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[ReamusLQ]

I read up to about page three thoroughly, and then kind of skimmed the rest because some of it was becoming redundant to me, so I apologize if I repeat anything that has already been said.

I am against homosexuality, although I do not hate gays and lesbians. I believe it is wrong, but I have a lot of gay friends (being in theatre and Opera) so I have spent a lot of time with them. A few things have been brought up here that I would like to address from my understanding, and from my talking to many homosexuals.

First, the issue of it being a psychological or physical condition. To be honest, I believe it could be either, although I believe it to be mostly psychological. I have reasons though, so read before you jump. I have a really good friend in my church (he's twenty seven I think) who is a homosexual. In Mormonism, this is looked down upon, but he lives a completely celebate life, and loves the church more than his own desires. He has gone through therapy to try to no longer have these homosexual urges, but they have been unsuccessful. However, once when I was talking to him, he told me he did not always used to be gay. He relayed the story to me of how he was sexually molested by a guy in the locker room when he was fifteen (loving girls, had a girlfriend, etc.), and he "felt" something in side of him change. After that experience, something actually changed inside of him, causing him to have gay tendencies. This could be called a physical condition in some eyes.

However, if you TELL a homosexual there is something physically wrong with them, they will be incredibly offended. Because if there is something PHYSICALLY wrong with them, that means they are a freak of nature. As much as someone born with only one arm, or someone with fetal-alcohol syndrome, or crack babies. If you ask many homosexuals, they will tell you it's their choice, and they have their prefered sex. By saying homosexuality is a physical disorder, you might as well be screaming "FREAK!"

As far as adoption into homosexual couples goes, I believe this is wrong. I have a homosexual aunt. She and her partner decided to adopt a baby, and be like normal parents. Their daughter is one of the most messed up kids I know. She is a few years younger than I am, but she has serious mental issues because of the way she grew up. She is heterosexual, but her entire life she has been taught to accept homosexuality, and has been raised in an atmosphere thick with it. She WANTS to like boys, and she does, but she feels like she is hurting her parents by doing so. She goes to a psychologist every other week or so, and she has been diagnosed as being bi-polar and schizophrenic because of the way she has been raised. At school she talks about her "Mom" and "Holly" because she doesn't have a dad, but her "dad" doesn't want to be called "mom". She doesn't have two moms...she has a mom, and a "holly" (her other "mom's" name) She is very confused, and very messed up, because of the way she was raised.

Also, homosexuality CAN be a psychological issue, because there are many people who have overcome it who have wanted too. Also in my church, there was a homosexual man who really did not want to be. He went through reperative therapy, and it turned out he was turned to homosexuality because he had an abusive mother. After a year or so of reperative therapy, he no longer had these homosexual urges and is a complete heterosexual.

I believe bisexuality is more of a choice, and not a condition. Just because you fool around with both sexes does not make you bisexual. I have a friend who says she has fooled around with girls, simply because she was so horny at the time. I believe bisexuality to be more of a fad now than a condition or a true sexuality. Reason being, because at my school, a group of my friends (seven girls) all decided to be bisexual...on the same day. And this went on for weeks. These seven girls turned bisexual all together, all at once. It has kind of become a "cool" thing and a fad.

Also, one of the things I find most disturbing about homosexuals, is how..."gay" they begin to act. A friend I had in theatre came out of the closet about three years ago. When he first came out, it was like "Ok, your gay...let's go dirt biking!" He was totally cool. However, after a year he started walking with the wrists turned out, and his hips swaying back and forth more and more. A few months after that he started developing that homosexual lisp. His clothes started getting a little more effeminate, and he started to wear light make up. He's never gone full drag, but my friends and I watched him with just...amazement. Even some of my other gay friends who you couldn't tell were gay by looking at him were a little disgusted. That manner of lisping and turned out wrists is a choice. It's like "well, I'm gay, so I better start acting like one." I asked him once why he totally changed his appearance, and he said it made him feel more like a girl. I told him "dude, look around...point to ONE girl you see talking like that, or walking like that." He couldn't name one, and he actually got less and less so. He still flicks his wrists and such, but what is the point?

Another story, but about a lesbian friend of mine this time. Used to be a really cool girl. Wore beautiful dresses, beautiful makeup, beautiful red hair, etc. She was very elegant. She came out of the closet as a lesbian. My friends and I say "ok, you're still cool, I just can never date you now :whistle: " Two weeks later, she has burned all of her dresses, chopped her hair to dyke length, dyed it black, threw out all her makeup, dresses in all guy clothes everyday, and is one of the CRASSEST girls I have ever known.

Why, when people announce they are gay, do they feel the sudden need to change?

Those are my thoughts...as I said, I apologize if there are repeats.

[omg]

Originally posted by ReamusLQ@Jul 1 2005, 09:05 PM
First, the issue of it being a psychological or physical condition.* To be honest, I believe it could be either, although I believe it to be mostly psychological.* I have reasons though, so read before you jump.* I have a really good friend in my church (he's twenty seven I think) who is a homosexual.* In Mormonism, this is looked down upon, but he lives a completely celebate life, and loves the church more than his own desires.* He has gone through therapy to try to no longer have these homosexual urges, but they have been unsuccessful.* However, once when I was talking to him, he told me he did not always used to be gay.* He relayed the story to me of how he was sexually molested by a guy in the locker room when he was fifteen (loving girls, had a girlfriend, etc.), and he "felt" something in side of him change.* After that experience, something actually changed inside of him, causing him to have gay tendencies.* This could be called a physical condition in some eyes.

