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[gregor]

Just to comment on my previous post (on start up) - i just wrote what people think about Americans, not my personal feelings or beliefs. i believe that's what the author had in mind when he wanted to know what others think about Americans.

Well another thing is interested that when they did a study asking peopel who they wouldn't want to live nextdoor with here in Slovenia they came to very strange conclusions. The study has shown that most people wouldn't want a Jew to be their neighbour. Ok no this is very, very weird. why the hell wouldn't they want a Jew as their neighbour????

Facts: there are only about 84 Jews (yes 84) in Slovenia (population-arround 2 million). I never even met one (ok except i can guess that Israeli tourist are Jews), but i never talked to one on the street or something...

So where does this hatred come from? The media seems very fair in their coverage of Israel and their problems. so it's not the media. The only other thing left is the catholic church. They shown intollerance to other groups, but it seems that they actually teach people to be intollerant toward Jews (of which only handfull lives here).

@ PrejudiceSucks

this is the main problem why a lot of people don't like USA (ok, their policies).

it's just too much and too obviously two faced. Especially this war on terror. i mean define Terrorist! Are they terrorist or are they fighting for freedom and independece? Were Kosovo Albanians terrorist or just defending their homes&families? I mean we do know some came from Albania, so they weren't defending their homes. Instead they attacked Serbian civilians and the army/police (with heavy weapons steped in). Since they didn't have any place to put "Unlaufull combatants" (whatever that means) in they simply executed them (cheaper for the tax payers who were already living in poverty). anyway suddenly USA acts to protect the "innocent" albanians (who turned out to be not so innocent).

So in this case it was wrong of Serbs to use cannons and planes to bomb terrorists, but it's ok for the US to do this in Iraq. Are those in Iraq terrorist or freedom fighters? i mean they mostly target people who are in any way helping the occupation force or the occupation force itself. so i would say they are not terrorists.

Why is USA such a close ally of Israel? What would happen if they weren't? Aren't the palestinians internal matter? why does USA want to have democracy in countries like Kyrgizistan, China... and doesen't want to have democracy in Saudi Arabia (where the most infamous "democracy" fighter Osama comes from)? There are many countries in which USA is still supporting the despotic regimes, so why not try to change those? It must be because dictators can provide order and order means that oil shipment are regular.

[Stroggy]

Originally posted by Mahar Vairo@Jun 19 2005, 12:22 AM


1. that the non-muslims were to pay a certain tax which was about 5% of a persons earnings(I'm not certain about the amount but it was far less then what taxes are today)

That would be the so-called Dhimmis, then?

[PrejudiceSucks]

Hmmm I would say that a terrorist is a person who wishes to attack an enemy country and does so by demoralizing tactics.

People defending themselves with bombs etc. is not terrorism and anyone who portrays it as suchs is wrong.

[Stroggy]

I see a terrorist as someone who targets civilian targets in order to coerse a government.

EDIT: according to dictionary.com:

The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

[PrejudiceSucks]

Yeah. I would not call the iraqi suicide bombers terrorists as there is almost always an american who gets killed too. Hence you can see that the US are the targets.

That simple.

[Mahar Vairo]

@playbahnosh

It is not that I'm not proud to be a muslim, its just that I'm not proud of what muslim's are today.
Another thing if the prophet and the Sahabah(companions of the prophet) had to see me now I have no idea what they would call me.
In the prophet's time those(man) that did not read Namaaz in the mosque were considered open hypocrites. That is why it is also said that the hypcrites also perform salah in masjid so as not to be exposed.
I don't even perform my namaaz in my home. God forgive me, but I don't know what to do.
It is said that to miss one namaaz is like losing your entire wealth and family, and if I truly believe this in my heart how can I miss it.

@stroggy

That would be the so-called Dhimmis, then?

I'm not certain what it was called, I only remember bits and pieces of what I learnt about that.

@all
Anyone familiar with King Haroon Rashid? He was the King of Baghdad and ruled quite fairly.
In the book Arabian Nights it depicted his character quite well if you ask me.
Wish someone like that ruled iraq now.

And this business about oil reminded me about what the prophet predicted.

It was something like this:
"I do not fear that my followers become poor, rather I fear when the wealth will be at their feet"
It is also mention that prophet said that he would prefer his people to be poor because it is easy for them to turn towards God for help then it is for the rich to be grateful for what God has given them. But wealth is also a test from God.

And lastly sorry for being off topic so much.

[Stroggy]

Originally posted by PrejudiceSucks@Jun 19 2005, 11:32 AM
Yeah. I would not call the iraqi suicide bombers terrorists as there is almost always an american who gets killed too. Hence you can see that the US are the targets.

That simple.

A rather skewed and cold view.

I'm not certain what it was called, I only remember bits and pieces of what I learnt about that.

Dhimmis are people from other (monothe?stic) religions that were granted to live in the Islamic world without converting. However they had to pay special taxes and were not allowed to hold a position of power or build new places of worship or renovate existing places of worship. They also had to wear special clothing and have their ID as dhimmi with them at all times, if they were found without one they were allowed to be killed.

In some places and times the laws against dhimmis were more flexible (like for example in Al-Andalus/Spain when the less fundamentalist rulers were in power)

[Mahar Vairo]

Thanks, I never knew that.
I should really do some research and learn more about my religion.

[Playbahnosh]

As I see here, the islam would be a great religion, if those brutal zealots wouldn't ruin everything by misunderstanding the Koran or anyting, and start to blow up people with suicide bombs and starting rebellions against every non-islam people <_<
I don't believe in religion myself, becouse if somebody wants to believe in a higher power, he/she should do it by his/her own will and not forced to by some religion. And if somebod wants to worship this great power, that shoud be done the way someone sees fit by heart, not the way someone said it must be done There are same things in all the religions written codex, such as God gave us the privilege of free will, and God's first law is to "don't kill". It no matter how is that god named, God, Allah, Sheewa or anything. What matters is the ideology behind them. The aim is, that people should get along with each other, and live peacefully. And definetly not to kill each other in the name of some religion <_< As I think, religion is not a must or a way that all people should live and think, and not to make what the Bible, the Koran or any holy book says letter-by-letter. I think this is just a guideline to help people get along with each other. The Bible's only aim, as Jesus said to make people BELIEVE. But as I see, not in God or the angels and such, but believe in themselfs, to belive they can create a better life here on Earth. When Jesus said, that the holy world should come to earth after the day of apocalipse, I think he meaned that when people finally get along after the the last world war, the era of peace shall come...
Some people misunderstood the Bible by believing that that holy country is some mysterious unearthly space far away, and making this whole religion to believe that this is only a mysterios holy higher thing, a life on a higher plane that cannot be archived here on earth. Quite the opposite as I think, the world of peace and harmony shall be done right here, when people finally give up their mysticism and see things as they are. The religions holy books are written in methaphores and riddles for people to decode and understand them for real, but some brainwashed zealots just understand it letter-by-letter, and that's wrong...

[PrejudiceSucks]

@ Play

Actually, in pretty much every religion it is said that the god in charge doesn't mind killing if there's a war on.

@Stroggy

It's not a cold or skewed view, it's just the truth.