted by BeefontheBone@Apr 19 2005, 03:21 AM
Not that that stops the creationista from twisting 'science' to supprt them and abusing the underlying public misunderstanding/mistrust and ill-education when it comes to science.

LOL

Ernst Haeckel-1874

Proved wrong in 1874 by real science and was convicted of fraud by his own university....and it's still being taught today as fact. Talk about psuedo science. :blink:

[Iron_Scarecrow]

Originally posted by Lizard+Apr 19 2005, 07:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lizard @ Apr 19 2005, 07:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Iron_Scarecrow@Apr 19 2005, 09:36 AM
Does this thread never end?* :angry:

a)NO!!! :bleh:
b)No!! :evil:
C)No Spam
d)Never ! :twisted:
e)It was almost forgotten,before you post here... [/b][/quote]
It was not forgotten as I posted it just after Beefonthebone posted his message before mine.

Hopefully if I can fill this thread with enough spam it will get closed. :Titan:

[Havell]

Originally posted by Iron_Scarecrow@Apr 20 2005, 06:47 AM
Hopefully if I can fill this thread with enough spam it will get closed. :Titan:

Why? i like this disscusion and it's not hurting anyone, if you don't like it don't read it and don't spam in it.

[Iron_Scarecrow]

I've never read it.

[BeefontheBone]

So don't spam in it then.