However, if you TELL a homosexual there is something physically wrong with them, they will be incredibly offended.* Because if there is something PHYSICALLY wrong with them, that means they are a freak of nature.* As much as someone born with only one arm, or someone with fetal-alcohol syndrome, or crack babies.* If you ask many homosexuals, they will tell you it's their choice, and they have their prefered sex.* By saying homosexuality is a physical disorder, you might as well be screaming "FREAK!"

i already ansered this one. in future read the whole damn topic. all i am doing in this topic is repeating myself again and again. and it is getting infurating. gay people have different brains to hetrosexual people. it is a fact that has been held up by more than one official study by scientists. whatever your experiances are you are not a scientist. you have not been slicing open the brians of dead people. they have. and the proof is pretty damn conclusive. it is not a disorder. under technicall classification you could maybe classify it as being a condition. rather than saying they are freaks the data confirms what most of them already feel which is they were born like it, and they have no choice. saying it is only a pshychological condition is not good for them. as pshychological conditions can be cured. if anything the brain thing should give them an advantage as it means homosexuals are products of nature, not of life experiance. its a shame your freind got raped. but it sounds more like the excuse a gay person with shame about it would give there straight freinds.

will put on the link to the earlier post just for the hell of it.
here
is my original post with the links. and i read about this in new scientist first.

[ReamusLQ]

i already ansered this one. in future read the whole damn topic. all i am doing in this topic is repeating myself again and again. and it is getting infurating. gay people have different brains to hetrosexual people. it is a fact that has been held up by more than one official study by scientists. whatever your experiances are you are not a scientist. you have not been slicing open the brians of dead people. they have. and the proof is pretty damn conclusive. it is not a disorder. under technicall classification you could maybe classify it as being a condition. rather than saying they are freaks the data confirms what most of them already feel which is they were born like it, and they have no choice. saying it is only a pshychological condition is not good for them. as pshychological conditions can be cured. if anything the brain thing should give them an advantage as it means homosexuals are products of nature, not of life experiance. its a shame your freind got raped. but it sounds more like the excuse a gay person with shame about it would give there straight freinds.

will put on the link to the earlier post just for the hell of it. [/quote]
so what about those who actually HAVE gone through reperative therapy and are no longer homosexual?

And actually, I did read your topic on how their brains are physically different, but that does not explain how some over come it. Also, if something IS physically wrong with their brain, are there scientist trying to figure out how to fix it? For people born with half a heart, they repair that. They create artificial limbs and organs. There are pills that can be given to change your hormone production. Do they have people working on making homosexual brains "normal"? This goes back to my statement of how telling a homosexual there is something genetically and physically wrong with them an insult.

Edit: Also, is it not possible that their brain is altered and effected differently because of the life style they choose to live? Men that really want to be girls take female horomones. Could that change their brain? Your brain changes and develops based on what you are surrounded with and your actions. For example, I love music. However, I am also very good at writing. But I don't like it, so I don't practice and exercise that portion of my brain as much as music. I volunteered for some demonstation thing at school where they hooked me up to wires and showed my brain on a monitor, and it was pointed out that the portion of my brain that is influenced by music had developed more than the portion that controls writing. They also pointed out that I am probably very good at math, because that portion of the brain controls both music and mathematical abilities.

So my question is, if you scanned one million babies heads at birth to examine their brains, would you be able to tell which were now gay because of the differences in their anterior commissure?

[omg]

why is this a physicall *problem* it is just another difference in the myriad of human life. they are more gifted in certain cognitive processes as well. rather than supressing them we should embrace the diversity that there different way of thinking brings.

as for the reperative therapy that is a load of bs. pure and simple. it so rarely works in the long term it is absalutly bloody pointless.

[ReamusLQ]

read my edit to my previous post.

Also, THIS is a pretty interesting website as well, if you actually take the time to go down and read the entire section (especially on the brains and genes...I'm sure YOU will find that very interesting)

[omg]

its a christian site. so im sure it will back up your bigotry. i only take science from non religios people. science is like the bible. by quoting some studies while ignoring others you can twist it into being what you want. i like my science free from that.

Originally posted by omg@Jul 1 2005, 07:38 PM
its a christian site. so im sure it will back up your bigotry. i only take science from non religios people. science is like the bible. by quoting some studies while ignoring others you can twist it into being what you want. i like my science free from that.

It's funny how you automatically assume secular studies are free of all corruption. How do you know the opposite of what you said isn't true?

Edit: Also take note that my last post here was not a post of defeat, but rather a withdrawal from this thread because I was tired of listening to you parrot off the same things. Don't get too full of yourself.

[Chuck the plant]

Originally posted by Triton@Jul 2 2005, 01:28 AM
Also take note that my last post here was not a post of defeat, but rather a withdrawal from this thread because I was tired of listening to you parrot off the same things.

Of course it was... you won...

[Lonely Vazdru]

WOAH ! I'm new here but a can't believe the sheer amount of crap i'm reading on this topic. I'm straight as an arrow but i don't give a damn what other people do. Remember a word called freedom anyone ? Let them have their way and stick to your bloody business. To think that some of you will probably manage to bang some innocent girl and raise kids is terrifying. I guess i'll stick to the games section in the future.

And by the way, sexuality whether homo or hetero is cool. It's marriage that sucks. :twisted:

[Astral]

I see here all are some sort of experts in psychology an genetic science...

But let me know how many here from you have children ??? How can you talk for something that even you don't know how will be evolved ???

There is some rules in this world lets start from microkosmos to our state of space and even the univers. And this ruls are u cant have two ++ or two -- make "ergo" only +-.

I am out!!!