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Factories are hard to build without money. In your pooled economic theory, for all the lead time between turning the the first shovel full of sod to the initial startup, none of the workers are contributing anything to the pool, yet they must be allowed to continue drawing from the pool, or the factory cannot be built. Even worse, if the factory produces more than can be used locally, there must be some uberpool that all communities can contribute to and draw from, but that extends the freeloader problem.[/b]

I think this is a fault with capitalism, not communism. In a communist system, as Midget is describing, the people building the factory will be working (and so will have access to the pool); whereas, in capitalism, there is no money to be made from building a factory so the people building the factory will either have to be already rich, or willing to go into major debt in order to build the factory.[/b][/quote]

You missed my point. While the factory is being built, the workers are drawing food, water, tools, bricks, mortar, steel, machinery, and anything else needed to support themselves and the construction project. They contribute nothing. An unfinished factory contributes nothing. Midget said nothing about working, he said that those who contribute to the pool can draw from it. The only contributions of the factory during construction are intangible. At the end of each day, the factory builders arrive at the storehouses with empty hands and leave with groceries.[/b][/quote]

The factory builders are producing and contributing, and a factory is most certainly a tangible thing. The pool consists not only of consumer goods but also of means of production. People accessing the pool not only get things like food and furniture but also the things they need for their work, such as raw materials, capital, and land.
Again, I think that there would be more investment in a Communist society, as there is no disincentive to produce factors of production, in that the same benefits are aquired from producing both capital and consuemr goods. As opposed to a capitalist economy, where there is a strong incentive to produce consumer goods over capital.