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[Japo]

Originally Posted by DarthHelmet86

Doom and Wolfenstien had a shareware Episode 1, with the other episodes greyed out in the level select menu. Paying for the game unlocked those levels (wether they were there all along or not I don't know) this makes it feel much more like a demo, a taster of the full game. Games like Commander Keen gave you a .exe that was a whole game for the shareware title, buying the extra games meant getting extra .exes to run the new games.

Seems like a big difference to me, the Doom shareware was a demo of a full game, Commader Keen 1 was a full game, with other games that could be brought to finish the story. But why argue about it here, if there is a game someone wants on the site they can request or offer it and we can decide then if it belongs on the site. Doom 1 is sold, offering the Shareware version will just lead to be people complaining that they didn't get the whole game.

Approving or rejecting a game has never been about which particular updater was online at the moment, and how did he "feel like" about the game.

If it's to be that these games are rejected, OK, but it has to be a definite criterion. About games with expansions, I still think they will catch us pants down, if we don't decide how to handle them. So far we have been deciding on the already abandoned ones on a per case basis, instead of having any rule like for the rest, as we should.

[DarthHelmet86]

Originally Posted by Japo

Approving or rejecting a game has never been about which particular updater was online at the moment, and how did he "feel like" about the game.

If it's to be that these games are rejected, OK, but it has to be a definite criterion. About games with expansions, I still think they will catch us pants down, if we don't decide how to handle them. So far we have been deciding on the already abandoned ones on a per case basis, instead of having any rule like for the rest, as we should.

I wasn't saying hey lets all just do what we want, rather lets not bicker like children over a game that is being sold anyway.

[Japo]

Originally Posted by DarthHelmet86

I wasn't saying hey lets all just do what we want, rather lets not bicker like children over a game that is being sold anyway.

I haven't done so, nor called anyone bickering and childish (really you shouldn't do that at the first glint of disagreement, as a rule of thumb, let alone to people older than you). I figured we could discuss this simple matter without anyone feeling bad about it, even if we don't agree, O_O this isn't politics or religion, chaps.

Originally Posted by TotalAnarchy

Expansions were sold, shareware episodes were not.

Yes, they were.

there's also the fact that abandonware in AB rules implies it was commercially distributed at a time, which shareware was obviously not.

If you mean the additional episodes, you were charged for them. If you mean the initial episode, they were "commercially distributed" as long as that doesn't mean exactly the same as "sold for a sum".

Anyway I'm just trying to make my points, it doesn't mean I feel hard about this, and I'm not going to drag this discussion forever. Myself however I'd be in favor of a poll (first one public, then maybe one for staff, then let the admins decide); we're talking as if this were a positivist philosophic matter, if shareware should be on the site, when it's completely discretionary.

[DarthHelmet86]

Originally Posted by Japo

I haven't done so, nor called anyone bickering and childish (really you shouldn't do that as a rule of thumb, let alone to people older than you). I figured we could discuss this simple matter without anyone feeling bad about it, even if we don't agree, O_O this isn't politics or religion, chaps.

I wasn't meaning you Japo, or anyone in the thread, I was just trying to say instead of us all commenting on this one thread about Doom 1+2 we should be taking it somewhere else, like to the actual requests and offers thread for the games in questio, or to the staff forum if we want to work out what rules we need to obey for the shareware/demo/expansions games. I don't think anyone feels bad.

On the note of Doom/Ultimate Doom if only Ultimate is being sold (I thought they still had a sell link for the orginal version) lets just go with tha one. If we put teh Shareware episode up in the extras though we need to make sure that people understand it isn't Ultimate Doom though.