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[lethe]

Originally posted by Triton@Jul 1 2005, 02:00 AM
Food for thought: assuming that homosexuality IS normal, then why is it that pedofilia, zoofilia, and necrofilia aren't considered normal? One could argue that people could have the same urges homosexuals do, just directed at kids, animals, or corpses.

I agree with Chuck. As long as it's consented, I don't see harm in those. But:

Pedophilia: I don't care how courts consider it, I don't see a 20'ish person engaging with a 16/17 year old as pedophilia. As long as it's consented, the teenager knows what he/she's doing. It's obviously different when someone abuses a 7/8 year old child. They don't have any way of consenting, they hardly know what's happening to them.

Zoophilia: How do you get authorization from an animal? Maybe one of those dogs that are scratching against your leg? LOL

Necrophilia: If the dead person agreed with you before he/she died, go ahead, I don't see that as a crime. Personally I don't find a rotting, smelling corpse very attractive, but tastes are tastes.

[Chuck the plant]

Originally posted by Triton@Jul 1 2005, 02:16 AM
There is one part of the brain that controls bodily functions for us, so that we don't have to think about doing it ourselves. If that wasn't the case, we'd have to constantly remind our hearts to beat, our lungs to breathe, and our bowels to collect waste.

And thus it's a bodily function, not a case of "free will". Your point being...?

Originally posted by Chuck the plant+Jun 30 2005, 10:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Chuck the plant @ Jun 30 2005, 10:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Triton@Jul 1 2005, 02:16 AM
There is one part of the brain that controls bodily functions for us, so that we don't have to think about doing it ourselves.* If that wasn't the case, we'd have to constantly remind our hearts to beat, our lungs to breathe, and our bowels to collect waste.

And thus it's a bodily function, not a case of "free will". Your point being...? [/b][/quote]
When did I say it was a matter of free will? Homosexuality is not a conscious choice, and if it is, it could be considered a perversion.

[Chuck the plant]

Originally posted by Triton@Jul 1 2005, 02:25 AM
When did I say it was a matter of free will? Homosexuality is not a conscious choice, and if it is, it could be considered a perversion.

YOU were the one trying so hard to convince us that it was NOT a physical matter, but a mental one. Now that you admitted yourself that it is INDEED a bodily funtion (therefore physical, NOT mental), I'm just wondering what the point you were trying to make was LOL

Anyway, I'm off to bed now, it's already dawning here and this discussion isn't goin anywhere, anyway.

Originally posted by Chuck the plant+Jun 30 2005, 10:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Chuck the plant @ Jun 30 2005, 10:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Triton@Jul 1 2005, 02:25 AM
When did I say it was a matter of free will?* Homosexuality is not a conscious choice, and if it is, it could be considered a perversion.

YOU were the one trying so hard to convince us that it was NOT a physical matter, but a mental one. Now that you admitted yourself that it is INDEED a bodily funtion (therefore physical, NOT mental), I'm just wondering what the point you were trying to make was LOL [/b][/quote]
No, you misunderstood me. The mind determines what the body needs (food, water, air, sex, etc), and the body carries it out.

[Chuck the plant]

Not "the mind". Those are instincts. Every worm has them. Or would you say that the "thing" which tells a worm that it is hungry is indeed a MIND?

The brain is the central nervous center, and is capable of perceiving whatever goes on around the body. As the central nervous center, it also receives information from the body via the nerves and perceives each piece of information to determine what the body needs the most. If the stomach needs food, it tells the brain.

[Chuck the plant]

And what has this to do with homosexuality being a mental disorder (according to you)?

Originally posted by Chuck the plant@Jun 30 2005, 11:09 PM
And what has this to do with homosexuality being a mental disorder (according to you)?

What organ in the body perceives love?

[Puffin]

I'm not sure how many *sighs* and *geez*'s I've given out while reading through this topic.

I'm not even going to START talking about everything that has been said here.

If you believe in the bible, you can't be gay. It is just a matter of fact and I'm sorry for any religious homosexual catholics out there, but you can't honestly tell me or anyone else differently.

There's this priest I know. His name is Bjarni. He is a priest for the National Church, which is Lutherian. He supports gay people. His cousin is a theologist.He also supports gay people. There are many people amongst the church that do so.
You see, people CAN believe in the bible, without believing everything that says there. In my honest opinion, people that believe every single word are fukced up. They don't understand or see reality as it is.
I used to be pentacostal. They hate gay people. I remember few years ago, I was listening to a speach there, then homosexuality was much in the news and other media, because of some war over rights. I remember listening to that person going on and on about how God hated this people and they would all die and rot in hell. That's when I walked out and never came back. I still know people who are pentacostal, my aunt for example. It makes me sick listening to her screwed up opinions, sour through by the brainwashing of her group.
How can God forgive everything, yet hate homosexuals?

And about Roman-catholic church: They don't always know what's right. Admit it. They do have some ideas that are REALLY out-dated and will never work out.

Homosexuality was a natural thing years ago, you know! In ancient Greece, for example. I'm really tired right now, so I hope you forgive me if I'm not stating correctly, but I believe it was Alexander who ordered all his soldiers to shave their legs. And he was, most probably, gay. Yet he was a great ruler, and his sexuality was never a biggie.

Do you know where the word "lesbian" comes from?
There was/is an island near Greece, called Lesbos. It had a boarding school for girls on it. You can probably guess the rest.

@Triton: Show me a link to an article about homosexuality being a mental disorder, and I might believe you.

Good night.